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Unfortunately, that's probably bush's take on the survey.

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What percentage of line soldiers in WWII wanted to go home right then? I bet it was close to this number. No one wants to stay in a combat zone.

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While it's true nobody likes to be shot at, I doubt 42% of line soldiers in WWII didn't know why they were there.

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something close to that, probably blamed the Jews. Read Focus.

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How about the gas tax? A recent poll showed a majority supported an increased tax if it reduced dependence on foreign oil or if it helped reduce harm to the environment.

Separately, the NYT carried an op-ed (or was it the WSJ) proposing that any gas tax increase be offset by a reduction in the payroll tax at the bottom end--i.e., an exclusion for the first X dollars of income. Seems to counter the argument that a gas tax hits the working class the most. RT--comments (I think you were the one most concerned with this aspect of an increased gas tax).

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OASDI or Medicare or both?

It'd be donut-y, like the prescription drug benefit, to the extent it's OASDI.

Mmmm, donuts.

Also liking what Scooter's doing with saying he needs access to something he probably pretty damn sure, if not actually damn sure, he can't get, so that they have to stop the prosecution. Nice. What an ass. Though his boss is more of an ass. As is his boss's boss.

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It wasn't that refined, but I suspect OASDI. I guess it's an mmmm, doughnut, but that's not important. I suppose there's a problem with admin. because either if people change jobs, they'll underpay or people would have to get an exclusion on their income tax filing. But in principal it seems like a good way to target the benefits. retirees would be pissed of course, because they don't pay oasdi. But they can suck it because 1) they don't need to drive much and 2) they ought to stay off the roads anyway.

As for scooter, I'd blame his lawyer. But it's a criminal case--throw up what you can and see what sticks--that one didn't.

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I don't want to fight about this survey, Hank, but that is an different question, though feelings about the one undoubtedly influence the other.

The troops weren't asked -- "Do you want to go home, and when?" Rather, the question was whether _all_ U.S. troops should be withdrawn from Iraq "immediately"; "withdrawn within 6 months"; "withdrawn within 6-12 months"; or "stay as long as it takes." The responses are also sorted by service status (Reserves, NG, Regular Army, Marines) and show some differences in the views between the services.

While 52% of the Marines said the U.S. should stay as long as it takes, I bet an even larger majority would be personally happy to be sent home asap.

I could be wrong, but I doubt that a large percentage of U.S troops in WWII thought that the U.S. should just get out of the war.

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My mention of the texture of a cervix killed the board.

Pussies.

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You just made me go back and re-read your post, adn you didn't event mention the texture. Curse you!

(I've only noticed that they feel kind of hard, and that unexpected contact can give everyone involved quite a jolt, but that's for another board.)

S_A_M

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I just raised a whole bunch of Green for Campbell for the last few days of the election.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.....

DeLay fights for his political life in Texas By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

SUGAR LAND, Texas (Reuters) - He has been indicted, rebuked and dethroned from his Republican leadership perch, but Tom DeLay's fight for re-election to Congress could be the biggest challenge in a long political career.

DeLay, nicknamed "the Hammer" for the blunt way he wielded power during 22 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, has been swamped by ethics allegations that have made him a prime Democratic target in November's elections and a national symbol for charges of Republican corruption.

Once one of Washington's most powerful politicians, DeLay is scrambling to fight a Texas legal indictment and hold off challengers from both parties in his House race in the suburbs of Houston.

"You never know how well an election will go for an indicted person," DeLay acknowledged in an interview with Reuters after a recent breakfast with Houston-area realtors.

"Getting beat up by the national media and the Houston Chronicle has taken its toll," DeLay said, referring to the local newspaper. "It's polarized my district, you either love me or hate me. Thank God there are still more that love me."

The combative former House Republican leader will begin to learn how many folks at home still love him on Tuesday, when he faces three challengers in a Republican primary.

If he survives, he will square off in November against former Democratic congressman Nick Lampson in one of the country's most high-profile, expensive and no doubt bitter races.

"DeLay is in trouble. The primary is no sure thing and the general election is even more dangerous," said Richard Murray, a political analyst at the University of Houston.

"Much of this is totally beyond his control," he said. "If he gets convicted in Texas or indicted in Washington, it would be the end for DeLay."

REDISTRICTING CHALLENGE

DeLay, indicted in Texas last year on campaign finance charges, resigned from his leadership post in January. He has been rebuked by the House ethics committee and linked to a corruption scandal involving disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and former DeLay aides. He has not been charged in the Abramoff probe.

DeLay has denied wrongdoing in both cases and says the allegations are politically motivated. His rivals say DeLay's pugnacious style is simply catching up to him.

"This is the epicenter of a national debate on how we conduct the public's business. He believes in a hardball, win at any cost version of slash-and-burn politics that I think is wrong," Tom Campbell, a former DeLay supporter and now his top primary challenger, told Reuters.

Lampson calls DeLay a "bully" and said voters in the district have tired of his style.

"He has left us a legacy of debt, corruption and neglect, and he can't run from it," Lampson said. "I think it's something he has helped usher into our Congress that people would like to see changed."

DeLay compounded his troubles when he engineered a Texas redistricting plan that in 2004 helped take six House seats from Democrats, including Lampson, by making their districts more Republican.

To help his Republican neighbors, DeLay added Democrats to his district, including a patch of Lampson's old turf. DeLay's district, including some of the country's fastest-growing suburbs south of Houston, has been flooded by new residents with little allegiance to him.

DeLay's redistricting plan has been challenged in the courts, and the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case on Wednesday.

Polls show DeLay's support has dropped since the indictment and Abramoff publicity, with a USA Today/Gallup poll in December showing him losing to an unnamed Democratic opponent and scoring a favorability rating of just 37 percent.

