LawTalkers - The babyjesuschristsuperstar on Board: filling the moral void of Clinton’s legacy

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yeah, but by diminishing the value of the franchise, it also harms the owner. Like continuing to boycott dominos.

Sounds like curves is a really expensive health club for a pro-choice person.

I see your point. I'm just saying that boycotts are sometimes a tough call in practical terms.

taxwonk

03-02-2006 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Stop it, both of you. Take out 'Italian" from the last two posts and put in "Irish" or "scrawny little dim queer" and see how you feel.

The Romans were the first Italians, and they killed Jesus.

taxwonk

03-02-2006 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Mmmmmm.....lesbian ninjas.....

With mayo. Oops, wrong board.

taxwonk

03-02-2006 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by ironweed
You've eaten Domino's? I mean, since you were old enough to order pizza yourself?

If someone could find a reason to boycott Red Bull I'd have a trifecta going.

It tastes like ass. Isn't that reason enough?

taxwonk

03-02-2006 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Kind of raises an interesting question about private government, too. Nothing wrong with having your beliefs. Nothing wrong with living only with people who share those beliefs. Nothing wrong with having restrictive covenants that guarantee your neighbors will share your beliefs. Nothing wrong with having restrictive covenants that mutually limit your exercise of constitutional rights. Right?

Wrong. I'm pretty sure we had a whole war about this and settled it back in the 19th Century.

ltl/fb

03-02-2006 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
And how do the owners of the companies figure out which part of a decline in sales is related to the boycott of the week and which part is because of their competition, etc.? I'm not disagreeing with you, merely asking a practical question regarding the effectiveness of the actions.

Really, Target doesn't do birth control? I'm totally taking my new prescription to them this weekend, just to see if they reject it. Dunno if I will boycott them.

Why would they not sell BCPs when they sell condoms?

taxwonk

03-02-2006 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
similar to Domino's boycott- even when Monaghan owned the company. of course Domino's doesn't help anyone lose weight so that part is different, but the hurting Franchisees part is the same.

Query: Why does Detroit create 2 of the 3 biggest horrible pizza chains?

Bad Italians?

greatwhitenorthchick

03-02-2006 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Really, Target doesn't do birth control? I'm totally taking my new prescription to them this weekend, just to see if they reject it. Dunno if I will boycott them.

Why would they not sell BCPs when they sell condoms?

I think that they are just not selling the morning-after pill if a pharmacist has an objection, subject to such pharmacist making sure that the prescription gets filled elsewhere.

ETA - of course, you can "make" a morning-after pill out of regular BCPs, so I don't really see the point of making a distinction. But I could be wrong about what Target is doing - maybe it is a complete refusal to sell BCPs.

notcasesensitive

03-02-2006 05:05 PM

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gwnc said it is morning after pills. I have no idea. Today is the first I have heard of this.

taxwonk

03-02-2006 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Sometimes these boycotts do require some thought - especially if you wonder whether it will really have any effect.

Or if it's going to be more personally inconvenient.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
boycott Citibank,

Doesn't that mean boycotting every credit card company? Or is it just that every credit card company is ultimately owned by citibank?

(personally, I'd boycott them for locating in a state that apparently has no usury laws, or at least the least restrictive usury laws within the U.S.).

Replaced_Texan

03-02-2006 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
If is mainly the policies I worry about. But if the main shareholder is putting the profits to nefarious uses, then they get on the list. Target is not providing birthcontrol because they are afraid of the backlash from social conservatives. We need to teach them that the backlash from social libertarians is even worse. If we don't boycott them, how can you blame Target for not carrying contraception? Their job is maximise profits for the shareholders. As the consumer it is our job to convince them that in order to maximise profits for their shareholders they need to do the right thing.

Pretty simple, and not that difficult.

Its a lot easier than going to rallies and much more effective.

Power to the People.

I compromise. I don't get my drugs at Target, but I buy stuff like rawhide bones and toilet paper and detergent and the Lady and the Tramp DVD there.

I sleep relatively uneasily at night over this, but it's sure as hell better than shopping at Wal-Mart.

sgtclub

03-02-2006 05:44 PM

India Nuclear Deal

Thoughts? Seems to me this is an important step, but what do I know?

Replaced_Texan

03-02-2006 05:50 PM

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The issue at Target is that they'll let their pharmacists refuse to fill a prescription on moral or religious grounds. There is one (disputed by Target) case so far of a woman being refused her morning-after-pill prescription.

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Target's policy allows its pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for moral and religious reasons. If they take this option, pharmacists are required to ensure that the prescription is filled in a timely and respectful manner by another Target pharmacist or at a different pharmacy.

Target's Michaud would not amplify about why the company denies that a refusal occurred, even though Pourchot's account does not suggest the pharmacist broke the store's stated policy.

The pharmacy department at the Fenton, Mo., store declined to comment on the matter and referred a call for comment to the company's public relations office.

