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Say_hello_for_me 10-21-2004 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
My good man, if he could fuck Heidi Klum, what man wouldn't want to live to be 200? Even after she got old and decrepit and I couldn't get it up any more, I'd still want a number of years to carry around the picture and tell people I used to fuck her.
Who is Heidi Klum, anyway?

Not Me 10-21-2004 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
And when you're 48 and checking into the emergency room in the middle of your first heart attack, remember I told you this today:

When the admitting nurse asks for your religion you'll say "none"
then you'll pause, and then say "ummm, put down Catholic."
What is the downside to believing in God? If you believe and you are wrong, you're dead so you aren't aware you were wrong. And while you were alive, you had hope that you could enter the after life and see all your dead loved ones.

If you believe and you are right, you get to go to heaven. Faith in God = insurance policy.

Now allowing an organized religion to control your behavior, well, there is clearly a downside to that.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-21-2004 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I just followed your explanation as to why people bought in. (Paraphrasing follows): You said "fear". I said "fear of what". You said "fear of not having tomorrow what you have today"., and I say "what do they want tomorrow that they have today" and you say "Nothing. That's it. Game's up."

In any case, you just said Nothing. That's it. Game's up. If true, why do we need an escape valve from that?

He(and maaaaa, he's starting it with the ventriloquist act again)llo
How can I maake it more succinct. Your need to believe in a god is rooted in fear. You need a god and a heaven as an escape valve from the reality that you - in every form you can imagine yourself - are "over", "finished", "gone", etc... when you die. Man naturally doesn't like the idea of dying - of having himself "ended" so to say, so out of fear, he creates the notion of an interested higher being, and an afterlife. The afterlife is the fifth quarter, the fourth strike. You're changing the rule you can't accept.

All I'm telling you is that your belief is borne of fear. Take it however you like.

Gattigap 10-21-2004 08:36 PM

What it means to be a conservative today
 
Whether this is what it means to be Right is something, I'm sure, the Party of One will weigh in on soon enough.

From Friedman:
  • Conservatives profess to care deeply about the outcome in Iraq, but they sat silently for the last year as the situation there steadily deteriorated. Then they participated in a shameful effort to refocus the country's attention on what John Kerry did on the rivers of Vietnam 30 years ago, not on what George Bush and his team are doing on the rivers of Babylon today, where some 140,000 American lives are on the line. Is this what it means to be a conservative today?

    Had conservatives spoken up loudly a year ago and said what both of Mr. Bush's senior Iraq envoys, Jay Garner and Paul Bremer, have now said (and what many of us who believed in the importance of Iraq were saying) - that we never had enough troops to control Iraq's borders, keep the terrorists out, prevent looting and establish authority - the president might have changed course. Instead, they served as a Greek chorus, applauding Mr. Bush's missteps and mocking anyone who challenged them.

    Conservatives have failed their own test of patriotism. In the end, it has been more important for them to defeat liberals than to get Iraq right. Had Democrats been running this war with the incompetence of Donald Rumsfeld & Friends, conservatives would have demanded their heads a year ago - and gotten them.

Yup.

Say_hello_for_me 10-21-2004 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
How can I maake it more succinct. Your need to believe in a god is rooted in fear. You need a god and a heaven as an escape valve from the reality that you - in every form you can imagine yourself - are "over", "finished", "gone", etc... when you die. Man naturally doesn't like the idea of dying - of having himself "ended" so to say, so out of fear, he creates the notion of an interested higher being, and an afterlife. The afterlife is the fifth quarter, the fourth strike. You're changing the rule you can't accept.

