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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-15-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
And some hack in the PTO makes a judgment call as to what is offensive?
It's subject to judicial review, where some hack makes another judgment call.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It's subject to judicial review, where some hack makes another judgment call.
Sounds kind of like an eminent domain proceeding.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-15-2005 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
What is it with all these leaks from the grand jury? Goddamnit Fitzgerald, there's another leak to plug. You're never going to make it back to Chicago to appeal that drug case properly. Congress is so disappointed.
I guess it's 2 to ty, but of course this leak is from Rove--he's got another spin, which is he heard it from Novak. Presumably it took until now to confirm with Novak that that's what he told the grand jury as well.

Bad_Rich_Chic 07-15-2005 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
2.
Dissent. Whether he violated the statute or outed her, knowingly or not, he almost certainly violated his security clearance by talking to reporters about her status at all (even just confirming what they already knew or discussing what he had heard from other reporters and therefore thought was already public), and demonstrated extremely poor judgment in permitting this situation to arise. On the bad judgment point alone he should go. There really should be zero tolerance for these sorts of fuck ups at his level of responsibility in the admin.

I really hope that W's vaunted loyalty doesn't cause him to mess this up and try to keep him, but I'm not confident. If Rove wants what's good for the admin, he'll resign before he's under even more of a cloud.

More interesting is the question of who is the other leak? At best you have one leak and one moron who validated the leak through stupidity, at worst you have a conspiracy of leaks, which could be very, very damaging for an admin trying to conduct what is at heart a covert war.

That said, and completely irrelevant to the points above, Wilson sure is a distasteful little shit.

sgtclub 07-15-2005 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It's subject to judicial review, where some hack makes another judgment call.
And what is the rationale for not offering protection for "offensive" marks? We protect all sorts of "offensive" material and speach.

sgtclub 07-15-2005 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Dissent. Whether he violated the statute or outed her, knowingly or not, he almost certainly violated his security clearance by talking to reporters about her status at all (even just confirming what they already knew or discussing what he had heard from other reporters and therefore thought was already public), and demonstrated extremely poor judgment in permitting this situation to arise.
Her status wasn't classified, so how did he violate his clearance?

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
. If Rove wants what's good for the admin, he'll resign before he's under even more of a cloud.
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AGREED. 2. CONCUR. Sadly, much as neither side of the aisle produces statesman anymore (since Reagan), the people the pols surround themselves with have no sense of principle or higher duty. I don't know how the Baby Jesus feels about it, but I weep.

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic

That said, and completely irrelevant to the points above, Wilson sure is a distasteful little shit.
AGREED. 2. CONCUR. Hopefully the two Plames can crawl back under whatever rock they came out from under. Good riddance.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 12:37 PM

bababooeeiii
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
We protect all sorts of "offensive" material and speach.
Call Howard Stern and let him know all is forgiven.

Gattigap 07-15-2005 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
And what is the rationale for not offering protection for "offensive" marks? We protect all sorts of "offensive" material and speach.
You'd have to ask the authors of the Lanham Act, but I'd imagine that as a matter of public policy they'd point to a distinction between restricting the government's ability to limit offensive speech versus the government offering affirmative rights to enable people to profit from it.

Penske_Account 07-15-2005 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
You'd have to ask the authors of the Lanham Act, but I'd imagine that as a matter of public policy they'd point to a distinction between restricting the government's ability to limit offensive speech versus the government offering affirmative rights to enable people to profit from it.

[family feud cheer] Good answer! good answer![/family feud cheer].