Hoping to use public pressure to compel Target to change its refuse-and-refer policy, Planned Parenthood supporters held demonstrations outside Target stores around the country on Dec. 17, a key Christmas shopping day. Planned Parenthood is also encouraging consumers to write letters and sign an online petition to get the store to change its policy.

The hope is that Target will join a group of stores--including Eckerd Corporation, Costco, CVS, Fagen's, Harris Teeter, Kmart, Price Chopper Supermarkets and Super Valu--that, according to Planned Parenthood, have implemented policies to ensure prescriptions of emergency contraception are filled on site and without delay.

Aside from Target, chains that have not implemented policies guaranteeing rapid, onsite filling of emergency contraception prescriptions include Rite Aid, Walgreens, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Winn Dixie Stores, according to Planned Parenthood.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

03-02-2006 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Doesn't that mean boycotting every credit card company? Or is it just that every credit card company is ultimately owned by citibank?

(personally, I'd boycott them for locating in a state that apparently has no usury laws, or at least the least restrictive usury laws within the U.S.).

Oregon has no usury laws to speak of. "Payday Advance" places charging interest rates that work out to several hundred percent annually? No problem! Maybe Citibank can relocate here to avoid the boycott issues.

Shape Shifter

03-02-2006 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Thoughts? Seems to me this is an important step, but what do I know?

Towards what?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
The issue at Target is that they'll let their pharmacists refuse to fill a prescription on moral or religious grounds.

. If they take this option, pharmacists are required to ensure that the prescription is filled in a timely and respectful manner by another Target pharmacist or at a different pharmacy.

While I don't like someone not providing service, it seems entirely reasonable to let a particular employee morally object to doing something, so long as there is another one there. I'm not quite so sure about sending a person to a different pharmacy, but how is this otherwise different from when your 18 yo waitron tells you they have to get a 21 yo waitress to take your drink order? Mild inconvenience, sure. But shouldn't an employer be able to choose to accomodate employees in this way?

And, BTW, I'm pretty sure we've all been on the flipside of being told to represent a detestable client. Did you like it?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Towards what?

towards getting the border area between pakistan and afghanistan nuked back to the stone age* by someone other than us?

* This assumes that area is not currently in the stone age, which may not be a reasonable assumption.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Oregon has no usury laws to speak of. "Payday Advance" places charging interest rates that work out to several hundred percent annually? No problem! Maybe Citibank can relocate here to avoid the boycott issues.

They kill old people in Oregon, don't they?

Gattigap

03-02-2006 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

While I don't like someone not providing service, it seems entirely reasonable to let a particular employee morally object to doing something, so long as there is another one there. I'm not quite so sure about sending a person to a different pharmacy, but how is this otherwise different from when your 18 yo waitron tells you they have to get a 21 yo waitress to take your drink order? Mild inconvenience, sure. But shouldn't an employer be able to choose to accomodate employees in this way?

Sure. Phil can sit in the back and worship crystals for all I care so long as Ed or Frieda or someone back there will fill the goddamned thing. It's not like I have a deep personal relationship with my pharmacist.

But going to another pharmacy? Uncool. Same thing for being told to come back in an hour, or tomorrow, or whenever the "pro-choice" pharmacist is in.

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And, BTW, I'm pretty sure we've all been on the flipside of being told to represent a detestable client. Did you like it?

No shit. My firm represents, uh, one of the detestable clients mentioned today. I'd raise this philosophical dilemma in the next firmwide meeting, but fear that I'd be brained over the head with a shovel and buried on the spot by the managing partner.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap

No shit. My firm represents, uh, one of the detestable clients mentioned today. I'd raise this philosophical dilemma in the next firmwide meeting, but fear that I'd be brained over the head with a shovel and buried on the spot by the managing partner.

heh. My former firm has a solution for moral objections, which they allowed with respect to one major client whom everybody hated (and I guess still hates). You could object to working on those matters, but if you did, you generally got assigned to a massive insurance case, Superfund case, or other huge litigation.

Replaced_Texan

03-02-2006 06:10 PM

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There was an interesting (to me anyways) article a few weeks ago in the Houston Press about the various ways low income people can get screwed looking for quick cash: Pawn shops, rent-to-own places, check cashing places, tax refund anticipation loans, buy-here-pay-here used car places.

dtb	03-02-2006 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Pitchers can be wiry- catchers are scrawny.

Silly me -- I was reading these posts backward, and actually thought you were discussing baseball.

dtb	03-02-2006 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
[...] it's for all intensive purposes [...]

Probably STP, but...

Ohnoyoudi'int.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

03-02-2006 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
They kill old people in Oregon, don't they?

