On the other hand, maybe he isn't that bright.
 

I hope someone has let W know - just with this year's $100B supplemental budget request, he spends this in a couple of hours in Iraq alone and still can't get OBL.

Boy, somebody's going to look bad!

On the other hand, maybe he isn't that bright.
 

The point is that the Pakistanis are supposed to be using it to squelch the terrorist roaches in their own land but are not. Bhutto had the money to squelch it but decided she'd rather squire it away in a bank account in Switzerland and let the fanatics fester and breed as is.

On the other hand, maybe he isn't that bright.
 

I agree with you that the Bhuttos are corrupt, though I would have thought their take was more than SFr 20 m. But I certainly don't think that's enough for the central government to buy control of those provinces. Pakistan -- and the British before them -- would pay a lot more for the privilege.

Jane and I were having Solstice, now we need a place to stay.
 

Dear Republicans:

If you have Penske on your Secret Santa GWGGH list, you might consider this fine item. (Uh, he doesn't have a nut allergy, does he?)

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/2...OnGXsAGbATtQ--

In the Spirit of Bipartisan Love,

Not Bob

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

• The Republican Party of Virginia wants voters in the Feb. 12 GOP presidential primary to sign a pledge that they will support the party's nominee.
  
  The state Board of Elections approved the request yesterday.
  
  Those who wish to cast a ballot in the Republican presidential primary will have to sign a statement that says, "I, the undersigned, pledge that I intend to support the nominee of the Republican Party for president."

Paul Waldman sees this as an effort to tell GOP voters what to do in the general election, but I think it's more an effort to ensure that moderates don't vote in the primary. Spanky, what do you think?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

some primaries are open to all, some only to registered Rs or Ds, correct? Like in Michigan I can vote for Dennis K. to try to mess you guys up. If Va is like that, it might be to try to keep Ds out. And really, it is directed at the extreme rightwingers, not the moderates. Tehy want the snakehandlers to stay on board, even when a guy who doesn't speak in tongues gets nominated.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

According to this, Virginia had an open primary two years ago, so you may be right. Doesn't make it any less odious, though.

Sir, I am impressed with the way you so quickly reverse direction. Just a second ago, I found myself agreeing with you that this was aimed at Democrats, and now -- perhaps because you sensed my impending agreement -- you say it is directed at the wingers. Bravo.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Why should primaries be open to anyone but people in the party?

Should I be able to walk in and vote for Edwards, just to fuck with Hillary?*


*Note: This is a hypothetical point. Most Republicans, like myself, have far better things to do than waste their time on such shenanigans - Contrast, many Democrats, who, as teachers, journalists, unemployed students and municipal workers (collectively, "loafers"), have not only plenty of time to waste, but walk off the job at the drop of a hat if able to skew an election.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

I'm looking forward to their enforcement measures. Secret ballots, schmecret ballots.

Why do the Republicans hate America?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

If the Republicans want some kind of a loyalty oath before letting someone in the voting booth that is indeed their problem.

It is the linking of the loyalty oath to how they will vote in a secret, general election that I find odious. It's true, the constitution doesn't protect the secrecy of the ballot - this isn't a constitutional issue. But ballot secrecy is one of those basic Democratic protections we've become accustomed to.

What happens when Pat Robertson starts challenging voters to figure out their true intent? What questions does he ask when he has them on the stand?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

That can't possibly be binding, and is therefore bullshit. I would sign something that stupid, knowing it was an out-and-out lie.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

I think parties can opt to pick their candidate at a convention instead of through a primary, which would satisfy the associational concern you are raising. If they're going to use the governmental electoral apparatus, why can't the government establish laws about who gets to participate?

I'm sure there is caselaw on this, since neither party likes open primaries.

eta: Indeed, the Fourth Circuit appears to have addressed this recently. Here is a brief from the Va. Attorney General in the case, and it says (in part):

• Virginia allows political parties to choose their own method of nominating candidates. Virginia also expects that political parties generally will run and fund the costs of their nomination process.[2] However, at the request of the party, Virginia will provide a state-run and state-funded open primary. See Virginia Code § 24.2-530. Although political parties may have a closed primary if the parties administer and fund it, there is no provision for a state-run or state-funded closed primary. The choices as to the method of nomination and/or whether to take advantage of the State’s offer of a state-run and state-funded open primary are left entirely to the party. No party is required to do anything.

