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Rudy and the 9/11 hearings etc....

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This kind of talk angers me. It is not only not true, but it is not productive.

Rudy and the 9/11 hearings etc....

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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Mixed about this stuff. As much as I respect the NYPD leadership the last few years, I know that emergency (immediate) disaster response in this country is largely a bad joke. Key to understanding what I'm saying is the word "disaster" as compared to the hundreds of thousands of ordinary emergencies in this country every day.

Anyway, rivalry between a big-city Police and Fire department is not unusual. The fact that NYC as of late has still not sorted out who would really be in charge the next time (or the fact that almost nobody in this country is qualified to be in charge of both firemen and law enforement simultaneously), is not exactly a setup for glowing reviews of yesterday's witnesses. A few of these arrogant motherfuckers deserve Lehman's criticism which (to me) is really directed at their petty BS rivalries.

This stuff came before Rudy, existed under Rudy and (way more shamefully) still exists today.

I have a close friend who is one step below the top-level of emergency response in one of America's largest cities (guess which one, e.g., Coltrane!). He's in an upper-level position at an agency that would coordinate first-line responses in a disaster. Not so long ago I asked him if his agency had ever done coordinated simulations on the Police and Fire plans in the event of a disaster on the scale of 9/11. His response? These plans (which would, by their very nature be voluminous and require intense familiarity at command levels) are on a need-to-know basis. Outside the FD, nobody needs to know. Outside the PD, nobody needs to know. Inside the FD and the PD, nobody really knows who knows, so nobody knows who to call, or who is in charge, when the big one hits.

Does the media in your city ever ask about the response plans for the next 9/11? If not, now would be a great moment to start the inquiries. Because I guarantee you, 95% of the 100 largest cities in this country, do not have a plan, and couldn't coordinate between two agencies if 3000 lives depended on it.

So today I say, kudos to former Secretary of the Navy Lehman. It takes quite a bit of nerve to call a spade a spade in the context the NYPD and the NYFD, but its the only way these important issues will ever be addressed in the cities who need to prepare for the next one.

And fuck Von Essen's horse too.

Hello

The only intelligent response to the WTC would be to stand outside with loudspeakers saying "get the fuck out." The worst part is the guys who died going in to help. Its like how my firm gave everyone time to go donate blood 9/12-16. guess what? no need.

Rudy and the 9/11 hearings etc....

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The only intelligent response to the WTC would be to stand outside with loudspeakers saying "get the fuck out." The worst part is the guys who died going in to help. Its like how my firm gave everyone time to go donate blood 9/12-16. guess what? no need.

There is no way to prepare for the inconceivable. To try to blame the first responders when 400 of them died in their heroic attempts to save others is fucked up beyond repair.

The only people who deserve blame are the murderes and those who support them. Some of those who support them are American muslims, holding themselves out as the so called moderate muslims, who give money to these so called islamic charities knowing full well where the money is going. Your local mosque is filled with people who have given money to terrorists and are not naive about where the money is going.

Rudy and the 9/11 hearings etc....

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Originally posted by Not Me
There is no way to prepare for the inconceivable. To try to blame the first responders when 400 of them died in their heroic attempts to save others is fucked up beyond repair.

The only people who deserve blame are the murderes and those who support them. Some of those who support them are American muslims, holding themselves out as the so called moderate muslims, who give money to these so called islamic charities knowing full well where the money is going. Your local mosque is filled with people who have given money to terrorists and are not naive about where the money is going.

In the "you should burn in hell or otherwise be punished" sense, I agree. But believe me sweetie, the word "inconcievable" does not belong anywhere near the lips or ears of a NYC fire or police commissioner. Nuke bomb? Conceivable. Earthquake? Conceivable. Big building burning and falling down? Conceivable. Its all conceivable.

As Hank noted, in hindsight, the best response might have includes a giant neon sign stating "get the fuck out of there via the X stairwell in the Y building or the Z stairwell in the A building". Its certainly not "do nothing because we never imagined this would happen"!