All I'm telling you is that your belief is borne of fear. Take it however you like.
Yeah, that explains the beginning of your logic, but not your end. How do you or any other human come to the conclusion of Nothing, That's It, Game's Over? Further, once you do, do you not feel things like fear, guilt, regret, anxiety, doubt, or any of the other numerous human emotions that seem inherent in a normal human? If so, why would you feel guilty or regretful or anxiety or fearful or doubtful (in cases where this question is relevant). What explains these emotions to someone who believes in nothing, that's it, game over? What would cause such fear, guilt, regret, anxiety and doubt in someone who truly does not believe in consequences?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in rational behavior, and I see the same fear as being a motivation for a lot of human behavior. It seems impossible to rationalize away a morality-based emotion system entirely.

Say_hello_for_me 10-21-2004 08:50 PM

What it means to be a conservative today
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Whether this is what it means to be Right is something, I'm sure, the Party of One will weigh in on soon enough.
Scroll back a few thousand pages. The Party of One, i.e., the real Right, was calling for Rummy's head, criticizing the entire conduct of our armchair Napolean, and arguing there were not enough troops and equipment to do the job the way the Military professionals said it needed to be done. I've been consistent ever since. Hence, it seems that your Friedman fellow agrees with me that those you call "conservative" are not "conservative". Conservative would be me.

On another note, the NYT or maybe the Washington Post or LA Times, I forget, has a very interesting article today about the disbanding of the Iraqi military, and they seem to lay it squarely on Bremer's shoulders (which surprised me a little bit). Not enough troops to secure the borders? This guy scotched Plan B by disbanding the Iraqi military when our military figured we could leverage them into securing their borders and cities in an orderly fashion. Not exactly the guy I need to see commenting on the lack of manpower, when the manpower that does exist would strangle him on sight if they saw him in a dark alley.

Hello

SlaveNoMore 10-21-2004 09:02 PM

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sebastian_dangerfield
How can I maake it more succinct. Your need to believe in a god is rooted in fear. You need a god and a heaven as an escape valve from the reality that you - in every form you can imagine yourself - are "over", "finished", "gone", etc... when you die. Man naturally doesn't like the idea of dying - of having himself "ended" so to say, so out of fear, he creates the notion of an interested higher being, and an afterlife. The afterlife is the fifth quarter, the fourth strike. You're changing the rule you can't accept.

All I'm telling you is that your belief is borne of fear. Take it however you like.
If last night wasn't all the proof you need to demonstrate there is no god, then I don't know what to tell you.

Sexual Harassment Panda 10-21-2004 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If last night wasn't all the proof you need to demonstrate there is no god, then I don't know what to tell you.
God was pissed at New York for hosting the RNC. In contrast, His Favor was lavished on the city that hosted the DNC.

Conclusion? John Kerry = God's choice!

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2004 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
can I maake it
It's this simple; if you want us to grant you some gravitas you really must eliminate the typos. The typos show even you don't truly believe your thesis. Without correction, you'll soon be nothing more than dtb with a drinking problem. No offense.

Not Me 10-21-2004 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
God was pissed at New York for hosting the RNC. In contrast, His Favor was lavished on the city that hosted the DNC.

Conclusion? John Kerry = God's choice!
Even though you are wrong, I still give this POTD.

NotFromHere 10-21-2004 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Who is Heidi Klum, anyway?
You're kidding, right?
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...m_iv_-1024.jpg

http://www.hovsa.com/heidi-klum/imag...di-klum-04.jpg
sorry, my bad. Wrong board. I'll take these down if you guys want me to. Just ask.

SlaveNoMore 10-21-2004 09:29 PM

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You should make this your new avatar.

Hell, I may make it my wallpaper.

NotFromHere 10-21-2004 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You should make this your new avatar.

Hell, I may make it my wallpaper.
Done. I no longer have any connections to Sunny.

SlaveNoMore 10-21-2004 09:37 PM

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NotFromHere
Done. I no longer have any connections to Sunny.
Another Curse lifted!!!!

