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Shape Shifter 09-12-2005 05:09 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Let the unborn child vote. Surely it can use one of its fingers or an ear bud or soemthing to poke out a chad.
How many votes does Terri Schiavo get?

Penske_Account 09-12-2005 05:19 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
How many votes does Terri Schiavo get?
It wasn't enough to kill her, you and the liberals have to continue to mock her? Sad.

SlaveNoMore 09-12-2005 05:21 PM

Eye on the Prize
 
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Gattigap
True dat, but OTOH on a personal level I can think of few less pleasant practices than the prospect of litigating abortion rights day in and day out.
Talk to the bored - albeit private jet owning - asbestos guys about personal pain and suffering.

Shape Shifter 09-12-2005 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Talk to the bored - albeit private jet owning - asbestos guys about personal pain and suffering.
Fetuses are horrible about paying their bills. And, lets face it, you can't get blood from a . . . um . . . never mind.

Hank Chinaski 09-12-2005 05:45 PM

Fun 2 Ways!
 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...775068,00.html

This is a perfect story for this board because it supports everyone's fears.

The right thinking people look at this and see further evidence that Europe will indeed soon be a big Islamic republic and we will be on our own soon, and better get ready for that.

The lefties will see further evidence that America is out of step with the world and will plea for getting rid of MLK day and replacing it with Civil rights fighters day, to also include Arafat.

Win Win!
  • Ditch Holocaust day, advisers urge Blair
    Abul Taher



    ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims.
    They want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.

baltassoc 09-12-2005 05:48 PM

Fun 2 Ways!
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...775068,00.html

This is a perfect story for this board because it supports everyone's fears.

The right thinking people look at this and see further evidence that Europe will indeed soon be a big Islamic republic and we will be on our own soon, and better get ready for that.

The lefties will see further evidence that America is out of step with the world and will plea for getting rid of MLK day and replacing it with Civil rights fighters day, to also include Arafat.

Win Win!
  • Ditch Holocaust day, advisers urge Blair
    Abul Taher



    ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims.
    They want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.

I didn't go read the story, but why is Holocaust day offensive to Muslims?

sgtclub 09-12-2005 05:50 PM

Fun 2 Ways!
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...775068,00.html

This is a perfect story for this board because it supports everyone's fears.

The right thinking people look at this and see further evidence that Europe will indeed soon be a big Islamic republic and we will be on our own soon, and better get ready for that.

The lefties will see further evidence that America is out of step with the world and will plea for getting rid of MLK day and replacing it with Civil rights fighters day, to also include Arafat.

Win Win!
  • Ditch Holocaust day, advisers urge Blair
    Abul Taher



    ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims.
    They want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.

I'm actually OK with something like this, although not for that reason. But there's no reason that the holocaust needs to be singled out as a day of rememberance. Include all genocides, including Rewanda and Darfur, and call it something like "Genocide Remembrance Day."

sgtclub 09-12-2005 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
I didn't go read the story, but why is Holocaust day offensive to Muslims?
Because Hitler was stopped before he could finish the job.

Hank Chinaski 09-12-2005 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm actually OK with something like this, although not for that reason. But there's no reason that the holocaust needs to be singled out as a day of rememberance. Include all genocides, including Rewanda and Darfur, and call it something like "Genocide Remembrance Day."
Beyond the 6 million killed? there is also the fact that the Holocaust happened on European soil and was executed by a European country that sits alongside England.

sgtclub 09-12-2005 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Beyond the 6 million killed? there is also the fact that the Holocaust happened on European soil and was executed by a European country that sits alongside England.
What's the difference between 1 million and 6 million. Is one more horrible than the other? And what is the significance of it happening in a country that site next to England. England was on the right side of that war.

Gattigap 09-12-2005 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
What's the difference between 1 million and 6 million. Is one more horrible than the other? And what is the significance of it happening in a country that site next to England. England was on the right side of that war.
Dude. You're fucking up Hank's anti-liberal rant, and totally killing his buzz. Have a heart, will ya?

Shape Shifter 09-12-2005 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
What's the difference between 1 million and 6 million.
No one told me there'd be math involved.

futbol fan 09-12-2005 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Beyond the 6 million killed? there is also the fact that the Holocaust happened on European soil and was executed by a European country that sits alongside England.
Do England and Germany share a border at Epcot?