"I'm bothered by all the investigations and scandals," said Veniece Griffin, a Missouri City Republican who plans to vote for Campbell. "DeLay has had 20 years, and he's not representing me."

DeLay is taking the challenge seriously, hitting the campaign trail hard to tout his ability to win money for the district and reminding audiences of his long service.

At the realtors' breakfast gathering, he recalled his days a pest exterminator in the area. "I crawled under a lot of your houses and through a lot of your attics," DeLay said.

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One of the other things that Hank knows about me but is too polite to mention is that I also subscribe to the Harpers magazine. Now that Iraq is sliding into the civil war most of us thought wouldn't happen in a worst case scenario until after we declared victory and left the Iraqis to their own devices (yes, those kind), isn't it time we started discussing the case for impeachment?

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Bush is never going to be impeached and then removed from office. The Dems would need to control two thirds of the Senate which is almost impossible for them to do in 2006 because only a third of the seats are up.

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John Conyers is your intellectual voice?

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"And I left bodies of dead Democrats under a lot of them," he continued. "So you cocksuckers better remember who to support in this election, or you're going to jail with me, and you'll be ass-raped by my fellow GOP insider inmates before nightfall. Wait, are those microphones still on?"

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Aren't there any Republican Senators concerned about the way Bush and his cronies are shitting all over the constitution in their rush to establish a theocratic police state? Cheney can't get them all.

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Ad hominem? I thought this was the board where you came to act smart.

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No point trying to act smart when you're here. When your big brainy engine gets moving the rest of us smaller trains just need to get off the track.

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No. No there aren't.

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There aren't 22 of them.

Thomas The Wank Engine.
 

Why do you keep beating yourself up like this? Everyone in the Lawtalkers community has a voice and a role to play, yea even unto the smallest and most insignificant. Step into the light, Hank.

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Speaking of "old" news cycles - how's that Rove indictment going?

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President Cheney does have a nice sound to it.

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Sure, but once they take away his gun and put him inside the hermetically-sealed bubble to prolong his life through Nov. 2008, how much harm can the man really do?

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Perhaps you could explain to the families of these people that Iraq is old news. That will make them feel better.

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who knew Yankton really existed?

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I propose we increase the gas tax by three cents a year, every year, indefinitely.

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I think we should have a flat tax on lobbyist income. I'm up for raising this annually as well.

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Translation: That Rove indictment (and subsequent frogmarch) ain't going so good.

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You don't think the Scooter stuff will end up implicating Rove? If you say so.

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Forgive Slave. He expects these things to take just a few weeks to materialize. Like Starr's investigation of Clinton.

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That's fucked in the head. And I'm not feeling forgiving today. I think he can live without my forgiveness, though.

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Ever wonder what the people protesting outside abortion clinics and holding pictures of dead fetuses would do if Roe were actually overturned? I guess they'd move to blue states and picket clinics there, kind of like a lot of annoying pseudo-Deadheads chose to follow Phish for a while after Jerry died. Both crowds really needed actual lives. The Dead sucked from 92 forward, and abortion is like the Israel/Pleastinian battle... its a boring Gordian Knot. Give. It. Up. Already. People. Quit trying to save fetuses and get a goddammed life.

I'd like to see the Supremes invalidate the law without getting to its merits. It would be great if the Supremes sua sponte flipped off an order saying that a state legislature's craven attempt to set up a constitutional challenge, with no concern for the effect such grandstanding has on its citizens, violates (insert constitutional cite here). It'd be hysterical if we got prcedent on the books that said waterheaded state douchebags can't interfere with the important business of the Republic on petty shit like abortion.*

*Yes, its fucking petty. Its between the woman and her doc, and the guy who knocked her up (to a degree) and no one else.

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I am doing my part. I burned through two tankfulls driving my SUV 320 miles in the past two days.

I could have driven my wife's car, but the truck has such a better stereo.

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I was at a GOP rally last night. I attend Dem rallies every now and again as well.

Both are forced by business interests (is there ever any other reason to get within pissing distance of a politician?).

Anyhoo... It was funny to listen to both bullshit themselves. The hardened Dems talk of stupid naive shiite like "justice for the common man" (whatever the fuck that claptrap means... I guess these idiots presume they don't fuck the common man quite as hard as the GOP does, which is utter bullshit). The GOP offers platitudes about how its "taking things back for the people who help the economy" (taking things back? when did the captains of industry - even small industry - not control things? What they really mean is taking "more" for the people who are shit scared of a tax increase coming in the next decade...).

I smile and suck cock for both crowds, because it benefits me to kiss the pricks' asses and pretend to believe their self-deluding nonsense. When I vote, I tend to come down on the side of whoever gives me a better deal. Right now, that's the GOP. You also get much better food and booze from the GOP. The fucking Dems don't hand out cigars or good finger foods. But the Dems get a much cuter crowd of women (the three fuckable ones in the place).

My point? Fuck them both. A pox on both their houses. I wish them all oozing anal chancres and/or a .22 slug between the eyes. We'd be better off without the lot of them.

Vote Libertarian - Give Darwin a Bigger Say in Things.

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If that was you I flippd off, hey man, I'm sorry - but if I stopped for every rolled-over SUV looking for some help to get back on track I'd never get anywhere.

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Shocking. You'd think they'd want to stay.

Can you find me the link on how many people want to be at work on any given day?

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Full time 4WD, and it weighs more than some trailer homes. I ask myself, "Sebby, why do you need that? You could downgrade to a much less substantial truck." Then I think, "naaaaaah."

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In my perfect world, you would write one of every 25 majority opinions for the US Supreme Court.

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You miss the point. I don't want to be at work, but I don't think everyone should leave. (Spanky, especially, needs to stay, so we can get more wildlife stories.)