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2004 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
jesus fringey, what the fuck do you want from me?
Quote:

Swearing can make men impotent
Too much swearing can make men impotent and women develop male characteristics including facial hair and extra muscles.
Cheuring said: "We looked at heavy swearers and others who never used bad language, and found whenever men use these words in their daily life, this immediately leads to sexual dysfunctions, i.e. impotence. If a woman uses these words in her daily speech, she slowly begins transforming into a man, getting more hair and muscles."
http://www.onlypunjab.com/real/fulls...wsID-8553.html

Note- potty mouth SS has no real life porn knowledge- I'm just saying...

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2004 09:48 PM

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http://www.foxnews.com/images/142098...erry_reeve.jpg
Oct. 21: Sen. John Kerry reaches out to Dana Reeve, widow of paralyzed actor Christopher Reeve in Columbus, Ohio.


"Rather than rushing to the extreme opposite of Chris, the Reeves widow does the sensible thing and eases back, starting with a man who has movement in about half his body......."

So, who all is competing for second place?*



*larry tribute quote

NotFromHere 10-21-2004 09:52 PM

Schtick is it Seb
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
If a woman uses these words in her daily speech, she slowly begins transforming into a man, getting more hair and muscles."
Well then someday I'll become a real man, whereas you........

Tyrone Slothrop 10-21-2004 10:14 PM

What it means to be a conservative today
 
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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
On another note, the NYT or maybe the Washington Post or LA Times, I forget, has a very interesting article today about the disbanding of the Iraqi military, and they seem to lay it squarely on Bremer's shoulders (which surprised me a little bit).
Hey, are you still interested in buying a bridge?

http://www.currierandives.info/city/...lyn-Bridge.gif

For you, cheap!

Tyrone Slothrop 10-21-2004 10:18 PM

Can I say?
 
I go away for a few hours and this place turns into the FB. OK, I outa here again. Go nuts, y'all. I expect to see everyone naked when I come back.

Shape Shifter 10-21-2004 10:25 PM

Can I say?
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I go away for a few hours and this place turns into the FB. OK, I outa here again. Go nuts, y'all. I expect to see everyone naked when I come back.
Not if Ashcroft has his way.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-21-2004 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Yeah, that explains the beginning of your logic, but not your end. How do you or any other human come to the conclusion of Nothing, That's It, Game's Over? Further, once you do, do you not feel things like fear, guilt, regret, anxiety, doubt, or any of the other numerous human emotions that seem inherent in a normal human? If so, why would you feel guilty or regretful or anxiety or fearful or doubtful (in cases where this question is relevant). What explains these emotions to someone who believes in nothing, that's it, game over? What would cause such fear, guilt, regret, anxiety and doubt in someone who truly does not believe in consequences?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in rational behavior, and I see the same fear as being a motivation for a lot of human behavior. It seems impossible to rationalize away a morality-based emotion system entirely.
I reach the conclusion that death is the end because there is no proof to the contrary. And as explained before, arguing "Well, you can't prove there's no afterlife" is only a rebuttal if we're in fourth grade.

Of course everyone fears the end. Animals fear the end. That fear and anxiety is not exclusively human by any stretch. People who admit thaat death is probably the end fear it even more than people like you, who trick themselves into believing there's a fifth quarter. For non-bleivers, death is more finite.

Religion is your drug, your hedge. Its what you run to instead of dealing with the issue at hand.

The fear that secularists have of is not feaar of consequences. Thats a pretty specious argument, don't you think? If a man does not believe in heaven and hell, what sort of consequence does he fear? Your argument appeaars to assume that we all secretly believe in the afterlife and anxiety derives from fear of damnation. Thats rather parochial, even for you.

Say_hello_for_me 10-21-2004 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I reach the conclusion that death is the end because there is no proof to the contrary. And as explained before, arguing "Well, you can't prove there's no afterlife" is only a rebuttal if we're in fourth grade.

Of course everyone fears the end. Animals fear the end. That fear and anxiety is not exclusively human by any stretch. People who admit thaat death is probably the end fear it even more than people like you, who trick themselves into believing there's a fifth quarter. For non-bleivers, death is more finite.