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2005 06:12 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Um, because it is (a) shitty law that (b) preempts vox populi?

I still want Luttig.
1. Its not shitty law if you believe we have a right to privacy (which we all do - the Constitution/Bill of Rights aren't shit without their obvious, logical, implicit right to privacy). If we don't have a right to privacy, we have nothing; that right was so fucking patently obvious the Founders didn't feel the need to write it explictly. It so obviously runs through every word of the Constitution that to argue it doesn't is, well, fucking absurd.

2. Vox populi my ass. Let the states decide on abortion and we'll see a minority of people in sparsely populated states outlaw it. It will remain legal in every state that counts (excluding a few white trash bible thumper havens). BTW... Will we in the blue states have to subsidize all the bastard children the bible thumpers have? I say bollocks to that. You want those fucking kids, you regressive biblical literalist piece of trailer trash? You pay for them - at the state level. States rights, you know! Better work two shifts at the 7/11 from now on... Or maybe you can see if your pastor will donate for the child's welfare, since its probably his anyway.

3. Luttig has no chance. Too strident. I don't want any 4th Circuit trash on the Court. Just pop Gonzales in and lets get it over with. He's fine by me.

dtb 09-12-2005 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm actually OK with something like this, although not for that reason. But there's no reason that the holocaust needs to be singled out as a day of rememberance. Include all genocides, including Rewanda and Darfur, and call it something like "Genocide Remembrance Day."
This is a red-letter day. I don't think I've ever agreed with anything you've said in this forum, until now.

Huh. Go figure.

(I also don't understand why Holocaust Remembrance would be offensive to Muslims -- that's stupid. Though I do suspect you're right about the reason behind that as well.)

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2005 06:18 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I don't get it. I ran across some fairly gruesome images of former Iraqi children killed by the policies of the culturalists of death, but it looked like they'd already been born.
That's the Culture of Life... Sacred till born, but once you're out - open fucking game.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2005 06:20 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
A life that is potentially disposable at whim to the culturalists of death.

http://biblia.com/abortion/abortion-5month.jpg http://www.aworc.org/went2001/projects/stop/save_me.gif
I couldn't agree more! If we can't get the poor and stupid to reproduce more, where will we get clueless bodies to ship to Baghdad?

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2005 06:25 PM

Eye on the Prize
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Fetuses are horrible about paying their bills. And, lets face it, you can't get blood from a . . . um . . . never mind.
Its the Fetus Strategy. The GOP knows their race baiting Southern Strategy has a limited shelf life. They plan to replace it with a new strategy in about 18 years:

"Vote GOP! You owe us! Without us, you'd have never been born!*"

* And while you're voting, join the Army, so we can usse you to test Irving Kristol's latest shitasss theory in some backwash tin pot dictatorship.

"Culture of Life!"

Sidd Finch 09-12-2005 06:27 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
A life that is potentially disposable at whim to the culturalists of death.

The world according to Penske: Anyone who believes in the right to abortion is "a culturalist of death."

Of course, Penske does not believe that "society's interest in protecting the unborn life outweigh's the mother's rights."

Go figure. (I figure that Penske is so full of shit that his eyes fart, but whatever.)

SlaveNoMore 09-12-2005 06:27 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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sebastian_dangerfield
1. Its not shitty law if you believe we have a right to privacy (which we all do - the Constitution/Bill of Rights aren't shit without their obvious, logical, implicit right to privacy). If we don't have a right to privacy, we have nothing; that right was so fucking patently obvious the Founders didn't feel the need to write it explictly. It so obviously runs through every word of the Constitution that to argue it doesn't is, well, fucking absurd.
It was so patently obvious that it took the court until Griswold to find it. Man, those early Justices were stupid.

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2. Vox populi my ass. Let the states decide on abortion and we'll see a minority of people in sparsely populated states outlaw it.
Yeah, and...

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It will remain legal in every state that counts (excluding a few white trash bible thumper havens).
Repeat. Yeah, and....


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BTW... Will we in the blue states have to subsidize all the bastard children the bible thumpers have?
And all those poor inner-city black children that Kanye West says Bush doesn't care about? Who is paying for them now? Or do we only support people in Appalachia?

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I say bollocks to that.
Unless you live in, say, Chicago, your vote only counts once.

