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Penske_Account 07-18-2005 10:44 PM

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sgtclub 07-18-2005 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I don't know what you drink. I'm just picking something I thought you enjoyed. Say Johnny Walker Green. I've been itching to try that stuff...
Bookers is fine. Or Woodford Reserve. I've never had JWG so that will work as well.

And the original bid was conviction, not indictment.

sgtclub 07-18-2005 10:47 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I won't deny that there are Democrats who like to play this game, but it's Rove particular gameplan to drive the polarization. There's a reason things are worse in the last few years, and it has to do with the party in power. Oh, and being in power makes you just a little more responsible than the opposition.
Dissent. Things got really nasty during the election fiasco and only temporarily subsided from 9/11 to the beginning of the Iraq debate.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-18-2005 10:51 PM

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Technical difficulties. Move along.

Gattigap 07-18-2005 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Umm, Susan McDougal ring a bell.
Yes. I take your point, and I'd have to read more about Miller (and remember more about McDougal) to try to distinguish the two, so that'll have to wait for another day.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-18-2005 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Sebby bets with his head...
Well, I'm not betting heavy here for good reason. I'd say its 50/50 that Fitzgerald comes back with an indictment. Gatti's right; Fitz will look like a real jackass for jailing Miller if he comes up blank. But on the other hand, how would he ever complete the investigation without forcing the reporters' testimony? He doesn't want to be the next Ken Starr getting run out of town on a rail.

I want a mini-Watergate, but anyone who knows me here knows I'm faithless, and cynical. But I don't mind buying a bottle of scotch. In my view, the forces of good have already won. A liar's been screwed in every orifice in the press and these self righteous bastards have ben brought down to Earth. Like I said, the "win" is in watching them twist. The indictment would be a grand slam, but I still think its a dicey bet... My thinking is Fitz issuees a scathing report either way, to cover his ass.

sgtclub 07-18-2005 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
My thinking is Fitz issuees a scathing report either way, to cover his ass.
Want to go double or nothing on this? Sebby, you seem to think that there has been a cover up here. At least where Rove is concerned, there hasn't. He disclosed his Cooper conversation via email (yes, there is a record) to the #2 guy at National Security shortly after it occured, the WH turned the email over to the SP over a year ago, and Rove has voluntarily waived any privilege and has testified to the grand jury. Is it possible that there is something that we don't know? Sure, but the evidence is far to thin at this point to justify all of the hysterics.

Penske_Account 07-18-2005 11:00 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Dissent. Things got really nasty during the election fiasco and only temporarily subsided from 9/11 to the beginning of the Iraq debate.
Which is shame. As I watched the Towers fall, with my labradours as my witnesses, I wondered aloud, if the liberal leadership of the Demo party (and their comrades throughout the socialist states of the Western half of the European continent and also their friends in the mythical land of Palestine that never really existed) would have the moral and intestinal fortitude to put aside the bitterly irrational partisan rancor that the Clinton years had spawned and stand strong in the long and hard battle that would be the War on Terrorism. Not for two weeks or two months but for the mission. Being tragically prescient and a terminal cynic, I doubted the resolve and unfortunately was rewarded with a gold star for my prognosticable skills. It was one award I wish I had not earned.

At this point, after a number of viscious attacks on my own person, rather than effective rebuttals of ideas, I feel soiled and put upon. Probably not unlike Juanita after she was raped by the impeached ex-President Clinton. There is a 7:30 Mass at my local Cathedral....I think I will go and light another candle for Mary Jo Kopechne and say a prayer for her unborn baby's soul.

Good night.

Diane_Keaton 07-19-2005 12:16 AM

Mary Jo Kopechne Memorial Day
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I sent my letter of outrage, but it turned up missing. I suspect it is in Syria with Iraq's wmds, the functioning part of Terri Schiavo's brain, and Juanita Broaddrick's rape kit.
POTY.

Diane_Keaton 07-19-2005 12:37 AM

The Terrorism "Experts"
 
Owner of terrorist intel company Juval Aviv (who says he's a consultant for Fox News and also a "special consultant" to Congress on terrorism issues) says a terror attack in the US is imminent, could be tomorrow but, we have AT THE MOST, 90 days.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161962,00.html


You know, if these guys are so sure of this shit, they have to know at least *some* details (time/place please?) about the info he says he's hearing and my cynical side says they're holding back for $$ reasons, like this dude has a book out on how to stay safe in a terror attack. Another big attack in the US would land him millions. I'd pry stuff out of him in inhumane ways. Fucker.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
No attack politics started with the Borking incident
I'm always mystified when conservatives say this, because Bork was opposed on the basis of his (outre) beliefs, not on the basis of his personal peccadiloes. The word "borking" has come to signify something other than what happened to Judge Bork.

sgtclub 07-19-2005 01:25 AM

For Gatti
 
http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s1...ef%20032305%20(Final).PDF

This is the amicus brief filed by 36 news organizations in the Cooper/Miller case. I'm no litigator, but when it says that "serious doubt" is cast on whether the Intelligence Identities Protection Act has been violated, I take notice.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 02:01 AM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Dissent. Things got really nasty during the election fiasco and only temporarily subsided from 9/11 to the beginning of the Iraq debate.
Things were nasty during the election fiasco for good reason. But the ruling party has regularly found good reason to amp the polarization since then. They're doing it right now to keep Republicans together, since the Democrats alone can't do much in Congress without GOP help.

