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notcasesensitive 09-07-2005 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
He already said publicly that the initial performance was unacceptable. Who knows what the distress of being in the presence of a shrill and shreiking harpy like Pelosi would make him say and as such it has no bearing.

When is someone going to call for Nagin to resign? Or do you all still withhold criticism of his monumental failure?
I thought the hurricane took care of any need for Nagin's resignation. If a city has no residents does it require a Mayor?

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 03:32 PM

Your federal government working for you.
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Wait a minute. Did you go to the peach festival this year? That's good fun.
No, I actually punted on that trip this year. But I have been to the peach festival. Good times. I vacationed in Penticton for 7 consecutive years. That's when I was made an honourary citisen. Those were the days.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-07-2005 03:39 PM

Your federal government working for you.
 
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Originally posted by baltassoc
If I think about what I know, you aren't going to like the answer.

I am sorry you are offended. Those who cannot donate should not be offended. When 9/11 occurred, I was in a financial postion that precluded me from donating anything above a token amount.

OTOH, had I seen at the time (and I did) people encouraging others to donate to some cause (or expressing dismay that others have not donated), I would have shrugged my shoulders, thought to myself "I've done what I can" and let it go.

And I'm still pretty.
I have given money here and there, and always do it anonymously. There's nothing wrong int talking about what you give to get others to do so, but I find it pointless for you to try to “out” Hank as selfish. I don’t give a shit whether Hank gives. Its his business. Leave the guy alone.

Give and talk about it all you like. But stop trying to arm twist or shame. It creeps me out.

ETA: And you ought to know Hank is fucking with you. I mean, come on... he’s drowning you on a long line here.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-07-2005 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
We should take Al jazeera out. They are co-conspirators of Al Qaeda.
I disagree, and, fortunately, so does the Administration.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-07-2005 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I thought the hurricane took care of any need for Nagin's resignation. If a city has no residents does it require a Mayor?
I watched Nagin speak for the past week now. He’s no Bush, but he’s awful. Blanco and the two senators are the only ones who appear to have any business governing anything larger than a church fair. The local politicos can’t even speak the King’s Fucking English, Brown from FEMA just muddles his way through canned excuses and Chertoff has major “Dog-in-headlights” paranoid eyes going. Where’s Cheney? He doesn’t give half a shit, but at least it’d be nice to see someone with a brain...

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2005 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I have given money here and there, and always do it anonymously. There's nothing wrong int talking about what you give to get others to do so, but I find it pointless for you to try to “out” Hank as selfish. I don’t give a shit whether Hank gives. Its his business. Leave the guy alone.

Give and talk about it all you like. But stop trying to arm twist or shame. It creeps me out.

ETA: And you ought to know Hank is fucking with you. I mean, come on... he’s drowning you on a long line here.
I wasn't fucking with him. It started as well-intended advice, not unlike you and ncs have now delivered. He then turned that into saying I must not give anything. To anyone thinking, that is absurd, of course- but the personal attack was really out of line.

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2005 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I watched Nagin speak for the past week now. He’s no Bush, but he’s awful. Blanco and the two senators are the only ones who appear to have any business governing anything larger than a church fair. The local politicos can’t even speak the King’s Fucking English, Brown from FEMA just muddles his way through canned excuses and Chertoff has major “Dog-in-headlights” paranoid eyes going. Where’s Cheney? He doesn’t give half a shit, but at least it’d be nice to see someone with a brain...
Have you caught General Honore yet? That guy will get shit done, and not take shit while doing it. I thought he was going to beat up a reporter the other day.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-07-2005 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Like Ty, neither of you need my defense, I'm sure.
Need, no, but it always makes me happy.

sgtclub 09-07-2005 04:00 PM

In other news . . .
 
  • a devastating assessment of the U.N. oil-for-food program in Iraq, investigators strongly criticized Secretary-General Kofi Annan, his deputy and the Security Council for allowing Saddam Hussein to bilk $10.2 billion from the giant humanitarian operation and oil smuggling operations.

    Annan said he took personal responsibility for the lapses but he stressed he had no plans to resign. "The report is critical of me personally, and I accept the criticism," he said.

    The Independent Inquiry Committee's report on the oil-for-food program said those managing the program _ including U.N. member states and the world body's staff _ failed the ideals of the United Nations, ignoring clear evidence of corruption and waste that flourished after it was created in 1996 to help ordinary Iraqis.

    "The inescapable conclusion from the committee's work is that the United Nations organization needs thorough reform _ and it needs it urgently," the report said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/07/D8CFJC180.html

Sidd Finch 09-07-2005 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I thought the hurricane took care of any need for Nagin's resignation. If a city has no residents does it require a Mayor?

Take your existentialist queries to the Philosophy Board.

Sidd Finch 09-07-2005 04:04 PM

In other news . . .
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
  • a devastating assessment of the U.N. oil-for-food program in Iraq, investigators strongly criticized Secretary-General Kofi Annan, his deputy and the Security Council for allowing Saddam Hussein to bilk $10.2 billion from the giant humanitarian operation and oil smuggling operations.