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You want those fucking kids, you regressive biblical literalist piece of trailer trash?
Is this the general or specific "you"? Because if I live in a trailer, I want the landlord to give back some of our rent.

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You pay for them - at the state level. States rights, you know! Better work two shifts at the 7/11 from now on... Or maybe you can see if your pastor will donate for the child's welfare, since its probably his anyway.
Translation: I am ranting for the sake of ranting.

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3. Luttig has no chance. Too strident. I don't want any 4th Circuit trash on the Court. Just pop Gonzales in and lets get it over with. He's fine by me.
And then we have another AG battle and more smearing from the Dems. That is just silly.

Hank Chinaski 09-12-2005 06:28 PM

Fun 2 Ways!
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
What's the difference between 1 million and 6 million. Is one more horrible than the other? And what is the significance of it happening in a country that site next to England. England was on the right side of that war.
Germany was a country not unlike England. Hitler thought England might actually get to be an almost-allie. Hes really thought so.

That Germany could do what it did, shows that England could conceivably do something similar. rememberance means don't forget.

Sidd Finch 09-12-2005 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
I didn't go read the story, but why is Holocaust day offensive to Muslims?

Because the fucking Nazis got all the Jews before they could get any. It's like when your brother eats all the cookies.


ETA: (On second thought, this might be too offensive to post.)

SlaveNoMore 09-12-2005 06:31 PM

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baltassoc
I didn't go read the story, but why is Holocaust day offensive to Muslims?
Because it dampens their celebration of the Holocaust on the other 364 days of the year.

Hank Chinaski 09-12-2005 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by ironweed
Do England and Germany share a border at Epcot?
there are no borders at EPCOT, only Gateways. You go straight to UK, maybe drop a LaBatt's at Canada, but you don't turn the corner and check out the rest, do you?

Gattigap 09-12-2005 06:34 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

And then we have another AG battle and more smearing from the Dems. That is just silly.
Gonzales is a silly nomination because it'll create another consent-required nomination to fill? Or because there'll be "more smearing" from the Dems during Gonzales hearings?

Oh, c'mon. You don't like Gonzales for other reasons, I'm sure. Pointing to this one as a reason to avoid nominating him makes little sense.

Sidd Finch 09-12-2005 06:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
That Germany could do what it did, shows that England could conceivably do something similar.

I suspect that most Brits would support Holocaust Remembrance Day, but that this would not be their reason.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2005 06:35 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
It was so patently obvious that it took the court until Griswold to find it. Man, those early Justices were stupid.

And all those poor inner-city black children that Kanye West says Bush doesn't care about? Who is paying for them now? Or do we only support people in Appalachia?

Is this the general or specific "you"? Because if I live in a trailer, I want the landlord to give back some of our rent.

And then we have another AG battle and more smearing from the Dems. That is just silly.
1. No, the issue just wasn't explicitly teed up until Griswold. Like I said, privacy was always implied, logically - obviously.

2. I'd give them all free birth control and abortions. I'd make it economically advantageous for the inner city and appalacia to not reproduce.

3. You know when its a general "you" and when its not. Don't be coy.

4. Gonzales is a perfect candidate. The Dems have to take him because he's as centrist as they'll get. Thats why I like him. He's as closse to a Rockefeller Republican as we'll see.

Gattigap 09-12-2005 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Because it dampens their celebration of the Holocaust on the other 364 days of the year.
I think that's why it's objectionable to (radical) Islamists at best.

Right?

SlaveNoMore 09-12-2005 06:36 PM

Eye on the Prize
 
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sebastian_dangerfield
The GOP knows their race baiting Southern Strategy has a limited shelf life.
Howard Dean (head of the Democratic party):

"Republicans don't care about black people"

The Republicans are the party of race baiting? Are you fucking kidding me???

Sidd Finch 09-12-2005 06:38 PM

Eye on the Prize
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Howard Dean (head of the Democratic party):

"Republicans don't care about black people"

The Republicans are the party of race baiting? Are you fucking kidding me???
The Southern Strategy never happened?

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2005 06:39 PM

Eye on the Prize
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Howard Dean (head of the Democratic party):

"Republicans don't care about black people"

The Republicans are the party of race baiting? Are you fucking kidding me???
Ahem. My bad. I meant "racist" baiting.