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 11:34 AM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm always mystified when conservatives say this, because Bork was opposed on the basis of his (outre) beliefs, not on the basis of his personal peccadiloes. The word "borking" has come to signify something other than what happened to Judge Bork.
Ty the attacks were based on lies, distortions and defamatory schmears. That is a borking. Also, please explain the point of a demo senate staffer obtaining and leaking the list of movies he rented from his local video store in the first weeks after the appointment.

Here is an example of the lies and smear rhetoric from a man who while drunk drove his car into the drink and then cowardly left a young girl (who was carrying the lovechild of either him or his late brother?) to die a brutally horrific death while he went to his wealthy parents' home, napped, showered and initiated a lie-filled coverup (ie Senator Edward Kennedy) -- "Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, children could not be taught about evolution"

Is there any shame on the left?

Sidd Finch 07-19-2005 11:47 AM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
"Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, children could not be taught about evolution"

Is there any shame on the left?

Perhaps not, but plenty of accuracy.

Sorry to hear that your hero Eric Rudolph is going away for life. You must be depressed -- I know how you respect a man of action.

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 12:15 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Perhaps not, but plenty of accuracy.

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If you believe that then you have exposed yourself as a doctrinaire leftwing nut and I thereby understand the level of kool aid intoxication that victimizes you such that you lack the moral and intestinal fortitude to disavow the racists, murderers, rapists and other felons and liars at the head of the evil cabal that you call a Demo Party.

When I was in Church yesterday praying for Mary Jo Kopechne I remembered that the Bible says that I must not hate my ideological enemies and so said a prayer for them too. That they come to their joint and several senses.

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch

Sorry to hear that your hero Eric Rudolph is going away for life. You must be depressed -- I know how you respect a man of action.
Nice try but no. Unlike the liberals I don't disrespect people of faith or the culture of life, but I do believe in the rule of law. Mr. Rudolph broke the law and his actions were properly addressed. If only Bill Clinton had respected the rule of law rather than obstructing the same and justice could have been served for Juanita. Raped. Or if Ted Kennedy had so respected the rule of law rather than obstructing it and justice could have been served for Mary Jo. Manslaughtered.

sgtclub 07-19-2005 12:44 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Things were nasty during the election fiasco for good reason. But the ruling party has regularly found good reason to amp the polarization since then. They're doing it right now to keep Republicans together, since the Democrats alone can't do much in Congress without GOP help.
Ty, you have become completely and utterly blind. This is going on on both sides. If you don't want to recognize that the DEMs are as much if not more to blame, there is no point in discussing this further.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
It's not leaks. It has now reached the level of common knowledge. I will wager 1 months sponsorship that no one will be convicted of a crime under that statute for the alleged Plame outing. Would you like to take that bet?
Someone will be convicted/plead guilty to a crime, but I would not be willing to limit it to that particular statute. If you're fine with that, we're on.

sgtclub 07-19-2005 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Someone will be convicted/plead guilty to a crime, but I would not be willing to limit it to that particular statute. If you're fine with that, we're on.
That's a little broad, isn't it? Someone will be convicted of something?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-19-2005 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
That's a little broad, isn't it? Someone will be convicted of something?
Seems pretty reasonable to me--half of the issue is that the WH didn't come clean right away. Sounds rather familiar, in fact.

Besides, Fitzgerald was picked by the WH, unlike Starr.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Dissent. Things got really nasty during the election fiasco and only temporarily subsided from 9/11 to the beginning of the Iraq debate.
Things got really nasty in the South Carolina Repulican primaries. Ask John McCain what he thinks of Karl Rove.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Nice try but no. Unlike the liberals I don't disrespect people of faith or the culture of life, but I do believe in the rule of law. Mr. Rudolph broke the law and his actions were properly addressed.
He was just exercising his rights under the 2d Amendment, no?

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
That's a little broad, isn't it? Someone will be convicted of something?
I'll limit the "someone" to Rove and/or Scooter.

sgtclub 07-19-2005 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Seems pretty reasonable to me--half of the issue is that the WH didn't come clean right away. Sounds rather familiar, in fact.

Besides, Fitzgerald was picked by the WH, unlike Starr.
Perhaps in a vacuum, but the bet came up in reference to the daily poundings of Rove, and apparently no one is willing to take that bet.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Perhaps in a vacuum, but the bet came up in reference to the daily poundings of Rove, and apparently no one is willing to take that bet.
I will bet that the phrase "daily poundings of Rove" soon takes on new meaning in the federal prison system.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-19-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Perhaps in a vacuum, but the bet came up in reference to the daily poundings of Rove, and apparently no one is willing to take that bet.
Because it's a sucker bet. All we know is the merits case, and it's pretty weak (although see today's WSJ describing a memo circulated within WH, noted as classified, that identified Plame.

