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Gattigap 07-19-2005 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
1. A bomb is not agun. Notwithstanding the definition of "well armed" "arms", I don't have a problem with the reasonable regulation of explosives.
However far out on the fringe we may find ourselves, at least Ty has received an answer to his questioned boundaries of the 2nd amendment.

Ty, I doubt Penske will ever truly answer your question about flamethrowers, if only because he carries one in the trunk of his car.

Sidd Finch 07-19-2005 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Except that it was a nefarious plot . . . just not an illegal one.

I forget, are you in the "as long as it's legal, it's moral" camp with Penske?

No. It's the "as long as it's legal, it's moral, if it's done by a Republican, and the 'legal' part really isn't all that necessary either" camp.

Sidd Finch 07-19-2005 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
When the President says he'll fire people involved in leaking, he makes it sound like he has principles, not just political interests. You'll have to forgive all of us who took him at his word.

I'm sorry, Ty, but this is bullshit. There is no way you took Bush at his word.

Substitute "them" for "us", okay?

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I have heard from somewhat credible, albeit liberal (although not leftwingnutty like Sidd, no offence), that she has expressed certain not so politically correct sentiments in chambers. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not (YMMV) and she is number 14 or 15 on my list and thus qualified by my standard; however I would rather see Janice Rodgers Brown or Edith Jones.
One point of concern, Edith Clement is so low on my list because I am concerned she may be a stealth Souter.

Her bio is:

Born in Birmingham in 1948. Received her bachelor's from the University of Alabama and her law degree from Tulane. She worked in private practice, specializing in maritime law, in New Orleans from 1975 to 1991, when President George H.W. Bush nominated her to the U.S. court for Louisiana's eastern district. She served until 2001, as chief judge in the final year, before being nominated by the second President Bush to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. She has drawn less criticism than some of the other potential nominees but has also been less in the public eye.

Biggest concern is that her initial presidential patron was GHWB a man whose legacy is Souter, new taxes and allowing Saddam to stay in power. Not a ringing endorsement.

Further,

She has stated that the Supreme Court "has clearly held that the right to privacy guaranteed by the Constitution includes the right to have an abortion" and that "the law is settled in that regard."

I am not sure if that means that she wouldn't be for narrowing Roe or the right appropriately, but it's stealthy. I pray Bush stays the course and goes with Janice Rodgers Brown or Edith Jones (or a darkhorse like Priscilla Owens).

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
One point of concern, Edith Clement is so low on my list because I am concerned she may be a stealth Souter.


Biggest concern is that her initial presidential patron was GHWB a man whose legacy is Souter, new taxes and allowing Saddam to stay in power. Not a ringing endorsement.


I am not sure if that means that she wouldn't be for narrowing Roe or the right appropriately, but it's stealthy. I pray Bush stays the course and goes with Janice Rodgers Brown or Edith Jones (or a darkhorse like Priscilla Owens).
OTOH, a good sign appears, like a talking burning bush on the mount:

Still, Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said that Clement's record raises "seriously troubling" questions about her commitment to protecting personal freedom. "Unless she was able to put those concerns to rest in Senate hearings, pro-choice Americans would oppose her nomination," Keenan said.

Anything NARAL's against I am for.


Sean Rushton, director of the conservative Committee for Justice (search), said that while his group is "ready for it to be any minute," making the announcement next week would give liberals like Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., a little less time to push public opinion.

Hey Sean, two words,

MARY JO KOPECHNE.

Bring to a lather, rinse, repeat.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't know much about Scooter, but I'll take the Rove bet in a heartbeat.
Done.

Replaced_Texan 07-19-2005 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Ah. Gotcha.

So your position is that shit, everyone KNEW that she was CIA at the time, so the statute couldn't apply, right?
In HIPAA, protected health information remains protected health information, even if the patient authorizes disclosure.

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 03:47 PM

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Senator Barbara Boxer appearing on Fox News this afternoon was asked about the 'Gang of Seven' deal not to Filibuster nominees unless it is Extra-ordinary circumstances; declared that "with the right to privacy and Roe v Wade on the table this is an Extra-ordinary circumstance and the Filibuster is on the table".

We are going to war. Bring it on you hag!

http://www.tidmus.com/blog/images/head_crush.jpg

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SlaveNoMore 07-19-2005 03:51 PM

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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Except that it was a nefarious plot . . . just not an illegal one.

I forget, are you in the "as long as it's legal, it's moral" camp with Penske?
In my book, "nefarious" is sending your unqualified, partisan lout of a husband on the taxpayers dime to drink "sweet tea" "poolside".

"Nefarious" is telling someone you are CIA during a "heavy makeout session" on a third date.

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-19-2005 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I don't know much, which is why she's an attractive alternative.

