for Thurgreed
 

http://www.juvenilejusticefyi.com/hi...e_justice.html

this seems a somewhat unbiased summary of how juvenile laws changed over time. it seems some changes intended to "protect" kids may have actually moved them closer to being exposed to adult sentences.

originally (early 1800s), if you were over 7, you went to jail- there weren't really 2 systems. then a juvenile system was set up, that was mostly all rehabilitation and no punishment (or at least intended to be). then in the 60s the Sup Ct. ruled that juveniles were entitled to all rights afforded adults in the criminal justice system. 1 dissenter (Fortas) wondered if the Court wasn't forcing the juvenile defendants closer to the adult system.

After that paranoid states legislators enact laws that let kids be tried as adults. I guess the prosecutors are saying some kid's actions are so bad that the reasons for the separate system don't apply because the kid ain't going to possibly be "fixed."

for Thurgreed
 

It seems that the only part of that article that is helpful is that part that talks about the rise in juvenile crime and the legislative reaction to same.

It would seem that the way kids are currently treated is not so different than adults, in that legislatures say "no, no, no" to rehabilitation in favor of harsher sentences. But it simply makes no sense to say that children are children when it comes to sex, alcohol, war, driving, work, etc., because they are not yet equipped to appropriately deal with these things, but then turn around and say that someone who isn't an adult was sufficiently acting like one when they committed a crime (such that we will just proceed as if they are one).

I guess we've decided that if a twelve year old shoots someone that it is more important to remove and punish him than to make an effort to rehabilitate them so that they can function in society. And in order to make that determination, you have to tell yourself that the type of crime committed is so heinous that it is the product of a mature criminal mind and not an immature, not-yet-fully-developed and most likely overly-influenced mind of a child.

Whatever. I think the concept is stupid. If we're going to have a cut-off for what is to be considered child v. adult, we should fucking stick to it.

TM

for Thurgreed
 

Whatever they decide, I want you to know it's still not cool to troll middle schools. Just trying to be a good friend here.

Unusual dream thingy
 

1. Yes.
2. Don't care. Excpet in re my love of merlot.
3. Yes, but for the opposite reason.
4. Not the morning thing.
5. Pass.
6. Define "problems." Probably no.
7. Define "trouble."
8. "Extra?" Is there a set limit?
9. No.
10. Yes.
11. Only a few times in my life.
12. No.

Don't cry out loud
 

So this guy

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/C...6p.hmedium.jpg

who was obviously bucking for more TV time during the Anna Nicole trial got his own show.

for Thurgreed
 

Was this meant for Hank? Because you sent it to Thurgreed. I mean, it's good advice all around, but it seems like you maybe wanted to send it to Hank. You know, because he likes to hang out in middle schools when he takes "breaks" during his "runs." Which is a totally different thing from trolling. But it might be good for Hank to see your words anyway. Just in case.

Don't cry out loud
 

You need like a link. How are we supposed to know who that is? Or what the show is?

Don't cry out loud
 

There's not much info on the show.
You didn't watch the Anna Nicole trial? This is what happens when you don't have cable or satellite.

but read nothing here

Don't cry out loud
 

Smart. Judge Judy made $25 mil last year.

TM

Don't cry out loud
 

I have satellite and I didn't watch that stupid shit.

TM

Don't cry out loud
 

Same for this cable subscriber.

Don't cry out loud
 

Yeah, but Judge Judy is Smart, Tough and Fair. And she never cries.

(Who actually watched the trial? Sure, I was kept up-to-date by cnn.com and other "news" outlets, but I can't imagine how mind-numbingly dull that would have been to watch. I haven't watched any part of any trial since the OJ trial. That was scandalous, and yet still mind-numbingly dull. I get enough mind-n8umbingly dull in my own life, thanks so much.)

Don't cry out loud
 

But how did you miss it altogether? It was Ito-esque.

Don't cry out loud
 

Sure you can. Imagine watching yourself on tv doing your job.*


*and by "you" I mean anyone here.

Don't cry out loud
 

Aside from whatever was posted here, I totally missed it.

I have recently come to realize that unless it's on the internet or a live sports broadcast, I am really hard to get information to.