Dumbass?
 

Oh hogwash. This country was equally divided during the Clinton administration and 9/11 was but a momentary pause in the partisan bickering that has been our history whenever we have a CE that isn't milk toast.

Your federal government working for you.
 

That's how it should be.

As for Rudy, what's the campaign slogan: "First 42nd Street; Now Las Vegas and New Orleans"?

Your federal government working for you.
 

Anymore?

Class
 

On a serious note, I heard yesterday that Rehnquist and O'Connor dated briefly at Stanford. I had never heard this before. What's up with that?

Dumbass?
 

Revisionist fuck.

Your federal government working for you.
 

But, hey, he raised 20 large for the victims. Who knew he was a Communist fuck?

Class
 

This is true - Fucking remarkable. I always wondered if they got it on. O'Connor has talked about it and seems to suggest it was very innocent, but she's a lady (and a cowgirl) and I wouldn't expect her to say anything different.

Class
 

He was #1 in his class, she was #3. They were probably in the same study groups.

No.


(Well, not all of us.)

Wonkin'
 

2.

Your federal government working for you.
 

I see your point. I pay for, but take little in return from, the govt. However, it is still technically supposed to come to the rescue in time of tragedy. We can’t - shouldn’t move toward strict Social Darwinism or an “each man for himself” system of defense and security against attack/natural disaster. That’d be the end of the nation. Like it or not, you’re stuck with taking care of others. There’s nothing a civilized society can or should do about that. The questions NO raises are:

1. Where does that duty end; and

2. How do we teach people accustomed to a govt safety net for everything that they have to be responsible for their own lives?

I have no answers.

Your federal government working for you.
 

This is an attempt at a joke, right? Please tell me you weren't serious.

Dumbass?
 

2. i remember some serious anti-Bush hatred election night 2000 and in the weeks thereafter.

Your federal government working for you.
 

Speaking of jokes . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/kat...ion=cnn_latest

(FEMA sends evacuees to the wrong Charleston)

Your federal government working for you.
 

Can someone give an example of a society that has no safety net -- where people are all self-reliant? Because I'm not feeling it.

Your federal government working for you.
 

fuck that. I want an answer from Florence Nightengale.

Your federal government working for you.
 

Sparta and the Arapahoe until about 1870.

Your federal government working for you.
 

Can you send me some kind of article on Sparta that backs this up? They lived near water, yes? Perhaps some discussion of a terrible storm lo those many years ago. TIA.

Actually now I'm curious about the class structure of Sparta, and whether they had something like larger landowners who did the whole "distribute grain to the villagers/farmers from the central stores (collected by the large landowner from the farmers or whatever) in times of bad harvests" type thing.


ETA because for some reason I'm thinking that the Greeks were somewhat like the Romans in that only certain people were citizens, and then there was this whole underclass, possibly bifurcated between free people and slaves, who were sort of dependents of the relatively few big cheeses, and that the big cheeses were responsible for their dependents, and I am not talking about their bio families. But I am not sure.

Your federal government working for you.
 

I don't recall one thing you've said on this board, let alone this topic. To be respected on either board one must make one's bones. You can't just start posting a lot and assume you're making sense, or arguing well. The only person who could possibly show up and have immediate credibilty would be my wife. But that is becuase she's proven herself here, and Paigow/SS would flatter her to try and co-opt her talents. The mere fact that she has sex with a well-respected poster would not give her credibilty, in an of itself (please pass on softball- "your wife screws not bob?" harhar).

Most of us had reached the conclusion that you've never had anything to say on topic.
Your grandstanding about an idea that someone else created is vile. I'm sure the lack of acknowledgements or disclosures to you are quite low due to the grandstanding. Anyone remember Ironweed "shaking the trees" this way?

Your federal government working for you.
 

We're having a cheese tasting at my home next weekend. I would invite you if you lived near here. All the invitees are upper crust, but not all will be big cheeses.

Your federal government working for you.
 

Atticus?

Your federal government working for you.
 

I have nothing more to say on the topic for now.

Your federal government working for you.
 

It seems like a reasonable mistake, given that half of the federal government is now located in the Mountaineer state.

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 

She is anti-Roe v Wade.

Class
 

I agree the article was overly self-focused but still more classy than Souter's silence or Dershbagoshits "thug" comment.

Ginsburg's comments were the epitome of class for someone who is of a very different ideological bent.

Your federal government working for you.
 

No, he didn't. So what? To each his own. Why does it bother you so much that I cajole people into giving to a good cause?

Seriously, I don't know whether you have given money to the Red Cross or some other suitable charity or not. I'm not calling on you to publicly state that you have. I will assume you have.

Your sensitivity to this issue is quite extraordinary, however.

A couple of days ago you were just as vehement against my suggestion that accepting aid offered by other countries might be a good thing. Do you just have a thing against NO? Do you think they brought this upon themselves?

My vision of you is rapidly becoming one of some macho Kirk Douglas / Charlton Heston type yelling "Don't help him up. He's got to get up on his own."

NO doesn't need no stinkin' boats. Or helecopters. Or generators. Or pumps. Or fresh water. Or help from volunteers. Everything's under control. If they can't pull themselves up by there bootstraps, it just wasn't meant to be. Check. Got it. Let the place burn.

We should take Al jazeera out. They are co-conspirators of Al Qaeda.

Your federal government working for you.
 

I'll just drop this. you're heading for needing a sock change, and that wouldn't be practical.

Your federal government working for you.
 

I think he just doesn't like being preached to. He probably gives anonymously.

Your federal government working for you.
 

You have not commented on Nagin's fuckups which preceded and set up every other entities' fuck ups.

And why is the Red Cross the end all be all of charitable organizations? I have given to other organizations and am working with a non-red cross organization to bring kids (and possibly families) to Seattle during the period of their displacement so that the kids can attend private schools in seattle during such period. I suppose all the people in this effourt are chumps. I let them all know you say so.

Class
 

Cite please.

Class
 

Are you jealous? Her husband is sort of sickly, maybe if you wait him out you still have a chance.

Wonkin'
 

dissent. And you both continue to duck the issue. Is Nagin paying y'all?

Class
 

If his mom does start dating Teddy Kennedy, do you think the 4 of them could sit at the same table? I mean philisophically, not physically.

Your federal government working for you.
 

Whether or not there is a historical precedent has no bearing on the validity of the idea. Try thinking outside of your box.

Your federal government working for you.
 

It's arrogant. And who decides what is "suitable"? You? Again, if you are serious, its arrogant and off putting. I wonder if the red Cross knows about the effourts because you may be costing them donations if you are doing this on wide spread basis. The way you wrote the first post had you calling me and anyone else here who gives to another org "chumps" (and ftr there is at leastr one other person here who has pledged to donate to the effourts I am engaged in).

Let me add that none of that is meant to take away from your good intentions and admirable acts in giving money to the red cross or assisting others with giving.

Your federal government working for you.
 

Nice. I've said repeatedly that I don't care what organization one gives to.

This is the kind of politics of personal destruction I've come to expect from you, though, so I'm not too bothered.

Class
 

When Ted flies coach, does he have to pay for two seats? The pic from the other day showed a lot of spillage into the adjacent seat.

Your federal government working for you.
 

2. I have to agree with this. Penske is a hate sock:(

Class
 

say if the Democratic Senate leadership took a junket to Cuba, would they each get 2 seats? otherwise, can you explain how it would be fair to Leiberman?