It's posts like this that illustrate why you make the big Penskebucks.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 12:46 PM

Andrew Sullivan prints this e-mail from Sana'a, Yemen:
  • "I have been in Sana'a, Yemen working on an English language magazine and I felt the need to tell you that the climate here is angry. I read your blog daily and have the highest esteem for your intellectual pursuits. But, you've got it wrong about the "war is good because it stops the breeding of terrorists" thing. It's only making it worse - much, much worse. The U.S. is seen in a terrifically unenthusiastic light and all the war in Iraq seems to be doing is creating a culture of furious, uneducated 13 year olds who have to prove their manhood. The U.S. was something made up to them before this war. It was a far off place of blonde girls in bikinis and dudes who blow-dry their hair five times a day. Now, it's real and it's cramping their style. All the work our soft power did to create positive relations in the Arab world is becoming moot. Democracy is something a nation has to want, something a nation has to want so much they will shed blood for it. And the Arab world wants democracy as much as they want a hole in the head. They don't get it, they don't care to get it and it seems to be making life particularly shitty for their Iraqi brothers. I don't care what Bush or Wolfowitz or any of that crew have to say, people are not going to embrace this imposed "freedom." I am here, you aren't."

Shape Shifter 07-15-2005 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
You'd have to ask the authors of the Lanham Act, but I'd imagine that as a matter of public policy they'd point to a distinction between restricting the government's ability to limit offensive speech versus the government offering affirmative rights to enable people to profit from it.
Can I get CLE credit for this?

sgtclub 07-15-2005 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
You'd have to ask the authors of the Lanham Act, but I'd imagine that as a matter of public policy they'd point to a distinction between restricting the government's ability to limit offensive speech versus the government offering affirmative rights to enable people to profit from it.
Isn't Hank a self-professed IP Guru? Where is he. Hank, this is the first time in the history of this board that someone actually is interested in what you do for a living. Carpe Diem!

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-15-2005 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Andrew Sullivan prints this e-mail from Sana'a, Yemen:
  • "I have been in Sana'a, Yemen working on an English language magazine and I felt the need to tell you that the climate here is angry. I read your blog daily and have the highest esteem for your intellectual pursuits. But, you've got it wrong about the "war is good because it stops the breeding of terrorists" thing. It's only making it worse - much, much worse. The U.S. is seen in a terrifically unenthusiastic light and all the war in Iraq seems to be doing is creating a culture of furious, uneducated 13 year olds who have to prove their manhood. The U.S. was something made up to them before this war. It was a far off place of blonde girls in bikinis and dudes who blow-dry their hair five times a day. Now, it's real and it's cramping their style. All the work our soft power did to create positive relations in the Arab world is becoming moot. Democracy is something a nation has to want, something a nation has to want so much they will shed blood for it. And the Arab world wants democracy as much as they want a hole in the head. They don't get it, they don't care to get it and it seems to be making life particularly shitty for their Iraqi brothers. I don't care what Bush or Wolfowitz or any of that crew have to say, people are not going to embrace this imposed "freedom." I am here, you aren't."

But, but...bilmore has some buddies in the Green Zone who say everything's going great!! Must be a self-hating liberal.

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-15-2005 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Isn't Hank a self-professed IP Guru? Where is he. Hank, this is the first time in the history of this board that someone actually is interested in what you do for a living. Carpe Diem!
He can't help. This is a trademark issue, and Hank does design patents for automobile wheel covers. Kind of a narrow niche, but there's no doubt he's the go-to guy for all the big boys. It's why he's so up on all the hip-hop culture, as well.

Gattigap 07-15-2005 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Can I get CLE credit for this?
If you pay me an attendance fee, sure.

futbol fan 07-15-2005 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
But, but...bilmore has some buddies in the Green Zone who say everything's going great!! Must be a self-hating liberal.
This misses the point. The freedom hating Islamofascists have and always will hate us -- for our freedom (duh). Our actions are entirely irrelevant, because the "Arab Street" is not comprised of people with opinions that can be swayed in one direction or another by U.S. action (or the exercise of restraint), but is rather a solid mass of shrieking fanatics who lust (lust! I say) for our blood. See, e.g., Pony Trekker for suggested approaches to this seemingly intractable problem.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-15-2005 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
And what is the rationale for not offering protection for "offensive" marks? We protect all sorts of "offensive" material and speach.
We don't give government granted monopolies for it though. You can't ban speech, but you don't have to subsidize it.