Religion is your drug, your hedge. Its what you run to instead of dealing with the issue at hand.

The fear that secularists have of is not feaar of consequences. Thats a pretty specious argument, don't you think? If a man does not believe in heaven and hell, what sort of consequence does he fear? Your argument appeaars to assume that we all secretly believe in the afterlife and anxiety derives from fear of damnation. Thats rather parochial, even for you.
My dear boy, you say my hedge? I'd actually submit that your fear is your hedge. Ironic, no? You be sure to let me know when you aren't afraid of the end, and I'll continue the conversation with the true atheist you've become at that time. Until then, you are the Converted. A Believer so to say. Mass is at 5:00 on Saturday.

ETA: Oops, and I missed that thing about animals. How would you know that animals fear the end? I've seen animals die quite peacefully after being bad their whole lives. We used to have this dog Sandy who was constantly grabbing garbage from a garbage can and then walking by us in the living room while watching us from the corner of her eye, like "come and get me, bitch".

I say you have no explanation for your fear, and you end up speculating on whether animals think about the afterline. My dear, dear, dear friend, did you say my line of reasoning is specious? Holy BeJeezus.

Say_hello_for_me 10-21-2004 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Hey, are you still interested in buying a bridge?

http://www.currierandives.info/city/...lyn-Bridge.gif

For you, cheap!
Which part didn't you believe? Its your papers that said it.

Not Me 10-21-2004 11:02 PM

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Now you all know what my breasts look like, so stop asking to see pictures, 'kay? You've seen them.

bilmore 10-21-2004 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
speaking of dweeby freaks from a bygone era....
Asshole. I thought you were on my side.

Not Me 10-21-2004 11:21 PM

Can I say?
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Go nuts, y'all. I expect to see everyone naked when I come back.
Not Me [SPEE - see through shirt]


eta: That's a bit more than a see-thru shirt. It's a link to a porn site. Caveat Emptor. - Slave

Adder 10-21-2004 11:31 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SlaveNoMore


I take it from the avatar that your lost a bet??

bilmore 10-21-2004 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
This implies both that (1) the political spectrum is essentially, a cylinder (or a continuous band, if you prefer), and (2) the far right and far left "mainstreams" in America are essentially mirror images of each other well towards the center.
This is a cool analogizing experience at face. Substantively, this is total crap.

Did you really say this?

bilmore 10-21-2004 11:40 PM

Kerry on the war on terror
 
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Originally posted by dtb
he said modestly.
There's no way else I can talk, dear.

bilmore 10-21-2004 11:47 PM

Love me, love me, love me -- I'm a liberal
 
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Originally posted by Not Bob
But one of his recent posts raises a question I constantly ask: Why isn't everyone a Democrat?
There's this story of the famine-hit village where people are hungry, stores are empty, and months of winter beckon.

The dem pulls out the seed stock and cook it up. All the people caught short because of poor planning, lost jobs, and dead crops are thrilled. Everyone eats.

Then, next spring, everyone dies.

Adder 10-21-2004 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Ten years ago, my favorite radio station didn't have to beep out the word "shit" or similar words appearing in some songs. Now they do it regularly. It's not a major intrusion in my life, but, then again, the people who forced the change didn't listen to the Clash, Pearl Jam, or Eric Burdon then and they don't now.
It's not really relevant to your point, but most of these artists record a clean version for radio play, rather than require the station to bleep the song. And it was certainly going on ten years ago.

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Five years ago, it would have been inconcievable that Jose Padilla would be locked up in prison for months without access to counsel or without being charged with a crime. I realize this isn't my daily life. But then, Jose isn't free to answer this question for himself.
It still is nearly inconcievable. But it is a rather common reaction to countries attacted by terrorists. Hopefully, the supreme court will step in and set things straight. But I worry more and more about a court stacked with Ashcroft clones.