John Ashcroft thinks Oregon makes the baby jesus cry. That's something.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

03-02-2006 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
There was an interesting (to me anyways) article a few weeks ago in the Houston Press about the various ways low income people can get screwed looking for quick cash: Pawn shops, rent-to-own places, check cashing places, tax refund anticipation loans, buy-here-pay-here used car places.

There's talk of state or local legislation to stop the payday advance scams. The lower income parts of town are crawling with them.

Thankfully, our strip clubs are well protected by the state constitution.

dtb	03-02-2006 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I live next door to a Target. It's too damned convenient.

Is it more or less convenient as an unintended pregnancy would be inconvenient?

Replaced_Texan

03-02-2006 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
Probably STP, but...

Ohnoyoudi'int.

No worries. It's a popular website.

ltl/fb

03-02-2006 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Sure. Phil can sit in the back and worship crystals for all I care so long as Ed or Frieda or someone back there will fill the goddamned thing. It's not like I have a deep personal relationship with my pharmacist.

But going to another pharmacy? Uncool. Same thing for being told to come back in an hour, or tomorrow, or whenever the "pro-choice" pharmacist is in.

2. You've gotta have one person there willing to touch the BCPs.

I'm happy for the elucidation on this stuff as Target is way out of my way and parking is a bitch. Though ncs, who it seems can always find on-street parking, disputes this. The accumulated junk-food wrappers maybe are blocking my view.

Replaced_Texan

03-02-2006 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
There's talk of state or local legislation to stop the payday advance scams. The lower income parts of town are crawling with them.

Thankfully, our strip clubs are well protected by the state constitution.

This article sort of suggested that that type of legislation needs to happen in Texas too. It seems like a pretty vicious cycle and one easy to fall into, especially, I guess ironically, if your credit is pretty fucked up to begin with.

The article sort of followed one woman's credit history in what they called the "fringe economy" and I suspect her story is not atypical. There were quite a few letters to the editor sneering at her cycle of debt, but I imagine affulent people get into the same sort of trouble with more legitimate credit card debt, which is at least regulated.

ltl/fb

03-02-2006 06:37 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/.../food_warnings

I would think the problem with the state laws could be solved by food manufacturers simply not supplying certain foods to CA because of the overly burdensome labeling laws. If the people of CA want the products enough, they will repeal the laws. Don't see why we need to get the feds involved and preempt and all.*

*Um, I should not need to tell you that I am not really serious about the whole market thing here.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I imagine affulent people get into the same sort of trouble with more legitimate credit card debt, which is at least regulated.

One might make the observation that these fringe credit organizations are able to exist precisely because the regulation of legitimate credit card debt makes it impossible to profit by extending credit to certain segments of society.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/.../food_warnings

I would think the problem with the state laws could be solved by food manufacturers simply not supplying certain foods to CA because of the overly burdensome labeling laws. If the people of CA want the products enough, they will repeal the laws. Don't see why we need to get the feds involved and preempt and all.*

*Um, I should not need to tell you that I am not really serious about the whole market thing here.

If you federalize food regulation in the first place (hi FDR!), this is what you get.

ltl/fb

03-02-2006 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
If you federalize food regulation in the first place (hi FDR!), this is what you get.

"Small federal gov't" Republicans extending Federal control? This isn't an inevitable outcome.

Sexual Harassment Panda

03-02-2006 08:14 PM

Just a Misunderstanding

Dubai Ports deal to close tomorrow or Monday.

45 days? ? No, no, no - we said "4 to 5" days.

Tyrone Slothrop

03-02-2006 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Don't know if this has come up already, but now anyone who is pro-choice is now supposed to boycott Citibank, Gateway, Iams pet food and South Dakota tourism, all because of the recent SD bill. I don't buy Iams, don't have a Gateway computer, and am not planning a trip to Mount Rushmore, so I'm ok there, but I do bank at Citibank because it's private banking through my firm, and would be a pain in the ass to switch, and I probably would not get the same deal. Sometimes these boycotts do require some thought - especially if you wonder whether it will really have any effect.

I thought Gateway moved to San Diego.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-02-2006 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
"Small federal gov't" Republicans extending Federal control? This isn't an inevitable outcome.

once you've conceded that it's a federal issue, you might as well ensure the rules are consistent.

Spanky

03-02-2006 10:59 PM

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When it comes to child labour there is no competition. If it is something like birth control, they can see what their sales are like when they have birth control and when they don't. Plus, they can always do marketing surveys. These companies are pretty good at figuring out why and why not their products are selling.

Spanky

03-02-2006 11:03 PM

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If you are boycotting those stores just because they are headquartered in South Dakota that is really stupid. If that is not the case, what do Citibank, Gateway and Iams have to do with Abortion?

Tyrone Slothrop

03-02-2006 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Thoughts? Seems to me this is an important step, but what do I know?

Either Bush is doing his utmost to destroy the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, or he just doesn't give a rip. Either way, he's going to look bad when Congress declines to back him up, and it's not going to help relations with India. More.

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