Gattigap 07-15-2005 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
We don't give government granted monopolies for it though. You can't ban speech, but you don't have to subsidize it.
This is why burger gets to chair the CLE events, and I'm the guy who tries to rouse the group's flagging attention for the 4:45 time slot.

sgtclub 07-15-2005 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
We don't give government granted monopolies for it though. You can't ban speech, but you don't have to subsidize it.
Isn't porn entitled to copyright protection?

Bad_Rich_Chic 07-15-2005 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
But, but...bilmore has some buddies in the Green Zone who say everything's going great!! Must be a self-hating liberal.
Regardless of how its going, this person seems to have the rather odd impression that, until we invaded Iraq, the syndication of Bay Watch was about to make every disaffected youth in the middle east fall madly in love with us. And that their objection to the invasion is that it "cramps their style."

I am not inspired to trust this correspondent's judgment. But maybe I'm wrong, and all the teens in the middle east are really slacker mall rats.

BR(Yemen, New Jersey - people all over the world really are the same after all!)C

ltl/fb 07-15-2005 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Isn't porn entitled to copyright protection?
Trademark, copyright. Trademark, copyright. Different things.

sgtclub 07-15-2005 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Trademark, copyright. Trademark, copyright. Different things.
Understood, but we are still protecting "offensive" material for purposes of profit.

ltl/fb 07-15-2005 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Understood, but we are still protecting "offensive" material for purposes of profit.
From what I vaguely remember from some kind of IP class I took because it fit into my "no classes Mon or Fri" schedule, you don't ahve ot register to get copyright protection, but in your scenario the group is trying to register their trademark.

God, this is boringer than taxes. Hank, will you please explain this? Or Gatti. anyone.

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 01:39 PM

Two interesting breaking news bits:
 
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Gattigap
Quite the contrary. Rehnquist's actions have told Novak, bilmore, Penkse and Slave to take their predictions and go piss in the corner.

Further, such actions have made the Baby Jesus cry. The stars had aligned for Bush to nominate two -- TWO -- SC justices this summer, after which Bush would be consumed in holy light immediately preceding the Rapture. Rehnquist's intransigence in the face of this divine providence is just fucking things up, and if he knows what's good for him, he'd better remember what happens when you get on Rove's shit list.

My 2 cents-

Rehnquist will stick around - health willing - until the O'Connor replacement is named.

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 01:39 PM

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Shape Shifter
Despite your obsession with Wilson, which is starting to seem similar to your obsession with paigow, Wilson is not the issue. It's Turd Blossom.
Is this like your obsession with Rove ... and me?

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 01:40 PM

Voodoo Economics
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
A top White House economic adviser is predicting that better-than-expected tax revenue may put this year`s federal budget deficit "well below" previous estimates....

White House officials say the shriking deficit is a sign that President Bush`s tax-cutting policies are working.
Reality check on the voodoo economics.

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 01:44 PM

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Bad_Rich_Chic
I really hope that W's vaunted loyalty doesn't cause him to mess this up and try to keep him, but I'm not confident. If Rove wants what's good for the admin, he'll resign before he's under even more of a cloud.
Rove can probably accomplish more from outside a formal position in the White House than within it, so in the long run, it could be a win/win for the WH if he steps down.

As to security clearance, what ever happened to the Sandy Berger inverstigation?

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 01:46 PM

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ironweed
This misses the point. The freedom hating Islamofascists have and always will hate us -- for our freedom (duh). Our actions are entirely irrelevant, because the "Arab Street" is not comprised of people with opinions that can be swayed in one direction or another by U.S. action (or the exercise of restraint), but is rather a solid mass of shrieking fanatics who lust (lust! I say) for our blood. See, e.g., Pony Trekker for suggested approaches to this seemingly intractable problem.
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Gattigap 07-15-2005 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
From what I vaguely remember from some kind of IP class I took because it fit into my "no classes Mon or Fri" schedule, you don't ahve ot register to get copyright protection, but in your scenario the group is trying to register their trademark.