Gattigap 09-12-2005 06:40 PM

Eye on the Prize
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
The Southern Strategy never happened?
No, it happened. It's simply equibalanced by Dean.

Nixon and his political progeny sleep soundly tonight.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2005 06:43 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Gonzales is a silly nomination because it'll create another consent-required nomination to fill? Or because there'll be "more smearing" from the Dems during Gonzales hearings?

Oh, c'mon. You don't like Gonzales for other reasons, I'm sure. Pointing to this one as a reason to avoid nominating him makes little sense.
So you're suggesting Slave is a closet social consservative who doesn't like Gonzales because Alberto is soft on baby-killers?

Hmmm. I don't think Slave has ever stated what his personal view is on a woman's right to choose. What is that, Slave? What's your opinion on whether a woman has a right to choose? No politics. I just want to know if you think abortion is "murder" and/or women don't have the right to control their reproductive systems.

I told you mine - I think abortion is a lamentable necessity, and a right women must have in a free society.

SlaveNoMore 09-12-2005 06:43 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Gattigap
Gonzales is a silly nomination because it'll create another consent-required nomination to fill? Or because there'll be "more smearing" from the Dems during Gonzales hearings?

Oh, c'mon. You don't like Gonzales for other reasons, I'm sure. Pointing to this one as a reason to avoid nominating him makes little sense.
You move Gonzales to AG, and you (1) open him up to further smearing and attacks by Leahy, et al, even though they fully vetted him a few months ago, and (2) now you have to re-fill the AG position with a new person and start that whole process again.

My preference of other candidates has nothing to do with the strategy behind this.

Gattigap 09-12-2005 06:46 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So you're suggesting Slave is a closet social consservative who doesn't like Gonzales because Alberto is soft on baby-killers?
No. I'm sure that there are a variety of reasons why Slave prefers someone like Luttig over Gonzales, and don't know offhand whether abortion is one of them.

Penske_Account 09-12-2005 07:10 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
The world according to Penske: Anyone who believes in the right to abortion is "a culturalist of death."

Of course, Penske does not believe that "society's interest in protecting the unborn life outweigh's the mother's rights."

Go figure. (I figure that Penske is so full of shit that his eyes fart, but whatever.)
Nice Sidd, always make it personal. Scatologically. Really classless and puerile. Congrats, the Clintons have taught you well.

What's so hard to understand, I am against abortion on demand to the extent it now exists and think the law should reflect a greater requirement for personal responsibility. I do not think a 5 day fetus' rights trump those of the mother. At some point I think society's interest shifts from protecting the right of privacy (where is that one again) of the mother to protecting the right to life of the unborn child. I would say that line is about at the end of the first trimester.

Penske_Account 09-12-2005 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Because the fucking Nazis got all the Jews before they could get any. It's like when your brother eats all the cookies.


ETA: (On second thought, this might be too offensive to post.)
Not when put in the context of Arafat winning the Nobel Peace prize. The concept of "offensive" in the day and age of the modern liberals' Multicultural World of PC has been turned on its head. The Jews are the criminals and the facists and the terrorist childkillers are the celebrated victims.

Penske_Account 09-12-2005 07:22 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Gonzales is a silly nomination because it'll create another consent-required nomination to fill? Or because there'll be "more smearing" from the Dems during Gonzales hearings?

Oh, c'mon. You don't like Gonzales for other reasons, I'm sure. Pointing to this one as a reason to avoid nominating him makes little sense.
Bush owes the right wing a nominee. Its time to pay the piper. Janice Rodgers Brown. Specter should be very happy.

Penske_Account 09-12-2005 07:25 PM

Justice Janice Rodgers Brown
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. No, the issue just wasn't explicitly teed up until Griswold. Like I said, privacy was always implied, logically - obviously.
That is overly empirical for me. Could you give me a little bit of an intangible assumption ladenb analysis?


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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

4. Gonzales is a perfect candidate. The Dems have to take him because he's as centrist as they'll get. Thats why I like him. He's as closse to a Rockefeller Republican as we'll see.
And that is why the right hates him. Bush owes us. The time has come to pony up cowboy!

Spanky 09-12-2005 07:30 PM

The Gospel According to the Economist
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I absolutely love that magazine -- just have no time to read it anymore.

S_A_M
A man with taste. It is tough to keep up. The way I deal with it is I make it my only source of news.


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