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Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 12:39 AM

Two interesting breaking news bits:
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Sorry to break with you here Hello, but CJ REhnquist is obviously experiencing illness induced dementia. I will pray for the Lourd to call him home this weekend, before his vanity and greed corrupt a once laudible soul beyond redemption.
In Penske's deranged little world,* asking O'Connor to stick around to serve as Chief Justice is disrespectful, but wishing that Rehnquist would drop dead is not.

* Obviously, I mean this in the non-pejorative, respectful sense.

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 12:45 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
On Wolf Blitzer earlier today:

Quote:

WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

BLITZER: But she hadn't been a clandestine officer for some time before that?

WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about.
So by Wilson's own fat mouth, Plame wasn't a clandestine officer.

Why, again, is the left in a fucking uproar?

ltl/fb 07-15-2005 12:48 AM

david gregory is W's whiny little bitch
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The batwing is the bomber. The other one is the fighter. You should know this.
I think it looks more like a stingray. It was the only one I was aware of, and suddenly you bring in this whole "fighter" concept, and I don't know whether I'm just wrong about the whole thing. I have confirmed that what I think of as stealth is the bomber. And that Civ II's conception of the stealth bomber sucks -- it can't even traverse a single continent.

ETA dtb, you have a couple sons AND a husband. Of course you know this shit.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 12:52 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Why, again, is the left in a fucking uproar?
(1) She was under cover before, and she might have done it again if Rove hadn't blown her cover, and the cover of that other agent working for Brewster & Jennings, or whatever that front was called.

(2) There is no good reason for a presidential aide to be burning the cover of a CIA agent, especially in wartime. If a Democrat had done this, you guys would be apoplectic. Any principles apparently go out the window if Karl Rove is involved. Every Republican politician in D.C. owes their job to Karl Rove, so you can understand why they're lining up to show that they're on his side -- he has their nuts in a sack. But what about you? What's your excuse? The nit-picking attempts to get Rove off the hook for criminal liability? Shameless.

sgtclub 07-15-2005 01:01 AM

Dykes on Bikes
 
I read in the Chronicle that the biker club "Dykes on Bikes" has been attempting to register a trademark for that name the last 2 years but the PTO has denied it because it is offensive. Can they do that? How does the law work in this area?

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 02:13 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Tyrone Slothrop
(2) There is no good reason for a presidential aide to be burning the cover of a CIA agent, especially in wartime. If a Democrat had done this, you guys would be apoplectic. Any principles apparently go out the window if Karl Rove is involved. Every Republican politician in D.C. owes their job to Karl Rove, so you can understand why they're lining up to show that they're on his side -- he has their nuts in a sack. But what about you? What's your excuse? The nit-picking attempts to get Rove off the hook for criminal liability? Shameless.
The only shameless person in this scenario is Wilson. Period.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 02:26 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The only shameless person in this scenario is Wilson. Period.
He does have company in the headlines though, as those 4 Senators calling on Justice CattleGirl to unresign are shameless. Also, Schumer is shameless. And, of course, Kennedy and Byrd are shameless.

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 02:31 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

SlaveNoMore
The only shameless person in this scenario is Wilson. Period.
Mickey Kaus hits a great point that hasn't really been discussed anywhere else:

Quote:

Isn't this an obvious point that hasn't been made about Joseph Wilson and the Rove/Plame controversy: If you accept an assignment to investigate possible WMD-related activity in Niger on behalf of the CIA, and your wife works at the CIA, shouldn't you think before you make your CIA mission the subject of a high-profile New York Times op-ed piece that there might be the eensiest weensiest chance that in the course of the ensuing controversy your wife's CIA connection might come out in public? How could Wilson not have expected his wife's job to become the buzz of Washington in fairly short order? ... However serious her outing was--and there are those eight redacted pages to worry about--doesn't Wilson bear some substantial responsibility for it as well as whoever in the administration eventually "outed" her to reporters? ... You can't have it all, we are often told. When you marry a covert CIA agent, maybe there are some things you have to give up. Like going on Meet the Press to talk about the CIA!

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 02:46 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Mickey Kaus hits a great point that hasn't really been discussed anywhere else:
The hypocracy of the demos is boundless.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 03:06 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The only shameless person in this scenario is Wilson. Period.
I swear to God, if it came out that Karl Rove was sacrificing babies to Beelzebub in the White House basement, you guys would be lining up to explain that the babies were asking for it and the statute of limitations has expired. At least Penske is half joking.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-15-2005 09:05 AM

"Hairpiece?" "No, Herpes."
 
This guy knows how to rock n roll:

From the Neil Bush Deposition Archive:

Bush: "I had sexual intercourse with perhaps three or four, I don't remember the exact number, women, at different times. In Thailand once, I have a pretty clear recollection that there was one time in Thailand and in Hong Kong."