    Annan said he took personal responsibility for the lapses but he stressed he had no plans to resign. "The report is critical of me personally, and I accept the criticism," he said.

    The Independent Inquiry Committee's report on the oil-for-food program said those managing the program _ including U.N. member states and the world body's staff _ failed the ideals of the United Nations, ignoring clear evidence of corruption and waste that flourished after it was created in 1996 to help ordinary Iraqis.

    "The inescapable conclusion from the committee's work is that the United Nations organization needs thorough reform _ and it needs it urgently," the report said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/07/D8CFJC180.html

Annan should resign.

Or be given a Presidential Medal of Freedom. Whichever.

notcasesensitive 09-07-2005 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I watched Nagin speak for the past week now. He’s no Bush, but he’s awful. Blanco and the two senators are the only ones who appear to have any business governing anything larger than a church fair. The local politicos can’t even speak the King’s Fucking English, Brown from FEMA just muddles his way through canned excuses and Chertoff has major “Dog-in-headlights” paranoid eyes going. Where’s Cheney? He doesn’t give half a shit, but at least it’d be nice to see someone with a brain...
Chertoff is awful. I know he was brought in to cover for Brown, who is clearly incompetent, but his answers at the initial press conference that he held were embarrassing. I find the whole "two catastrophes" line of reasoning that he trotted out to be flawed and I'm saddened that he even tried to pass it off. And telling the reporter who asked why the failure of the levees was not a foreseeable effect of the hurricane that he was being argumentative was idiocy. It was in their fucking plan a year ago.

I really haven't heard much out of the governor. I wouldn't assume that a state such as Louisiana would have a lot in the way of resources to tap into to help matters now, but maybe I'm wrong. I mean, California had to max out FEMA help after the Northridge earthquake and Louisiana is no California in terms of resources.

The mayor's actions before the hurricane hit were clearly lacking, but I'm not sure what he could be doing post-disaster to make things better. I think begging for state and federal aid is about all he has in his bag of tricks at this point. Maybe also begging police to return to duty.


ETF bag of tricks, not book of tricks.

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

Poll numbers out! Hank right/libs wrong. Pelosi and her ilk will be losing seats if they don't shut up.
We win again!!!!

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
That's great! Oh, I hear the Dems have pretty much locked up the White House for another term on The West Wing. Can anyone here confirm?
In the la la land that is Hollyweird, the dems are always winners.

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
This is a question, not an accusation, but do you ever refer to male politicians as "shrill and shrieking harpies"? (I'm sure there are some out there who fit that bill.)
Yes, and no. Shrieking yes, shrill probably, harpies no; so the ultimate answer is no. The reason is the combo of the three carries a certain sexist resonance that would not ring as well when used in relation to a man. Is that the answer you were looking for?

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
Nagin, Blanco, Bush and Cheney ought to all resign.

Now when will you agree, and call for Bush's resignation.
When he does or fails to do something that warrants his resignation. So far I have not seen the requisite act or omission.

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I watched Nagin speak for the past week now. He’s no Bush, but he’s awful. Blanco and the two senators are the only ones who appear to have any business governing anything larger than a church fair.
Senator Landrieu violated the law. When will she be appropriately prosecuted and censured by the Senate?

As for Nagin, he couldn't cut it as a Republican so we kicked him to the Dems curb. Sloppy seconds for you folks.

Ty@50 09-07-2005 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Senator Landrieu violated the law. When will she be appropriately prosecuted and censured by the Senate?
turns out she loses her seat, then she gains a lot more seat IYKWIM.

Shape Shifter 09-07-2005 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Ty@50
she loses her seat, then she gains a lot more seat IYKWIM.
Okay, now I don't really think this is Ty. Even @ 50, I don't see him making big ass jokes.

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

Poll numbers out! Hank right/libs wrong. Pelosi and her ilk will be losing seats if they don't shut up.
http://www.iowapresidentialwatch.com...shsFaultMd.JPG

Secret_Agent_Man 09-07-2005 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I have been involved in community service in each of the communities I have lived in for 25 years. I don't need you to validate me. Whatever great knowledge you think you have gleaned from my posts here is meaningless in the real world.
Awfully bold assumption in that last sentence.

S_A_M

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:50 PM

the worm continues to turn towards Nagin
 
From the ultra conservative BBC:

There are questions for the mayor, dubbed heroic by some, to answer.

The evacuation

It was announced at a news conference by the Mayor Ray Nagin on Sunday 28 August, less than 24 hours before the hurricane struck early the next morning.

The question has to be asked: Why was it not ordered earlier?

The Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said at the same news conference that President Bush had called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation.

The night before, National Hurricane Director Max Mayfield had called Mayor Nagin to tell him that an evacuation was needed. Why were these calls necessary?


School buses still lined up after the hurricane

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...5970_buses.jpg


Again, as with Fema, the New Orleans mayor would or should have known that on the Saturday, Katrina was strengthening.

It was already clear on the Sunday that the evacuation would not cover many of the poor, the sick and those who did not pay heed.

The mayor said people going to the Superdome, a sports venue named as an alternative destination for those unable to leave, should bring supplies for several days. He also said police could commandeer any vehicle for the evacuation.

