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Yeah... I mean, as if there is anything remorely like a far left in this country....

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???? Have you ever heard Ralph Nader speak? Michael Moore?

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She's an idiot. Your point is?

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I'm not implying anything. I am saying that if you believe in god simply because you see no downside in not believing in god, you have no principles.

Ad(thought that was pretty clear the first time)der

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quick question!
you know in mikey's movie, where there's the mom whose son was killed in the war; well what if he was killed by one of the people that youse guys made us let go from Gitmo; would Mike have used that footage?

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Who are you, and what have you done with Adder?

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OK, so reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Read this slowly and maybe it will be more clear. I said that there was no downside to BELIEVING in god.

I am sure you did think you were clear. However, the point of communication is to be clear to those to whom you are communicating. Got that?

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Look, I'm the king of hijacking posts and changing subjects, but when confronted, I honestly debate. I offered a rather simple theory, and you've dishonestly ducked it over and over again.

Belief in god is at its core fear driven, because people want to think there's something out there, somewhere to go after death. You haven't offeered me a single different explantion for belief in god, or anything to refute my theory. In place of debate, you've either purposefully misrepresented my words or are actually an idiot and truly can't follow my simple point. Its not a retort to say "its you, not me, who's afraid."

As to the animal thing, I watched my 16 year old cat get euthanized. They very much understand when they're old and dying, and if you've owned pets you understand this.

I will be afraid at the end. Thats my point, you idiot. Do you have learning disabilities. We all have a fear of the unknown and dying is the great unknown. The difference is you believe you're going somewhere and I'm man enough to admit I don't know if I'm going somewhere, and I'm not fool enough to "belive" I am based on the zero evidence available.

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I'm Joe Atheist. I've spoken to many gawd-feering types, and I think that the need to believe in a god is rooted in a desire for beauty as much as it is in fear.

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But will you admit I'm right and you'll repent at the end? mohammed Atta probably had a moment, coming up the river, where he started to question whether he'd actually get all the virgins. Fear of death is universal- even for the true believers. people are just asking: don't you admit there is a 1% chance of god?

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Did you say this with pride? I would like to be that columnist . . .

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Only living people can add up a national debt.

People who elect Dems won't make it that far.

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That's right. Dick Cheney will hunt them down and kill them. With Antonin Scalia.

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It was a long article, and the only part I disclaimed is the part about our country's changed needs, because the part I skimmed seemed to pooh-pooh our nation's need to conduct a robust military offense/defense overseas for the time being.

Hello

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Oh, hell, his heart would give out in the first flush . . .

(Was that cheap humor? I'll take it back if it was . . .)

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Quick, where's an adult to tell me to go to my room?

You are quite the name-caller, huh pal?

I'm not accusing you of having anything like a "belief" in God. If you took that literally from my post than you should run out and buy a sarcasm meter. I'm accusing you of misrepresenting a belief in Nada, Nothing, Nobody or whatever you said

I should really be able to ignore you. Why can't I ignore you? Please resign from your post as a moderator of a dead board so I can.

It is you who are hedging, and its in stark contrast to your asserted belief in Nada, Nothing, Nobody. You said it, so what words am I putting in your mouth? You also said everybody is afraid of the end. You denying this?

Here's a clue. The two are irreconcilable. You can't deny God entirely (i.e., Nada, Nothing, Nobody) if you can't disclaim a fear of God. You can't be afraid of something that you affirmatively assert does not exist. Nobody is afraid of nothing. Tell me again how your doggy cried for its mommy when it was going to doggy heaven. At best, people are afraid of what is out there in the unknown. In your case, you are afraid of Who you think might be hiding behind door #1. Yup, you are afraid of the possibility of a big, hairy, vengeful God.

Quick, call me some more names and tell me how you didn't say what you said. I'll see you at mass in 2 days, m'kay buddy? You don't mind if I sign you up for the choir, do ya?

ETA "door"

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Of course, what else would he be afraid of in the great everlasting Nada?