Brown: "And you were married to Mrs. Bush?"

Bush: "Yes."

Brown: "Is that where you caught the venereal diseases?"

Bush: "No."

Brown: "Where did you catch those?"

Bush: "Diseases plural? I didn't catch..."

Brown: "Well, I'm sorry. How ... how many venereal diseases do you suffer from?"

Bush: "I've had one venereal disease."

Brown: "Which was?"

Bush: "Herpes."

Brown then interrogates Bush's about his various sex partners:

"Did you pay them for that sex?"

Bush: "No, I did not."

Brown: "Pick them up in a sushi house?"

Bush: "No. ... My recollection is, where I can recall, they came to my room."

Brown: "Do you know the name of that hotel? I may go to Thailand sometime."

sebastian_dangerfield 07-15-2005 09:10 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Mickey Kaus hits a great point that hasn't really been discussed anywhere else:
No shit. Of course the outing itself isn't a huge deal. The devil is in the coverup. That Fitzgerald is still investigating something where its all but certain Rove didn't violate the letter of the law indicates he's exploring a charge related to a coverup or perjury.

And you're nuts if you believe that "Rove is a whistle blower" talking point. Its a "talking point," which means its either a misrepresantation or spin, or it omits a significant fact. You're supposed to foist those points on the press in lieu of actually addressing tough questions on the issues. You're not supposed to believe a fucking talking point. Its assumed that they are lies, diversions, etc... Thats why they're called "talking points" instead of "facts."

ETA: Oh, wait a minute. You don't believe Rove is innocent, do you? God, I can be so gullible. My bad.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-15-2005 09:28 AM

Dykes on Bikes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I read in the Chronicle that the biker club "Dykes on Bikes" has been attempting to register a trademark for that name the last 2 years but the PTO has denied it because it is offensive. Can they do that? How does the law work in this area?
You can't register offensive names as a trademark. But "Redskins" is not offensive.

spookyfish 07-15-2005 09:39 AM

david gregory is W's whiny little bitch
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
The B-2 fly out of the midwest and drop their loads in Afghanistan. Which I think is pretty much the opposite side of the planet.
I'm still trying to figure out whether you're merely agreeing with me or if you're capable of being a wiseass.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 10:10 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No shit. Of course the outing itself isn't a huge deal. The devil is in the coverup. That Fitzgerald is still investigating something where its all but certain Rove didn't violate the letter of the law indicates he's exploring a charge related to a coverup or perjury.

And you're nuts if you believe that "Rove is a whistle blower" talking point. Its a "talking point," which means its either a misrepresantation or spin, or it omits a significant fact. You're supposed to foist those points on the press in lieu of actually addressing tough questions on the issues. You're not supposed to believe a fucking talking point. Its assumed that they are lies, diversions, etc... Thats why they're called "talking points" instead of "facts."

ETA: Oh, wait a minute. You don't believe Rove is innocent, do you? God, I can be so gullible. My bad.

Rove was a consumer of the information, not a producer.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-15-2005 11:15 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Rove was a consumer of the information, not a producer.
I think the word you're looking for is "broker" or "middleman."

Shape Shifter 07-15-2005 11:22 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
On Wolf Blitzer earlier today:



So by Wilson's own fat mouth, Plame wasn't a clandestine officer.

Why, again, is the left in a fucking uproar?
Why did the CIA refer the matter to DOJ?

Shape Shifter 07-15-2005 11:24 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The only shameless person in this scenario is Wilson. Period.
You keep saying this, but that doesn't make it true.

Shape Shifter 07-15-2005 11:24 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
He does have company in the headlines though, as those 4 Senators calling on Justice CattleGirl to unresign are shameless. Also, Schumer is shameless. And, of course, Kennedy and Byrd are shameless.
And Terri Shiavo.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 11:27 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
You keep saying this, but that doesn't make it true.
Wilson had to know that if he said something at odds with the White House line, his wife's career would be ruined. It's all his fault.

Shape Shifter 07-15-2005 11:27 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Mickey Kaus hits a great point that hasn't really been discussed anywhere else:
Despite your obsession with Wilson, which is starting to seem similar to your obsession with paigow, Wilson is not the issue. It's Turd Blossom.

Gattigap 07-15-2005 11:28 AM

Two interesting breaking news bits:
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
2.) and Rehnquist says he ain't leaving so long as his health permits him to stay (shown as breaking at the moment on CNN.com). Hey, it beats walking the malls. I hope he lives another 20 years to enjoy the continued reign of the Bush family and their successors.
Quite the contrary. Rehnquist's actions have told Novak, bilmore, Penkse and Slave to take their predictions and go piss in the corner.

