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SlaveNoMore 07-08-2004 06:32 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of which, I think you owe me a beer for this bet.
I'll gladly buy you that Chimay all the more since you now deem my repeated recollections of Al's outbursts as "media attention"

not7y("why won't the media stop harping on that Carnahan incident")S

Sidd Finch 07-08-2004 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
I think he understands that part about "state action." The first amendment doesn't allow you to stay in a private event if the owenr's of the building or those who are renting the building ask you to leave. If I wear a t-shirt to the mall and the mall owners don't like what my t-shirt says and they ask me to leave and I don't, the first amendment doesn't protect me. Get it now?

Either read the article, read the posts about the article, or just shut up and show us your fake tits. "The event was paid for with state and federal funds." It was not a private event.


Get it now? (I typed extra slow just to help you out.)

Not Me 07-08-2004 06:34 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Ahh, hooker with the heart of gold! Just like Pretty Woman!
I don't have a heart of gold. My hubby is extremely intelligent, makes me laugh and has a hot body. And he pays for me. What's not to love about a guy like that?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-08-2004 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It wasn't a campaign event, and it was paid for with federal and state money. Moreover, the ticket conditions didn't say anything about what shirts you can wear.

eta: Sorry -- too quick on the trigger.
Busted.

Time-place-manner restrictions. Why is it unreasonable to assume that persons who are wearing such t-shirts are a) likely to be protesters and b) likely to disrupt the event particularly in light of their refusal to leave when asked by authorities to do so? Should they have first been asked to remove their t-shirts?

Do you like to joke about bombs in the xray line at the airport?

Say_hello_for_me 07-08-2004 06:36 PM

Iraq insurrection Big? Bigger? Biggest? Biggestester?
 
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...q_insurgency_2

Interesting article on Yahoo about the size of the insurrection and how its being fought. If this is accurate, then I'm about ready for Americans to leave too. If its just nationalism, then it sounds sorta like what I'd hope a lot of Americans would do if the roles were reversed. Well, and if the Iraqis were dragging their feet on allowing us to have elections etc....

Regarding how to fight an insurgency, please note the penultimate paragraph. You heard that thinking here first. 9 months ago. You wanna track people? Make em carry id cards and build giant databases.

Hello

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-08-2004 06:37 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Not Me
I don't have a heart of gold. My hubby is extremely intelligent, makes me laugh and has a hot body. And he pays for me. What's not to love about a guy like that?
$2000 a/k/a 1/1000 of the fund. Final offer.

Not Me 07-08-2004 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Either read the article, read the posts about the article,
This is a joke, right?

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
or just shut up and show us your fake tits.
Why would I ever do that? What is in it for me?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-08-2004 06:37 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Not Me
I don't have a heart of gold. My hubby is extremely intelligent, makes me laugh and has a hot body. And he pays for me. What's not to love about a guy like that?
His taste in women.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-08-2004 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
I think he understands that part about "state action." The first amendment doesn't allow you to stay in a private event if the owenr's of the building or those who are renting the building ask you to leave. If I wear a t-shirt to the mall and the mall owners don't like what my t-shirt says and they ask me to leave and I don't, the first amendment doesn't protect me. Get it now?
Burger was smart enough to go back to read the stuff I linked, which makes clear that this was a public event, paid for with government dollars. You, on the other hand, are not.

sgtclub 07-08-2004 06:38 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Not Me
I hit the nail on the head and you know it.

Sorry hun but you can't afford me. You can't even afford to eat out. Anyhow, I am taken. BTW - the fact that I expect my husband to pay for everything doesn't mean I don't love him. It is just one of the reasons I do love him.
So much for all that feminist chatter . . .

Not Me 07-08-2004 06:39 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
$2000 a/k/a 1/1000 of the fund. Final offer.
Don't insult me.

[confidential to Coltrane]I think if you get her drunk, Fringey will do it for free. Perhaps even in the ass. She has to be at least as attractive as the trailer park inhabitants that you pick up in bars.[/confidential to Coltrane]

Tyrone Slothrop 07-08-2004 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Busted.

Time-place-manner restrictions. Why is it unreasonable to assume that persons who are wearing such t-shirts are a) likely to be protesters and b) likely to disrupt the event particularly in light of their refusal to leave when asked by authorities to do so? Should they have first been asked to remove their t-shirts?

Do you like to joke about bombs in the xray line at the airport?
It was content-based, and nothing to do with time, place or manner. Your test bootstraps the former. And it's pretty silly to say that anyone who refuses to change their clothes upon law enforcement demand can thereby be deemed likely to violate the law.

ltl/fb 07-08-2004 06:42 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Not Me
Don't insult me.