1) Female
2) Unlike Edith Jones, didn't write a vicious dissent in the attempt to reopen Roe v. Wade 30 years on.
3) Elevated by this President, so must have some friends in the right places.
Some more info:

  • B.A. - University of Alabama, 1969
    J.D. - Tulane University 1972
    1973-1975 Law clerk for Judge Christenberry, U.S.D.C. E.D. La.
    1975 - 1991 Jones, Walker, Waechter, Potivent, Carrere, & Denegre (law firm), specializing in maritime law
    1991 - Nominated to the Louisiana Eastern District Court
    2001 - Nominated to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals


    Strong advocate of the federalist revolution

    Favors limitation of Congressional power

    Conservative jurist

    Has a narrow view of plaintiff "standing" - making it harder for plaintiffs to seek a remedy from the courts

    Has authored several opinions that show a lack of regard for jury awards for pain and suffering

    Has been criticized by fellow jurists for substituting her own view for those of trial courts and juries

    Longtime member of the The Federalist Society, a conservative legal group

    Wrote an opinion arguing that parts of the Americans with Disabilities Act was unconstitutional as applied to state and local governments. Justice O'Connor's judgment on a similar case was the opposite. The case O'Connor and the Supreme Court ruled on was well known because the disabled plaintiff had to climb up the County Courthouse steps for a court appearance because there was no handicap access to the building. He refused to climb again, and was arrested for not appearing in court. O'Connor and a majority of the Supreme Court held that the disabled deserved equal access to the courts.Tenn. V Lane; "Jurors Side with Disabled in Lawsuit" - MSNBC


    Notable cases:

    Re Monumental: she authored a dissent that would denied class certification for to a group of African Americans who wanted to sue 180 insurance companies for charging them more than white customers for the same insurance policies.

    Brown v. Parker Drilling Offshore Oil Corp: she vacated a jury award for a man who had been injured working on an offshore rig. He injured his back in the incident, and because he had not told his employer prior to his hiring that he had been treated at an emergency room previously for a back injury, Clement felt that the company owed him nothing for injuries incurred on the job.

    Volger v. Blackmore: wrote the majority opinion drastically reducing the award to the family of a mother and daughter who died in a car accident, in part, she asserted, because there was not enough evidence that the daughter had experienced pain and suffering before dying. ( A fellow Fifth Circuit Judge criticized her for violating the deference to jury verdicts rule).

    Planned Parenthood of Houston v. Sanchez: upheld a Texas statute that restricted the distribution of federal family-planning money to any organization that performed abortions or participated in abortion-related activities.

SlaveNoMore 07-19-2005 03:53 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Tyrone Slothrop
Are you not reading my posts? It takes two to tango. But one party is driving things more than the other lately. Ask yourself, who gains from what has been happening in the last few years? Hint: It's not liberal Democrats.
BS.

I'd love to see how much money the Dems raked in over the last few days in response to the "Dear Voter...Rove should be arrested...signed John Kerry" letters that have been flooding in-boxes around the nation.

eta: I misread "years" for "days" in your initial post

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 03:55 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
BS.

I'd love to see how much money the Dems raked in over the last few days in response to the "Dear Voter...Rove should be arrested...signed John Kerry" letters that have been flooding in-boxes around the nation.
W should nip that in the bud and fire Rove right now.

SlaveNoMore 07-19-2005 03:56 PM

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Penske_Account
Senator Barbara Boxer appearing on Fox News this afternoon was asked about the 'Gang of Seven' deal not to Filibuster nominees unless it is Extra-ordinary circumstances; declared that "with the right to privacy and Roe v Wade on the table this is an Extra-ordinary circumstance and the Filibuster is on the table".

We are going to war. Bring it on you hag!
Good. That would be utterly fantastic.

Because then we go nuclear, Luttig or someone comparable goes in as the next Justice, and Estrada, et al all get a new vote on the Appellate slots.

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Some more info:


Strong advocate of the federalist revolution

Favors limitation of Congressional power

Conservative jurist

Longtime member of the The Federalist Society, a conservative legal group

Planned Parenthood of Houston v. Sanchez: upheld a Texas statute that restricted the distribution of federal family-planning money to any organization that performed abortions or participated in abortion-related activities.[/list]
She could be worse. Stay the course W, stay the course!

PTL!

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Senator Barbara Boxer appearing on Fox News this afternoon was asked about the 'Gang of Seven' deal not to Filibuster nominees unless it is Extra-ordinary circumstances; declared that "with the right to privacy and Roe v Wade on the table this is an Extra-ordinary circumstance and the Filibuster is on the table".
What with Abe Fortas having been filibustered, surely the GOP isn't going to pretend that filibustering a Supreme Court nominee is unprecedented, etc.

Gattigap 07-19-2005 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
In my book, "nefarious" is sending your unqualified, partisan lout of a husband on the taxpayers dime to drink "sweet tea" "poolside".
Cool. Where did he stay? Tell me about the Four Seasons Niger and the featherdown beds that he slept in while there.