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My papers? Each of those papers has their conservative bias as well. Anyway, I've looked at today's NYT, WaPo and LA Times, and I can't figure out what you're talking about. Cite, please.

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Not much. Obama might be so crippled that he'd win by less than 40, though.

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Blow jobs? No wait, that was Nancy Reagan.

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You're really pushing the whole civility thing here.

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It wasn't me who started the discussion of 15" units and Heidi Klum. I'm just trying to fit in.

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I will take that as your answer.


(ETA - damn, I must be tired. I can't believe I sign a post with my own initials.)

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What is that a reference to? There is no way I believe that Nancy would alllow a dick in her mouth. In case you think I am partisan on this issue, there is no way I would believe that Hilllary would allow a dick in her mouth, either.

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A discussion of Nancy Reagan's best-known talent may be civil, but it is not classy.

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Take it to the FB buster.

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Well no wonder her hubby never was getting it from a fat intern.

I still don't believe, though, that Hillary has ever had a dick in her mouth or any orifice for that matter. A turkey baster, yeah, sure I believe that.

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I pay for Josh, and Wonkette shows up.

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You pay for Josh?

Goddam good thing you were busy last time I was there.

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Which reminds me -- Josh says you need to give me money for wine or you're not going to be happy. I don't know whether this means he's not going to post or he's going to post more.

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Oh, damn, I LOVE Jeopardy!!

Here, here -

"What is a Hobson's choice"?

(ETA - what do I win?)

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You get bone chips in your elbow and fired as the manager of the Red Sox?

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What's today buddy-boy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/21/in...ner=ALTAVISTA1

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Nothing. Who the fuck is Hobson? Do you mean Hobbesian choice?

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What are you, like, thirty-four?

Hobson. Google it. Effin kids.

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Much other reporting has suggested that the decision to disband the Iraqi Army has made in Washington, above Bremer's head. Consistent with this, the article you cite quotes Douglas Feith in defense of the policy. Then there are these paragraphs:

• The role of top Bush administration officials in approving the plan is unclear. Mr. Slocombe said the decision was the subject of extensive consultations with senior Defense Department officials in Washington. A draft of Mr. Bremer's decree abolishing the army, he said, was sent to Mr. Rumsfeld before it was issued.
  
  Lawrence Di Rita, Mr. Rumsfeld's spokesman, said in an e-mail message that the issue was not taken up by cabinet-level officials and was "definitely not one that the secretary of defense decided."
  
  General Peter Pace of the Marines, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Joint Chiefs were not consulted about the decision.
  
  Condoleezza Rice, Mr. Bush's national security adviser, indicated that the idea did not originate in the National Security Council but acknowledged that the White House did not object.
  
  "I don't think that anybody thought it was wildly out of context with what we were trying to achieve and the whole structure had been set up so that some of those decisions could be made in the field or through the Pentagon chain," she said in an interview.

The article continues to explain that the military didn't like it. And then there's this:

• General Garner, who was winding up his service in Iraq at that time, was also opposed. He said he had not been given advance notice of the plan. "What was happening was that hundreds of Iraqi soldiers were just beginning to come back," Mr. Garner said. "We could have brought back and paired them up in former units. Instead, we just shut the door on them."

So the decision was made while General Garner "was winding up his service in Iraq"? Bremer wasn't in charge yet, but he somehow made this decision? Yeah, right.

This is too cute by half. I don't know where the idea "originated," but if you think it wasn't made in the White House, that bridge is still for sale. Oddly, the article never explains who actually made the decision. It's just a bunch of different guys pointing the finger at each other.

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Well if you read my title, you would see I am too lazy to google. But when I did muster up the energy to google, this is what I got:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Hobson

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I'm old, and my memory fades, but wasn't the decision made when they realized that, one, the invasion had gone too fast, and, two, that left whole regiments intact and eager to fight under-the-table against us, and, three, they had to redesign from the top down?

I love hindsight. If I could live by it in my job, I wouldn't have to rely on posting for a salary.

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Just as a warning to the rest of you, I read through what Ty has posted, and there is no porn at all in it. Just a warning.