[confidential to Coltrane]I think if you get her drunk, Fringey will do it for free. Perhaps even in the ass. She has to be at least as attractive as the trailer park inhabitants that you pick up in bars.[/confidential to Coltrane]
Colty doesn't have to get me drunk. He just needs to bring a nubile young Amish boy for us to share.

Gattigap 07-08-2004 06:47 PM

Someone explain why we have all of those terror threat levels if we don't use them?
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
* The Armpit Of The Nation
Hey, screw you, pal.

No, wait. [consider possible venues]

Yeah, yeah. Screw you, pal!

Atticus Grinch 07-08-2004 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Busted.

Time-place-manner restrictions. Why is it unreasonable to assume that persons who are wearing such t-shirts are a) likely to be protesters and b) likely to disrupt the event particularly in light of their refusal to leave when asked by authorities to do so? Should they have first been asked to remove their t-shirts?

Do you like to joke about bombs in the xray line at the airport?
Yeesh. There's a good reason the right never got a reputation as guardians of non-economic civil liberties. All minority-view speech has the potential to incite disorder. That's why the Supreme Court has effectively neutered most anti-incitement laws, because they repeatedly got used to suppress legitimate dissent by focusing on the likely response from the mob.

Your 1st Amendment arguments remind me of the KKK guy on "Reno 911." "That's not a cross. That's a 'T' for 'tolerance.'"

Sidd Finch 07-08-2004 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Your 1st Amendment arguments remind me of the KKK guy on "Reno 911." "That's not a cross. That's a 'T' for 'tolerance.'"

Finally, a reference from Atticus that is within my cultural grasp. Fuckin' A.

SlaveNoMore 07-08-2004 06:50 PM

Kerryesque
 
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Not Me
Why would I ever do that? What is in it for me?
You might actually get some of the people on this Board to think you're a chick.

Or not.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-08-2004 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Yeesh. There's a good reason the right never got a reputation as guardians of non-economic civil liberties.
Burger's not on the right. He's just having fun trying the argument on for size.

Sidd Finch 07-08-2004 06:52 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
$2000 a/k/a 1/1000 of the fund. Final offer.

You have a $2 million trust fund?

You got anyone you need sued?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-08-2004 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It was content-based, and nothing to do with time, place or manner. Your test bootstraps the former. And it's pretty silly to say that anyone who refuses to change their clothes upon law enforcement demand can thereby be deemed likely to violate the law.
You're assuming it's a public forum. The fact that it was ticketed suggested that it was not entirely public.

But I think the disconnect here is because of something different. Although nominally not a "campaign" event, presumably that's essentially what it was. WTF would Bush be at a podunk building to mingle with the public otherwise? And is it feasible to separate the two activities (campaigning vs. being president) in a coherent manner?

Anyway, when you become President, and eat dinner in the White House, I'll send Rush over to visit then.

In the meantime, send a letter to Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-WV), Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-WV), or Gov. Bob Wise (D), all of whom presumably have a little more control over the W.V. Capitol Police, who were the ones who asked the putative protestors to move or leave.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-08-2004 06:57 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You have a $2 million trust fund?
No, my fake persona that's fucking with the guy who thinks he's a chick does.

ltl/fb 07-08-2004 06:58 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You have a $2 million trust fund?

You got anyone you need sued?
He prefers to administer lawyerly ass-fuckings personally.

Or so I hear.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-08-2004 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You're assuming it's a public forum. The fact that it was ticketed suggested that it was not entirely public.
Whether or not it was a public forum, it was a government actor, and a content-based restriction. And Bush was making a presidential visit. If you think it was essentially a campaign event, why were tax dollars paying for it? They're only supposed to pay Pakistanis to help his campaign.

And I didn't say the White House made the call here. I just said it was wrong.

Not Me 07-08-2004 07:00 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
So much for all that feminist chatter . . .
The day there is no more glass ceiling and no more sexual double standard is the day I change my ways. You guys should just think of it as the price you have to pay for the other advantages you have in life.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-08-2004 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


And I didn't say the White House made the call here. I just said it was wrong.
If they started yelling, still wrong?

Gattigap 07-08-2004 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
By the way how could an ambassador's wife be an effective undercover agent?
You haven't read a single Le Carre novel, have you?

Good God, man. Your knowledge of Gilligan is encyclopedic, and you miss this shit?

Hank Chinaski 07-08-2004 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
In the meantime, send a letter to Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-WV), Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-WV), or Gov. Bob Wise (D), all of whom presumably have a little more control over the W.V. Capitol Police, who were the ones who asked the putative protestors to move or leave.
and have the guy fired (Mr. Rank) fired.

sgtclub 07-08-2004 07:05 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Not Me
The day there is no more glass ceiling and no more sexual double standard is the day I change my ways. You guys should just think of it as the price you have to pay for the other advantages you have in life.
Start acting like a man and we'll start treating you like one - a man pays his own way.*

*Cue for all the NotMe's a man posters here.

ltl/fb 07-08-2004 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
If they started yelling, still wrong?
If one of them had a particularly high-pitched voice, more or less wrong? If the woman took off her t-shirt, and had a bra on underneath, could she be ejected for improper dress? What if she didn't have a bra on? If Erie had been decided differently, in accordance with the dissent by the then chief justice, how would your answer change? What if Erie had been denied cert? If Bork had been appointed, and the WV couple sued and this went to the SC, what opinion might he have written?