But how much support was there at the Superdome? And how much city transport was actually used? There is a photo showing city school buses still lined up, in waterlogged parking lots, after the hurricane.

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Ty@50
turns out she loses her seat, then she gains a lot more seat IYKWIM.
ID. Superchunky.

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 04:54 PM

Your federal government working for you.
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Awfully bold assumption in that last sentence.

S_A_M
Is that a reference to mcbvr6?

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 05:34 PM

killer wind
 
From OpinionJournal Best of the Web:

Notable and Quotable

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died."--Fat Teddy K on Hurricane Katrina

" "--Mary Jo Kopechne on Hurricane Katrina

sebastian_dangerfield 09-07-2005 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I thought the hurricane took care of any need for Nagin's resignation. If a city has no residents does it require a Mayor?
The biggest shame in all of this is that Katrina didn't hit DC.

Nut Case, Sensitive 09-07-2005 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The biggest shame in all of this is that Katrina didn't hit DC.
Or Seattle.

Bad_Rich_Chic 09-07-2005 05:43 PM

Katrina Donations
 
FWIW, inspired by Weed, I've volunteered to sponsor the site for one month if Katrina donations hit $2,500 and another month if they hit the $3,000 mark.

So keep it coming and try to turn me into a DebtSlave again.

BR(er, no pressure, anyone)C

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
Or Seattle.
this makes no sense. This is the land of your comrades. I am the token Patriot. Plus I am well armed and a very good swimmer, relatively.

eta: ntm, without microsoft tech support and starbucks, y'all'd be in a world of hurt

Penske_Account 09-07-2005 06:09 PM

Whatever happened to......
 
the shrilly shreiking harpy Cindy Sheehan?


http://www.strangepolitics.com/image...ent/109872.jpg

Sexual Harassment Panda 09-07-2005 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
eta: ntm, without microsoft tech support and starbucks, y'all'd be in a world of hurt
I believe ncs said Seattle, not Bangalore.

And for the other, we have Peet's.

notcasesensitive 09-07-2005 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
I believe ncs said Seattle, not Bangalore.

And for the other, we have Peet's.
I am not generally case sensitive, however in light of the similarity of monikers, perhaps you should put NCS when talking about the squirrel and ncs for me. I was confused as to what I purportedly said there for a moment. That is all. Carry on.

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2005 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I am not generally case sensitive, however in light of the similarity of monikers, perhaps you should put NCS when talking about the squirrel and ncs for me. I was confused as to what I purportedly said there for a moment. That is all. Carry on.
Can you please provide a scenario under which the average poster would have some reason to refer to NutCS?

Nut Case, Sensitive 09-07-2005 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I am not generally case sensitive, however in light of the similarity of monikers, perhaps you should put NCS when talking about the squirrel and ncs for me. I was confused as to what I purportedly said there for a moment. That is all. Carry on.
Please, just call me NUTS! Or, wait, did Penske invent that?

And acorns to you, ncs.

ltl/fb 09-07-2005 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
Please, just call me NUTS! Or, wait, did Penske invent that?

And acorns to you, ncs.
Are cute little squirrels running around ever infected with rabies, or did I make that up?

Nut Case, Sensitive 09-07-2005 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Can you please provide a scenario under which the average poster would have some reason to refer to NutCS?
Ah, the self referential post! You Nut, you!

Nut Case, Sensitive 09-07-2005 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Are cute little squirrels running around ever infected with rabies, or did I make that up?
Everyone's talking about me!

More a raccoon problem than a squirrel problem. But STDs can be real problems for squirrels.

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2005 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Are cute little squirrels running around ever infected with rabies, or did I make that up?
Are there squirrels where you live now? Were there where you used to live? Do armadillos eat squirrels? Have you ever eaten armadillo and/or squirrel?

Sexual Harassment Panda 09-07-2005 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Can you please provide a scenario under which the average poster would have some reason to refer to NutCS?
I just did. Carry on.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-07-2005 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Chertoff is awful. I know he was brought in to cover for Brown, who is clearly incompetent, but his answers at the initial press conference that he held were embarrassing. I find the whole "two catastrophes" line of reasoning that he trotted out to be flawed and I'm saddened that he even tried to pass it off. And telling the reporter who asked why the failure of the levees was not a foreseeable effect of the hurricane that he was being argumentative was idiocy. It was in their fucking plan a year ago.

I really haven't heard much out of the governor. I wouldn't assume that a state such as Louisiana would have a lot in the way of resources to tap into to help matters now, but maybe I'm wrong. I mean, California had to max out FEMA help after the Northridge earthquake and Louisiana is no California in terms of resources.

The mayor's actions before the hurricane hit were clearly lacking, but I'm not sure what he could be doing post-disaster to make things better. I think begging for state and federal aid is about all he has in his bag of tricks at this point. Maybe also begging police to return to duty.


ETF bag of tricks, not book of tricks.
I did not see the news conference, but I have always thought well of Chertoff, who seems to be at least as competent as most Latham & Watkins partners, a fairly competent bunch. But if the head of FEMA is an unqualified dope, and the #2 and #3 guys there are unqualified dopes, then there's not much Chertoff can do.


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