Curiously, footnote 2 says:

• 2 To be sure, a party’s nomination process, even when conducted and funded entirely by the party rather than by the State, amounts to state action. Smith v. Allwright, 321 U.S. 649, 663-63 (1944); Terry v. Adams, 345 U.S. 461, 472-74 (1953) (Frankfurter, J., concurring).

Apparently you take issue with those decisions.
We'll file this under Paranoid Republican Electoral Fraud Myths, but the folder is getting overstuffed.

Yes, Virginia.
 

Sure you would. But what if you thought that lying was a sin and you'd be punished for it in the afterlife? Or, like Slave, that Santa sees everything you do and won't bring you a hockey stick for Christmas? These are Republicans we're talking about.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Some state's opt for primaries open to all, some opt for primaries open to all voters registered in a party and all unenrolled voters, some opt for closed primaries. The closed primary states often let you register for a party at the polls. Generally, each state party can decide whether to participate in the primaries established by the legislature or can opt out and select their nominees and their delegates other ways.

Most state parties allocate their Presidential delegates a number of ways; they can use both a primary and a caucus if they choose - the rules are very flexible. And most parties seem to want the insiders picking some delegates.

Yes, Virginia.
 

If Ty is right and it's aimed at moderate Rs, it'll be OK. They're usually the fiscal conservatives/social liberals.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Now I understand. This is all about scamming the state to underwrite the Republican Party. Trent Lott must be proud!

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

If it's state action, and anyone can vote, why is it a scam?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

so our dating contract, and what you promised to do on the third date, that is meaningless?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Absolutely. I don't think you can get specific performance for personal services.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Tell this to the UFT or the AFLCIO

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

I have a problem with Frankfurter's concurrence, yes. Perhaps it make sense in its original context.

Yes, Virginia.
 

Santa's bringing me a FC Shakhtar Donetsk win.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

If a labor union were to say that you couldn't vote in a union election unless you pledged to vote for the union-supported candidate in a general election, that would reek. I've never heard of that happening, though.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

These moralizing waterheads love pledges. They sign abstinence pledges, joing the Promise Keepers, etc. Blind consistency and stupidity, hand in hand as always.

Who wouldn't lie on a form they were handing to some right-wing political volunteer? If you can't lie to that stripe of hypocrite, who can you lie to?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

The point was that the loyalty oath is a way of making this effectively a closed primary for the benefit of the Rs when the state is only holding an open primary, and would only permit a closed primary if the Rs paid for it.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Isn't he referring to EFCA?

aV

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

you have to ask questions directly to the underlying blogs, you can't ask Ty. I can't believe I have to keep saying this to you people.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

remember. this would be in small claims court. does that change stuff?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Is that what it says? 'Splain, please.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

QED

399-20

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Apparently the South Carolina primary is proportional representation for the delegates that show up at the convention. Colbert is hoping that he has enough votes for one lone delegate to show up and cast a ballot for him in the Democratic convention. I don't think the party is too pleased about this.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

It being EFCA? Or It being Slave? If its EFCA, I think the idea is that the law would take away a secret ballot election and replace ith with card check for purposes of union representation.

But you knew that.

I thought that Slave's point was that any attempt by Democrats to try and attack Republicans in regard to secret ballot elections rings hollow when their supporters are pushing to do away with secret ballot elections in the union context.

However I probably shouldn't be speaking for Slave or his point.

aV

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Apparently, Slave believes that union certification and selecting elected officials are one and the same. It's not the craziest idea he's had.

But if the Rs are so gung-ho on the issue when it applies to unions, why do they play a different jig in Virginia? Why, Slave, Why?

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

That's the thing about playing insider ball.

When someone else gets the ball, the insider gets very sad and throws a tantrum.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

Yes. I wasn't seeing the relevance.

Thanks for trying, but I'm still not getting the parallel.

Virginia GOP to centrists: Fuck off.
 

i'm counting this. win 400. thank you all.

Yes, Virginia.
 

Santa can suck it.

More of a Yog-Sogoth man, myself.