God, this is boringer than taxes. Hank, will you please explain this? Or Gatti. anyone.
There are a variety of public policy rationales for it. Google reveals one summary that club will particularly like, in that the article argues in favor of changing the law to permit registration of offensive marks. Read away, club.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-15-2005 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Rove can probably accomplish more from outside a formal position in the White House than within it, so in the long run, it could be a win/win for the WH if he steps down.

As to security clearance, what ever happened to the Sandy Berger inverstigation?
Berger plead guilty. Karl should become a frelancer like Lee Atwater. Who wouldn't hire him? He could also do the talk show circuit with Carville and Matalin and Gingrich. One thing's for certain, the future is incredibly bright for Karl no matter what happens. The man revolutionized the way politics is played.

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 01:48 PM

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Bad_Rich_Chic
I am not inspired to trust this correspondent's judgment. But maybe I'm wrong, and all the teens in the middle east are really slacker mall rats.

BR(Yemen, New Jersey - people all over the world really are the same after all!)C
Didn't you see that hysterical Yemeni film "Muhammad and Abu Go To White Castle"?

Gattigap 07-15-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Rove can probably accomplish more from outside a formal position in the White House than within it, so in the long run, it could be a win/win for the WH if he steps down.
Perhaps he can use the same number Dick Morris used to call.

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As to security clearance, what ever happened to the Sandy Berger inverstigation?
I'm guessing Sandy no longer has his security clearance.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
One thing's for certain, the future is incredibly bright for Karl no matter what happens.
Unless he's in the pokey. I'm not saying that's likely, but we don't know. Just about all of the facts ("facts") being kicked around are being leaked by defense lawyers, so we shouldn't be surprised that they don't make things look so bad. Meanwhile, we really don't know what kind of case Fitzgerald is putting together. Maybe he has a lot more. Maybe he doesn't.

That said, even if Rove had to do some time, he'd surely have a long list of clients waiting for him when he got out.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-15-2005 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by ironweed
This misses the point. The freedom hating Islamofascists have and always will hate us -- for our freedom (duh). Our actions are entirely irrelevant, because the "Arab Street" is not comprised of people with opinions that can be swayed in one direction or another by U.S. action (or the exercise of restraint), but is rather a solid mass of shrieking fanatics who lust (lust! I say) for our blood. See, e.g., Pony Trekker for suggested approaches to this seemingly intractable problem.
They don't hate our freedom as much as they hate our standard of living.

Everyone has a price. Give them cheap leased German cars, a robust housing market, flat screen televisions and 401ks and they'll be our bestest ever friends.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-15-2005 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Unless he's in the pokey. I'm not saying that's likely, but we don't know. Just about all of the facts ("facts") being kicked around are being leaked by defense lawyers, so we shouldn't be surprised that they don't make things look so bad. Meanwhile, we really don't know what kind of case Fitzgerald is putting together. Maybe he has a lot more. Maybe he doesn't.

That said, even if Rove had to do some time, he'd surely have a long list of clients waiting for him when he got out.
He'll be as sad and ruined as Michael Milken.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
I'm guessing Sandy no longer has his security clearance.
I think that one of the keys to his plea was that a misdemeanor would not prevent him from getting the security clearance in the future. The question is moot until 2008.

Berger may have been stupid with secrets, but he was not intentionally sharing them.

If Rove were convicted of a felony and pardoned, could he get a security clearance?

SlaveNoMore 07-15-2005 01:57 PM

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Gattigap
I'm guessing Sandy no longer has his security clearance.
I just googled. Sandy pled out and got (i) no prison time, (ii)
a $10,000 fine, and (iii) a three-year revocation of his security clearance.

Who the hell approved that deal. Sheesh.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-15-2005 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
They don't hate our freedom as much as they hate our standard of living.
I liked it better when it was envy, not hate.

Gattigap 07-15-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I just googled. Sandy pled out and got (i) no prison time, (ii)
a $10,000 fine, and (iii) a three-year revocation of his security clearance.

Who the hell approved that deal. Sheesh.
Indeed.

OTOH, if Sandy's breach of security by taking copies of his notes led to the death of any agents or other blown operations, I'm sure we'd have heard about it.


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