It's unlikely anyone will be convicted under the covert agent act, probably because of the knowledge requirement. But there's always perjury. I mean, ask Penske about the difference between lying (like Rove did) and lying to a grand jury.

sgtclub 07-19-2005 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Because it's a sucker bet. All we know is the merits case, and it's pretty weak (although see today's WSJ describing a memo circulated within WH, noted as classified, that identified Plame.

It's unlikely anyone will be convicted under the covert agent act, probably because of the knowledge requirement. But there's always perjury. I mean, ask Penske about the difference between lying (like Rove did) and lying to a grand jury.
If it's a sucker bet, than people should admit that this is a political show rather than some nefarious plot to out Plame.

sgtclub 07-19-2005 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'll limit the "someone" to Rove and/or Scooter.
I don't know much about Scooter, but I'll take the Rove bet in a heartbeat.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-19-2005 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
If it's a sucker bet, than people should admit that this is a political show rather than some nefarious plot to out Plame.
Except that it was a nefarious plot . . . just not an illegal one.

I forget, are you in the "as long as it's legal, it's moral" camp with Penske?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-19-2005 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't know much about Scooter, but I'll take the Rove bet in a heartbeat.
BTW, it's all over around 9:01 tonight. there will be more interesting things for the press to focus on.

I guess Judith Miller won't get out until the first Monday in October.

Gattigap 07-19-2005 02:40 PM

New Rankings!
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Is this a ranking or a prediction? Epstein/Posner/Easterbrook have the same chane a sStarr, Ashcroft, and Bork, which is 0. Of course, they're not getting down to no. 12, which is why Gonzalez should be up a lot higher on the list.

I think Gonzalez is the pick. Edith Clement as dark horse.
It may well be a moot point by this evening, but CNN is breathlessly speculating that it's Clement. Berger, I don't know squat about Clement, but apparently you do. What's the scoop?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-19-2005 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
It may well be a moot point by this evening, but CNN is breathlessly speculating that it's Clement. Berger [sic], I don't know squat about Clement, but apparently you do. What's the scoop?
I don't know much, which is why she's an attractive alternative.

1) Female
2) Unlike Edith Jones, didn't write a vicious dissent in the attempt to reopen Roe v. Wade 30 years on.
3) Elevated by this President, so must have some friends in the right places.

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
But there's always perjury. I mean, ask Penske about the difference between lying (like Rove did) and lying to a grand jury.
Big difference. Perjury is an impeachable offence. And righteously so

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 02:51 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
He was just exercising his rights under the 2d Amendment, no?
1. A bomb is not agun. Notwithstanding the definition of "well armed" "arms", I don't have a problem with the reasonable regulation of explosives.

2. In this particular instance, even assuming an exercise of Second Amendment rights was occuring, his rights ended where the victims' persons started.

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Except that it was a nefarious plot . . . just not an illegal one.

I forget, are you in the "as long as it's legal, it's moral" camp with Penske?
I'm not sure I ever said that. Do you have cite? I think there is a distinction between legal and illegal, and also clearly defined concepts of good and evil/immoral; but evil/immoral does not always equal illegal. For example, not withstanding a certain amorality in my own personal (private) sexual beliefs, I think sex with non-human animals is wrong (for many reasons) and immoral, however I recognize the fact that in the State of Washington sexual relations with non-human animals is legal and respect the rule of law regarding the same.

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 02:59 PM

New Rankings!
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I don't know much, which is why she's an attractive alternative.

1) Female
2) Unlike Edith Jones, didn't write a vicious dissent in the attempt to reopen Roe v. Wade 30 years on.
3) Elevated by this President, so must have some friends in the right places.
I have heard from somewhat credible, albeit liberal (although not leftwingnutty like Sidd, no offence), that she has expressed certain not so politically correct sentiments in chambers. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not (YMMV) and she is number 14 or 15 on my list and thus qualified by my standard; however I would rather see Janice Rodgers Brown or Edith Jones.

Diane_Keaton 07-19-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
BTW, it's all over around 9:01 tonight. there will be more interesting things to focus on.
Oh you mean Lennox Lewis's guest appearance on tonight's I Want To Be A Hilton where he gives croquet lessons? Agree!

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 03:02 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Ty, you have become completely and utterly blind. This is going on on both sides. If you don't want to recognize that the DEMs are as much if not more to blame, there is no point in discussing this further.
Are you not reading my posts? It takes two to tango. But one party is driving things more than the other lately. Ask yourself, who gains from what has been happening in the last few years? Hint: It's not liberal Democrats.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 03:03 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Things got really nasty in the South Carolina Repulican primaries. Ask John McCain what he thinks of Karl Rove.
Democrats were responsible for that. Ask club.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
If it's a sucker bet, than people should admit that this is a political show rather than some nefarious plot to out Plame.
When the President says he'll fire people involved in leaking, he makes it sound like he has principles, not just political interests. You'll have to forgive all of us who took him at his word.


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