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"Nefarious" is telling someone you are CIA during a "heavy makeout session" on a third date.
Was she reverse cowgirl at the time? C'mon, Slave -- your sources must know this too.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
In my book, "nefarious" is sending your unqualified, partisan lout of a husband on the taxpayers dime to drink "sweet tea" "poolside".
I'm going to try saying this for the third time, since you don't seem to have paid attention the first two times. Niger is a pit. It is one of the poorest countries in the world, and most of it is sand or dirt. The kind of pools you find there are not the kind of pools that you want to lounge next to. No one could confuse Niger with St. Bart.

Moreover, Plame didn't "send" Wilson anywhere.

SlaveNoMore 07-19-2005 04:03 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
What with Abe Fortas having been filibustered, surely the GOP isn't going to pretend that filibustering a Supreme Court nominee is unprecedented, etc.
On that filibuster:

Quote:

The Senate was launched on a full-blown filibuster, with one South Carolina senator consuming time by reading "long passages of James F. Byrnes's memoirs in a thick Southern accent," according to a newspaper account.

That four-day talkathon in September 1968...
Do the Dems have enough balls to pull a (what I would call a) TRUE filibuster and shut down all Senate business - or would they pull a filibuster lite, as usual?

Replaced_Texan 07-19-2005 04:06 PM

Gotta love homophobia. I guess the kid isn't gonna grow up to be gay after all.

I hope the motherfucker fries.

ETA: nope Just second degree murder

Says the motherfucker's grandmother: ``Ronnie ain't never did nothing bad,'' she said. ``But you know how the devil is. He takes the good ones.''

SlaveNoMore 07-19-2005 04:06 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Moreover, Plame didn't "send" Wilson anywhere.
Like a lightbulb going off, Wilson's name magically appeared on a piece of paper.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
On that filibuster:



Do the Dems have enough balls to pull a (what I would call a) TRUE filibuster and shut down all Senate business - or would they pull a filibuster lite, as usual?
That's like asking whether you have the balls to stop you car like Fred Flintstone instead of putting your foot on the brakes.

When Republicans blocked Clinton judges, I don't recall any conservatives saying, "that's not ballsy enough -- let's seem them do an old-skool filibuster."

sgtclub 07-19-2005 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Except that it was a nefarious plot . . . just not an illegal one.

I forget, are you in the "as long as it's legal, it's moral" camp with Penske?
Not in general, but I haven't seen anything on the Rove question to indicate what he did was immoral.

sgtclub 07-19-2005 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Ask yourself, who gains from what has been happening in the last few years? Hint: It's not liberal Democrats.
That's just a matter of bad tactics on the part of the DEMs. And frankly, I think they have been winning lately. See SS and the Fristing of the GOP on the fillibuster issue.

SlaveNoMore 07-19-2005 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's like asking whether you have the balls to stop you car like Fred Flintstone instead of putting your foot on the brakes.

When Republicans blocked Clinton judges, I don't recall any conservatives saying, "that's not ballsy enough -- let's seem them do an old-skool filibuster."
As I recall, the GOP had the Senate at least half the time, so a filibuster would hardly be necessary.

I guess your answer is no.

I know you love the word "smear". When can we expect the "smearing" from the Left? 9:03 EST? Or will they have the decency to wait until 9:04 EST?

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-19-2005 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
As I recall, the GOP had the Senate at least half the time, so a filibuster would hardly be necessary.

I guess your answer is no.

I know you love the word "smear". When can we expect the "smearing" from the Left? 9:03 EST? Or will they have the decency to wait until 9:04 EST?
What's so special about 9:04?

SlaveNoMore 07-19-2005 04:17 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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SlaveNoMore
I'd love to see how much money the Dems raked in over the last few days in response to the "Dear Voter...Rove should be arrested...signed John Kerry" letters that have been flooding in-boxes around the nation.
LOL, I just got this email 2 minutes ago:

Quote:

Dear _____,

How many more times will Karl Rove make President Bush eat his words and shred his credibility before Karl Rove does the honorable thing and leaves the White House?

Yesterday the President furiously backpedaled from his promise to fire anyone involved in leaking the identity of a covert CIA agent to the press. Now that it's known that Rove and Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby were involved, the President has lowered the bar and now says he'll only fire someone who is convicted of a crime.

President Bush is setting a terrible standard of leadership in the White House by protecting insubordinate aides who refused to come forward when the President demanded to know who in his administration leaked Valerie Plame's identity -- and he's sending a disturbing message about our national security.

The President should not wait to find out whether Rove is convicted in the end for his leak. Either Rove lied to the President about this matter of national security, which means he should be fired immediately, or the President is not being straight with the American people about his own involvement in this case.

