PETE ROSE
 

But according to The Dowd Report he bet on the Reds to win every game that they played (almost, during the time period that was documented, Dowd found only one occasion where the Reds played but Rose chose not to place a wager on the game)... if wanting the team you manage to win every game it plays is bad and self-interested then every manager (well, hopefully all of them) is guilty of that.

I also seem to recall that his gambling wasn't entirely profitable -- in other words, the guy made some shit bets a lot of the time.

Punish a piss-poor gambler who bet on his own team to win every night and lost his fucking shirt? Rose may be a moron at times, but I don't think he ever intended to tarnish the "golden" image of baseball (Hi Darryl Strawberry!!) and they should let him in because his stats bear it out.

p.s. I think "Shoeless" Joe Jackson was railroaded....that poor illiterate fuck. He played that Series to win (look at the stats). Just because he knew about the fix should not have set him up for an eternity in banned from baseball hell.

The Apprentice
 

man pleaser!


[I thought someone else would take a swing, but here I am stuck with the meatball again]

Observations on a Friday Afternoon
 

Whats a Traney?

The Apprentice
 

In Philly, it's worth 50 bucks.

Thurgreed(burn my fingahs, man)Marshall

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

OK, so I need to switch jobs? I was thinking of somehting more like a vente cup of caffeine or more managemable than the months long event of getting a new gig.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

The only thing worse than having people talk about you is having them talk about not you. No, wait, I got it: The only thing worse than having people talk about you is Not Me.

Or something like that.

Am listening to the music of someone named Beth Orton. Like it, and don't know anything about her. Is anyone here a fan? The friend who lent it to me is, but she's a little scary. (The friend, not Beth, though she may be scary too.)

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

Here's the money question:

Do you hate your life anywhere near as much as Sebby hates his?

Observations on a Friday Afternoon
 

It's a tranny for people who can't spell

The Apprentice
 

Mmmmmmmm, meatballs.

PETE ROSE
 

So he didn't bet against them... That's only one part of the issue. He put himself in a bad situation ripe for extortion.

Say his bookie is mob-connected (or the people he reports to are) and say the Reds aren't doing so hot and Pete's into them for, say a couple hundred grand and is having trouble paying...

What's to stop those guys from saying to Pete that he has two choices: 1) Do what you can to tank some games for the Reds (put in bad lineups, leave pitchers out too long or on short rest, etc., granted it's not foolproof but he can influence the outcome) or 2) We put you in the hospital or where no one will ever find you...

While he apparently never got in that situation, he shouldn't have allowed himself to be ANYWHERE CLOSE to that situation. That threatens the integrity of the game. That's the point.

PETE ROSE
 

Exhibit 2: Ray Fosse. He ruined his career.

That said, on statistics alone, Rose belongs.

PETE ROSE
 

Oh, come on. He didn't bet on them every days. So there were some days he was, in essence, betting against them. And it also means that there were some days where he had more of an incentive to win than others, so he plays/pitches guys on the high-bet days, when they should rest, and then doesn't play them other days.

the only way to even plausibly make the argument is if he had committed at the outset to bet the same amount on the reds for every game, every day, and couldn't change. once he's picking and choosing his days, he's saying some games matter and others are throw-aways.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

I like Beth Orton, although I'm hardly a scholar of her music

All it takes is Argyle?
 

Is Emmylou on the album you're listening to?

All it takes is Argyle?
 

You can lead a horse to drink, but you cannot make it fall off the wagon.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

I thought it was, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't paint it pink, 'cuz that would be a horse of a different color?

(Mine makes as much sense as yours, even in context.)

All it takes is Argyle?
 

No song by that name, nor did Emmylou (sp?) Harris appear on it. It's called Pass In Time:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

All it takes is Argyle?
 

She needs to get a massage to get those shoulders down from around her ears.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

That's Art that's weighing her head down.

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

I thought Sebby loved his life. He drinks the booze to keep the meows of the unawakened cats at the bar stifled. His wife has a great ass and tits that are a B or a C. He wilns cases while putting words in people's mouths and saying shit that most of the room knows is mainly correct and he is surrounded by hot paralegals and court reporters in diaphenous blouses.

I dont gtet a life hating thing from Sebby. Exdept when he does his monthly bit on going to law school and falling into this gig that he is such a master at that is kind of a drag.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

LOOK, I obviously did not see your post before I posted mine.

I think it is an open question as to who was being less subtle with their post - you or me. Or perhaps we can live in a win-win world, where we were both being sublimely subtle.

I understand your concerns in the abstract. I just do not think they are implicated here. You are being a bit of an alarmist. Settle down. It is Friday afternoon. You are hours away from a martini. Make that a vodka martini.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

In that case, she needs to start treating Art like shit so that he will dump her. Because it would be bad karma to dump him, and with that eyeliner she doesn't need any more bad karma.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

Ah. If you decide you enjoy her, look for her 2002 album, Daybreaker. It's even better. (ELH is on one song on that one.)