Further, such actions have made the Baby Jesus cry. The stars had aligned for Bush to nominate two -- TWO -- SC justices this summer, after which Bush would be consumed in holy light immediately preceding the Rapture. Rehnquist's intransigence in the face of this divine providence is just fucking things up, and if he knows what's good for him, he'd better remember what happens when you get on Rove's shit list.

Replaced_Texan 07-15-2005 11:38 AM

Bilmore outted
 
as Mark Yost, an editorial writer at Knight Ridder's St. Paul Pioneer Press.

His colleagues are unimpressed.

Bad_Rich_Chic 07-15-2005 11:40 AM

Baby Jesus
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Further, such actions have made the Baby Jesus cry.
I am reminded of a news item from a few years ago. An usher at a movie theater (in, I think, Nigeria) was arrested for attacking patrons with an electric cattle prod. When asked why he done it, he responded that they wouldn't stop farting at him, stating:

"They're a bunch of farting bastards with no respect for Baby Jesus."

Obviously, this must immediately become the new board motto.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 11:41 AM

Bilmore outted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
as Mark Yost, an editorial writer at Knight Ridder's St. Paul Pioneer Press.

His colleagues are unimpressed.
Ouch.

Say_hello_for_me 07-15-2005 11:43 AM

Two interesting breaking news bits:
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Quite the contrary. Rehnquist's actions have told Novak, bilmore, Penkse and Slave to take their predictions and go piss in the corner.
At least one of these people has had their prediction abilities put to the test previously (i.e., in the last presidential race) and come out to be a wee bit overly pessimistic.

Anyhoo, I'm just saying, I don't believe in putting people out to pasture, particularly with our social security crisis looming. Ole boy Bill is setting an example for the older folks by his work ethic. And yes, I know its repeating myself, but I've honestly seen too many people for who retirement=death, and I don't think that's how we should treat our older people. Or our Chief Justices.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-15-2005 11:44 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Rove was a consumer of the information, not a producer.
Yeah, the press never throws out an unconfirmed idea to a source to get their reaction. Novak has heard something from one source. He gets confirmation from Rove, who's in the know. And Rove wasn't a producer? What was he telling cooper--"I hear from Novak that she's covert"?

Gattigap 07-15-2005 11:45 AM

Bilmore outted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
as Mark Yost, an editorial writer at Knight Ridder's St. Paul Pioneer Press.

His colleagues are unimpressed.
Oh, RT.

You are one gullible SOB.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 11:55 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
And Terri Shiavo.
You are sick hater. If it wasn't for that blood oath thing, I would move to have you retroactively banned from the insurgency. And then deleted.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 11:56 AM

Two interesting breaking news bits:
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Quite the contrary. Rehnquist's actions have told Novak, bilmore, Penkse and Slave to take their predictions and go piss in the corner.

Further, such actions have made the Baby Jesus cry. The stars had aligned for Bush to nominate two -- TWO -- SC justices this summer, after which Bush would be consumed in holy light immediately preceding the Rapture. Rehnquist's intransigence in the face of this divine providence is just fucking things up, and if he knows what's good for him, he'd better remember what happens when you get on Rove's shit list.
Amen. Praise the Lourd!

sgtclub 07-15-2005 11:59 AM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I swear to God, if it came out that Karl Rove was sacrificing babies to Beelzebub in the White House basement, you guys would be lining up to explain that the babies were asking for it and the statute of limitations has expired. At least Penske is half joking.
I read today that Rove learned about Plame from Novak. He did not use classified access, probably becuase the information was not classified.

I'm prepared to call for Rove's ouster if the facts support it. They simply don't at this point.

sgtclub 07-15-2005 12:01 PM

Dykes on Bikes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You can't register offensive names as a trademark. But "Redskins" is not offensive.
And some hack in the PTO makes a judgment call as to what is offensive?

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 12:02 PM

Baby Jesus
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I am reminded of a news item from a few years ago. An usher at a movie theater (in, I think, Nigeria) was arrested for attacking patrons with an electric cattle prod. When asked why he done it, he responded that they wouldn't stop farting at him, stating:

"They're a bunch of farting bastards with no respect for Baby Jesus."

Obviously, this must immediately become the new board motto.
Remind me of this when I get the next 5000. I will use it subject to putting it in "hi less" HTML form, giving you full credit of course.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 12:05 PM

Two interesting breaking news bits:
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
At least one of these people has had their prediction abilities put to the test previously (i.e., in the last presidential race) and come out to be a wee bit overly pessimistic.

My predictions were rock solid. A couple of my socks blinked.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 12:08 PM

Hmm.
 