Say_hello_for_me 10-21-2004 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
This is a cool analogizing experience at face. Substantively, this is total crap.

Did you really say this?
I think he's describing the public perception of the far right and far left, and you (like I) are thinking of the actual right and left. The characterizations of the far right have gotten so out of hand that people end up calling National Socialists a part of the right. Its a cute way of disassociating them from the left in the public mind, but its only Socialism with hate thrown in. And hate ain't a characteristic of the Right.

In sum, as he later noted, he's talking about the publicly-accepted characterizations.

On another note, there is a post on the other board where some columnist made the same point that Gatti's guy did, but on a broader scale. Basically saying that the Right needs to take its territory back and shove the pretenders back into their own camp and let them stew among their soul mates. For the record, I am not that columnist (and didn't completely agree with everything the guy wrote, particularly regarding the new needs of our nation).

Hello

NotFromHere 10-21-2004 11:59 PM

Can I say?
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I go away for a few hours and this place turns into the FB. OK, I outa here again. Go nuts, y'all. I expect to see everyone naked when I come back.
They won't let me do naked here while I'm at work, but funny how Sports Illlustrated flies under the nazi radar.
http://i.cnn.net/si/swimsuit/collection/front_main1.jpg
Go ahead and edit if you want Slave.

Say_hello_for_me 10-22-2004 12:01 AM

October Surprise in Chicago?
 
I'll put 1% odds that the real midwest October Surprise is a last-minute preelection arrest of Mayor Richard M. Daley, one of his 3 top lieutenants, and/or Governor Rod Blagoyevich. How much damage would this do to Kerry and co.?

Today one of Daley's top Bridgeport guys was indicted in a rapidly-expanding bribe probe, though the guy retired years ago. How close was he? He had enough clout to send an army of Chicago Democrats out to a suburban county (Will Co., think Joliet, or mebbe a Joliet Prison of Blues Bros. fame). The army got his son elected States Attorney as a Republican.

Don't think the U.S. Attorney won't do it? This guy indicted the last Republican governor a few months ago. Speculation in some parts of Chicago is beginning to build.

Hello

Shape Shifter 10-22-2004 12:01 AM

Love me, love me, love me -- I'm a liberal
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
There's this story of the famine-hit village where people are hungry, stores are empty, and months of winter beckon.

The dem pulls out the seed stock and cook it up. All the people caught short because of poor planning, lost jobs, and dead crops are thrilled. Everyone eats.

Then, next spring, everyone dies.
Right.

Not Me 10-22-2004 12:09 AM

Love me, love me, love me -- I'm a liberal
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
There's this story of the famine-hit village where people are hungry, stores are empty, and months of winter beckon.

The dem pulls out the seed stock and cook it up. All the people caught short because of poor planning, lost jobs, and dead crops are thrilled. Everyone eats.

Then, next spring, everyone dies.
Is that a verbose way of saying give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for life?

If so, I think all those out of work from outsourced jobs should just learn to fish.

sgtclub 10-22-2004 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by Adder
It's not really relevant to your point, but most of these artists record a clean version for radio play, rather than require the station to bleep the song. And it was certainly going on ten years ago.
I've been too busy to respond substantively today to the porn thread, but does anybody remember what Tipper Gore was famous for before "The Kiss."

Adder 10-22-2004 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Not Me
What is the downside to believing in God? If you believe and you are wrong, you're dead so you aren't aware you were wrong. And while you were alive, you had hope that you could enter the after life and see all your dead loved ones.
Hmm... being a hopeless cynic without any principles at all??

Not Me 10-22-2004 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I've been too busy to respond substantively today to the porn thread, but does anybody remember what Tipper Gore was famous for before "The Kiss."
Mental illness?

Not Me 10-22-2004 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by Adder
Hmm... being a hopeless cynic without any principles at all??
Are you implying that without a belief in god you can't have principles? If not, what the hell are you saying?


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