PETE ROSE
 

But has anyone ever produced any evidence that he did in fact tamper with the team in that manner? I recall players from that time stating in interviews that they did not believe that was the case (no cites, just memory). I know what he did was wrong but he was such a moron that he didn't use his position to impact his bets --

Anyway, give me a break -- I was caught off guard with his whole "I admit I bet on baseball" book thingy and now I have to come up with an argument besides "Pete says he didn't do it and I believe him." Give me time.

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

C'mon - the whole "this job sux, somebody find me a new career where I don't have to whore myself and hide from my salemen buds" thing is too subtle?

All it takes is Argyle?
 

I can see how that would happen. He seems pretty heavy.

http://www.artgarfunkel.com/images.gallery/rose.JPG

PETE ROSE
 

Did you hear Joe Morgan's comments on it? Link here. I agree that Pete does not seem to be truly sorry for what he did.

I too am old enough to remember Charlie Hustle in his playing days. Back then I thought he was an egotistical jerk. I still do. He could have delayed his book release and interview a week or two so that the publicity would not overshadow the HoF announcement. But, noooooooooooo! Fucking bastard.

Hey, Pete, get a clue. You bet on baseball. You lied about it. You broke the rules. Stop whining and get over it already. Accept the fact that you fucked up and move on.

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

I thought he liked whoring himself bc he wants to be a money cat? I know he cant knock over liquor bottles with his dick or jack off fifteen times a day,. but i thought he loved money?

PETE ROSE
 

I had a football coach who was the spitting image of Rose, and acted exactly the same way, too.

Still hate them both.

All it takes is Argyle?
 

Minutes. And it will be a very fine Bordeaux. But, points taken. See you next week.

PETE ROSE
 

Maybe if Pete had been upfront and honest he wouldn't be in this mess now. In fact maybe this mess is far bigger just becuase he chose to lie about it and now no one trusts anything he says.

Not sure I have a point here. But I am nothing if not subtle.

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

Yeah, but he wants to be able to knock over the REALLY expensive bottles, not just the cheap shit, and he doesn't make enough for that, plus he's discouraged because his clients just keep setting up more cheap bottles in front of him and sticking ones - ONES! - down his pants while he performs. His friends get, like, tens and twenties.

PETE ROSE
 

why should they? the rule bans gambling because it's presumed to have that potential effect.

And, besides, my recollection is that, while not in the Dowd report, at least one of the bookies he dealt with asserted that he never bet on days when Mario Soto was pitching. That's inside information of some sort, and also suggests his betting was influenced by knowledge of team.

Now, sure, someone probably should go back and take the 461 incidents, and see what the Reds' record was in those games. And then see what their record was in the other games (assuming he wasn't betting on those), to see if the record was different (statistically significant). But I don't think it really changes what he did. At best that proves that he was even more incompetent than we thought.

Sure. But let me prep you for something: OJ did it. Please adjust to that before he admits it in a book.

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

I've heard that for money it is likely that he could jack off 10 times a day though. and who would be so bold as to ask for than that from him?

PETE ROSE
 

I understand. We here at we come up with arguments for every occasion are happy to help you. We offer for your examination several arguments that you might try in this difficult, difficult situation.

And really, we empathize with you that your denial has been disrupted. We hope we will be able to assist you in finding it again.

1. Pete was addicted to gambling. We recognize these days that addictions are very difficult to overcome. Instead of punishing him we should realize that we should have been helping him in his time of need. Actually, if you think about it, we should reward him for being such an effective player and manager despite this addiction. This is what America is all about. Moving past one's own difficulties to be the best you can be.

Bravo Pete. Bravo.

2. Pete is really just misunderstood. Here is a man who gave his life to the game. It was all he could think about. So much so that he felt the need to gamble on it to feed his obsession.

Sure, he made some mistakes, but look at all the pleasure he has given to so many people over the years. And after all, is he really as bad as Ty, that racist so and so? Of course not. We should recognize Pete for his contribution to the game, and as a flawed human being. We should reward the former, and dismiss the latter. After all, you should remove the log from your eye before you pull the splinter out of someone else, if you know what I am saying.

3. Pete was just doing what people do. Can you really penalize him for betting when so many other people did? Come on, what harm did he do. He didn't even bet against his own team. The guy's practically a hero! He could have used his position to his advantage, but he didn't. He even lost some money. How can you penalize him for that?

Sure he did some bad stuff, but hey, who didn't?


We rest our case.

PETE ROSE
 

Are you calling TF's husband an adulterer?

PETE ROSE
 

arghhh. Why does everyone hate the Buffalo Bills so much? The conspiracy to frame him was arranged by ESPN not the LAPD.

Observations on a Friday Afternoon
 

Thank you. You are wise beyond your girth. I hope Donald Trump doesn't fire you.

How I learned to stop procrastinating and love the law
 

whatever happened to his BlowJob Experiment in Vegas? I bet he could make bank selling tix to taht. And str8 could buy em all up and charge double! Really screw the diehard Sebheads. Its win win. Maybe Cooters could cater?

All it takes is Argyle?
 

And judging by the title of her album, she seems to have a history with kidney stones.