John Derbyshire at the National Review's Corner:
  • Given that the four London suicide bombers were all raised -- in at least one case, born and raised -- in Britain, the quintessential liberal democracy; and given that the entire premise of current U.S. policy is that we can end suicide bombing and other terrorism by bringing liberal democracy to the Middle East; shouldn't we be re-thinking our policy?

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 12:12 PM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I read today that Rove learned about Plame from Novak. He did not use classified access, probably becuase the information was not classified.

I'm prepared to call for Rove's ouster if the facts support it. They simply don't at this point.
2.

Gattigap 07-15-2005 12:14 PM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I read today that Rove learned about Plame from Novak.
Not precisely. Apparently, Rove learned it earlier, and confirmed it for Novak.
  • The lawyer, who has knowledge of the conversations between Rove and prosecutors, said President Bush's deputy chief of staff has told investigators that he first learned about the operative from a journalist and that he later learned her name from Novak.

    Rove has said he does not recall who the journalist was who first told him that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, or when the conversation occurred, the lawyer said.

    ...

    The new account means that Rove talked to both of the journalists who are known to have published original accounts about Plame. Rove's representatives have said that he mentioned the issue in the most general terms and did not name Plame. Democrats say he was trying to fuel stories that would punish an administration critic.

    The lawyer said Novak had telephoned Rove to discuss another column, about Frances Fragos Townsend, who had been named deputy national security adviser for terrorism in May 2003. That column ran in Novak's home paper, the Chicago Sun-Times, on July 10, 2003, under the headline "Bush sets himself up for another embarrassment."

    At the end of that 15- or 20-minute call, according to the lawyer, Novak said he had learned that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.

    "I heard that, too," Rove replied, according to the lawyer, confirming the Times account.

Replaced_Texan 07-15-2005 12:20 PM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Not precisely. Apparently, Rove learned it earlier, and confirmed it for Novak.
  • The lawyer, who has knowledge of the conversations between Rove and prosecutors, said President Bush's deputy chief of staff has told investigators that he first learned about the operative from a journalist and that he later learned her name from Novak.

    Rove has said he does not recall who the journalist was who first told him that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, or when the conversation occurred, the lawyer said.

    ...

    The new account means that Rove talked to both of the journalists who are known to have published original accounts about Plame. Rove's representatives have said that he mentioned the issue in the most general terms and did not name Plame. Democrats say he was trying to fuel stories that would punish an administration critic.

    The lawyer said Novak had telephoned Rove to discuss another column, about Frances Fragos Townsend, who had been named deputy national security adviser for terrorism in May 2003. That column ran in Novak's home paper, the Chicago Sun-Times, on July 10, 2003, under the headline "Bush sets himself up for another embarrassment."

    At the end of that 15- or 20-minute call, according to the lawyer, Novak said he had learned that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.

    "I heard that, too," Rove replied, according to the lawyer, confirming the Times account.

What is it with all these leaks from the grand jury? Goddamnit Fitzgerald, there's another leak to plug. You're never going to make it back to Chicago to appeal that drug case properly. Congress is so disappointed.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 12:24 PM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Not precisely. Apparently, Rove learned it earlier, and confirmed it for Novak.
  • The lawyer, who has knowledge of the conversations between Rove and prosecutors, said President Bush's deputy chief of staff has told investigators that he first learned about the operative from a journalist and that he later learned her name from Novak.

    Rove has said he does not recall who the journalist was who first told him that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, or when the conversation occurred, the lawyer said.

    ...

    The new account means that Rove talked to both of the journalists who are known to have published original accounts about Plame. Rove's representatives have said that he mentioned the issue in the most general terms and did not name Plame. Democrats say he was trying to fuel stories that would punish an administration critic.

    The lawyer said Novak had telephoned Rove to discuss another column, about Frances Fragos Townsend, who had been named deputy national security adviser for terrorism in May 2003. That column ran in Novak's home paper, the Chicago Sun-Times, on July 10, 2003, under the headline "Bush sets himself up for another embarrassment."

    At the end of that 15- or 20-minute call, according to the lawyer, Novak said he had learned that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.

    "I heard that, too," Rove replied, according to the lawyer, confirming the Times account.


I am sensing that, for better or worse, the Rove story will die before Rehnquist breathes his last.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 12:24 PM

"Hack" Wilson keeps talking
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
What is it with all these leaks from the grand jury? Goddamnit Fitzgerald, there's another leak to plug. You're never going to make it back to Chicago to appeal that drug case properly. Congress is so disappointed.
Why do you think the leaks are coming from the prosecution instead of the various defense lawyers? Fitzgerald has been running a tight ship up until now, and the article Gatti linked to makes perfect sense if you assume the lawyer who was the source is Rove's lawyer.


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