Hank Chinaski 07-08-2004 07:07 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
with the guy who thinks he's a chick does.
you realize you're giving him more than the rest have?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-08-2004 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
If the woman took off her t-shirt, and had a bra on underneath, could she be ejected for improper dress? What if she didn't have a bra on?
If she's hot, all is forgiven. If she has man tits like Not Me, incarceration without trial.

but really I'm trying to get a sense from ty if he sees any 1A limits in this situation. The absolutist position is an easy one in principle.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-08-2004 07:09 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you realize you're giving him more than the rest have?
By making him look like an idiot? Sure, I guess.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-08-2004 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
If they started yelling, still wrong?
Do with them whatever they were doing with other people who yell. (Including the people yelling pro-Bush stuff.)

At that point it seems like it's somewhat fact-specific. If it's an arena with a big crowd and a good sound system, and a lot of people are yelling, why crack down on them? If it's a smaller room and everyone else is being quiet, and the yelling is pretty disruptive, then take the heckler out.

Not Me 07-08-2004 07:11 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
His taste in women.
He isn't asking you to love him.

Hank Chinaski 07-08-2004 07:12 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
By making him look like an idiot? Sure, I guess.
I meant "thinks he's a chick."
Atticus, in perhaps the funniest post ever, said "pretending to be."
I believe tis is the more standard school of thought.

captain marvelous 07-08-2004 07:13 PM

hey facists repukelicans, check this out, a page from bush/cheney handbooks on how to govern:

"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

sounds about right or does it?

in reality it's a quote from one of the neo-cons ideological predecessors, hermann goering. you sick fuckers deserve each other and your fourth reichh.

The Larry Davis Experience 07-08-2004 07:15 PM

Iraq insurrection Big? Bigger? Biggest? Biggestester?
 
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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...q_insurgency_2

Interesting article on Yahoo about the size of the insurrection and how its being fought. If this is accurate, then I'm about ready for Americans to leave too. If its just nationalism, then it sounds sorta like what I'd hope a lot of Americans would do if the roles were reversed. Well, and if the Iraqis were dragging their feet on allowing us to have elections etc....

Regarding how to fight an insurgency, please note the penultimate paragraph. You heard that thinking here first. 9 months ago. You wanna track people? Make em carry id cards and build giant databases.

Hello
Good article. The bit about the part-time insurgents reminded me of back when the PB was focused on the unemployment rate for a while. When do the analysts count a fighter as discouraged and thus out of the insurgent workforce?

Initially when I read your I-told-you-so at the end there I thought you were posting this article I read today about Fallujah. Apparently the Iraqi security force we gave control to hasn't done much of a job breaking up the terorrist networks there so now it's a safe haven for the insurgents, including the dread pirate Zarqawi. Sounds like the coalition wishes it had more offensive options besides waiting for the formation of an Iraqi force of sufficient size and training to clean house in there. It'll be interesting to see if the military commanders try to go back on the deal, and how loudly the govt would yelp if they do. The crap about our troops not being able to return fire is pretty astonishing.

Atticus Grinch 07-08-2004 07:16 PM

43 pulls a Krusty the Klown
 
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...lt-384x381.jpg

US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) walks away from a briefing with the media, refusing to answer questions after he was asked about Enron and the reported indictment of former CEO Kenneth Lay, who was a close adviser and fund-raiser for Bush and his father, earning him the presidential nickname of 'Kenny Boy.'(AFP/Paul J. Richards)

Link.

Krusty: [surrounded by reporters] No, this slide is perfectly safe. This was an isolated incident.
Kent Brockman: I understand that, Krusty . . . [lost in the reporters' yelling] Krusty! Wasn't that exactly what you said just before the recall of tainted 'Krusty Brand Mayonnaise'?
Krusty: Now, Kent, you know that question is out of bounds! This interview is over.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-08-2004 07:18 PM

Mental Masturbation
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I meant "thinks he's a chick."
Atticus, in perhaps the funniest post ever, said "pretending to be."
I believe tis is the more standard school of thought.
Oh, I see. Well, I'm not as funny or google-proficient as Atticus. And damned if I'm not regular!

ltl/fb 07-08-2004 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
really I'm trying to get a sense from ty if he sees any 1A limits in this situation. The absolutist position is an easy one in principle.
The endless hypothesizing and questioning is even easier.


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