With all the dissembling coming out of the White House, it's clear that the only way the American people can get to the bottom of this is through full Congressional hearings. I will call for hearings this week -- and you can strengthen this call by adding your name to our petition today:

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

With both the House and Senate in Republican hands it will be difficult to force Congressional hearings on the Bush White House. Having as many statements as possible from people in every state will help my colleagues and me show that this is what America wants. According to a poll released yesterday by ABC News, 75% of Americans believe that Karl Rove should be fired if he leaked classified information.

More than 300,000 people have signed on so far -- help us double our numbers by forwarding this email to your friends asking them to sign:

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

Thank you,

John Kerry

sgtclub 07-19-2005 04:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What with Abe Fortas having been filibustered, surely the GOP isn't going to pretend that filibustering a Supreme Court nominee is unprecedented, etc.
Didn't this have bipartisan support?

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Not in general, but I haven't seen anything on the Rove question to indicate what he did was immoral.
It's so hard to tell when you're kidding after your advocacy of state-sanctioned rape.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 04:25 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
LOL, I just got this email 2 minutes ago:
Thanks for the link!

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
It's so hard to tell when you're kidding after your advocacy of state-sanctioned rape.
It's hard to acknowledge any moral authority from someone who supported the state sanctioned murder of Terri Schiavo.

Replaced_Texan 07-19-2005 04:30 PM

Heh
 
The wonderboy of the right wrote a book, which is full of insights like "For liberals, premarital sex is less morally repugnant than smoking or hunting."

Fuck yeah, Virgin Ben.

Gattigap 07-19-2005 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
As I recall, the GOP had the Senate at least half the time, so a filibuster would hardly be necessary.

I guess your answer is no.

Check and see when Breyer and Ginsburg were consented by the Senate, and who controlled the Senate at the time.

Your answer is still no, though not for the reason you think. Ty's point is valid.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 04:34 PM

Heh
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
The wonderboy of the right wrote a book, which is full of insights like "For liberals, premarital sex is less morally repugnant than smoking or hunting."

Fuck yeah, Virgin Ben.
Depends on what you're smoking.

Gattigap 07-19-2005 04:35 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
LOL, I just got this email 2 minutes ago:
I get bombarded pretty regularly by the RNC, asking me to have a lunch with Cheney or some such stuff for only a few thousand dollars dedicated to the defeat of those old meanie heathenous Democrats, even though I've never given a dime to the RNC.

As you've no doubt gathered, I'm more sympathetic to the Democratic Party, yet I've never been solicited by the stuff that so clearly intrudes upon your solitude.

You should check your surfing habits, or something.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-19-2005 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Like a lightbulb going off, Wilson's name magically appeared on a piece of paper.
She suggested his name; it wasn't her decision to send him.

I suggested that Bush nominate Mike McConnell (#4 on Penske's list!) to the Supreme Court, but that doesn't mean it's my call.

Replaced_Texan 07-19-2005 04:39 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
I get bombarded pretty regularly by the RNC, asking me to have a lunch with Cheney or some such stuff for only a few thousand dollars dedicated to the defeat of those old meanie heathenous Democrats, even though I've never given a dime to the RNC.

As you've no doubt gathered, I'm more sympathetic to the Democratic Party, yet I've never been solicited by the stuff that so clearly intrudes upon your solitude.

You should check your surfing habits, or something.
Slave's obviously given more money to the Democrats than we have.

Shape Shifter 07-19-2005 04:43 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Slave's obviously given more money to the Democrats than we have.
Partisan hack! Partisan hack!

Penske_Account 07-19-2005 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
She suggested his name; it wasn't her decision to send him.

I suggested that Bush nominate Mike McConnell (#4 on Penske's list!) to the Supreme Court, but that doesn't mean it's my call.
Yes! Indeed! I believe that we are bridging the ideological divide, in part, because, when push comes to shove, you reject the racially and ideologically divisive and marxist politics of personal destruction of Kleagle Byrd, Manslaughterer Ted and the ex-Rapist-in-Chief.


Ebony and ivory.........

Gattigap 07-19-2005 04:49 PM

For Ty and His Boy Josh
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Partisan hack! Partisan hack!
Slave's kitchen is in the Four Seasons Niger!

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-19-2005 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I have heard from somewhat credible, albeit liberal (although not leftwingnutty like Sidd, no offence), that she has expressed certain not so politically correct sentiments in chambers..
Isnt't that the best type? Closet conservative.

The game now is all about insider information. Find someone who is a closeted conservative (or liberal) whose record reflects mainstream views. Meanwhile, get confident that your line to the clerks and so forth reveals a better view of the person (obviously the intelligence sources screwed up on Souter). Her saying Roe is the law of the land is pretty unremarkable, which is why Edith Jones's dissent was so remarkable. No circuit court judge should think otherwise--they're not in a position to overrule it, so why bother saying otherwise?


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