Here is a simple plan that all local agencies should have: How do you evacuate the entire downtown area as quickly as possible at 1:00 on a workday afternoon?

Do you want to know something that is (sort of) funny? NATO is right now working on these exercises at a military level. Don't ask. Do you think von Essen and the brass of all these agencies need to start doing the same, or should they just continue to think that such a scenario is "inconceivable".

Believe me, my friend has "conceived" of some of these scenarios. I think his answer is that nobody else can figure out how to address them, so they quit trying. If they can't make the soup, they should get out of the kitchen.

Rudy and the 9/11 hearings etc....

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Originally posted by Not Me
This kind of talk angers me. It is not only not true, but it is not productive.

Do you know whats funny sweetie? If you knew the truth I know, you wouldn't even pretend to think things along the lines of what you wrote above. If Tom Clancy can sit around thinking up disaster scenarios, I guarantee you that the heads of local police and fire departments should be doing the same. Some of them are, in fact.

No Release of Oil Reserves

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Originally posted by Not Me
No. I am saying that I don't know if there is a provision allowing him (or her) to stop buying.

Is there a provision requiring the president to buy? It does not sound like there is. Therefore, it seems unlikely that there would be a provision about stopping buying. Also, it seems like some article or other would mention the fact that the president is required to buy, if that were a fact.

So, basically, you acted like something was a fact when you had no fucking clue.

Just like your kind.

woof!

No Release of Oil Reserves

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
So, basically, you acted like something was a fact when you had no fucking clue.

Wait. you're saying he is a Ty sock?

No Release of Oil Reserves

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wait. you're saying he is a Ty sock?

It seems bushy to me, which would argue lhasa not chihuahua.

Intelligenter than you!

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I give up. My final answer is:

Chocolate babies?

19. Gilligan Meets Jungle Boy
gs: Kurt Russell (jungle boy)

Gilligan discovers a jungle boy living on the island. He shows them a hole in the ground that causes objects to float, and the professor theorizes that it is expelling either helium or hydrogen. He immediately sets to work building a large balloon, with the hopes of carrying one of them back to civilization.

b: 06-Feb-1965 w: Al Schwartz and Howard Merrill & Howard Harris d: Lawrence Dobkin

Andrew Sullivan, about to jump ship

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Since we're making up IQ facts, let me point out that literal people have notoriously low IQs.

As always a straightforward post. No subtext here.

Intelligenter than you!

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
No Michigan counties are in the Top 10:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-wyoming_x.htm

you include boondocks-

http://www.co.oakland.mi.us/exec/ini.../economic.html

Oakland County is the 2nd wealthiest county in per capita income ($42,378) for counties over one million population in the U.S.

Intelligenter than you!

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you include boondocks-

http://www.co.oakland.mi.us/exec/ini.../economic.html

Oakland County is the 2nd wealthiest county in per capita income ($42,378) for counties over one million population in the U.S.

Hey Hank -- I lust for you more than I lust for any other male who posted on the politics board on lawtalkers.com after 8:00 am EDT and before 9:00 am EDT on May 20, 2004.

If you define it right, even the patently untrue can become plausible.

ETA Wow, hank, pitting your county's obviously self-serving website against a news site. That seems below even you.

Rudy and the 9/11 hearings etc....

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Originally posted by Not Me
This kind of talk angers me. It is not only not true . . .

How would you be able to evaluate the level of disaster-preparedness/emergency response in our major cities, as compared to, say, an ex-cop?

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Originally posted by Not Me
. . . but it is not productive.

Why, because the terrorists read the Board, so we should not criticize our emergency response capability? Maybe we'll give them the idea to attack before we can improve our procedures and readiness? Well played, sir!

S_A_M

Andrew Sullivan, about to jump ship

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Originally posted by Not Me
When taxes are cut, it stimulates the economy and this leads to larger revenues. Get it now?

Talk to David Stockman.

S_A_M

P.S. Your statement is so vague and overbroad as to be meaningless.

Intelligenter than you!

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Hey Hank -- I lust for you more than I lust for any other male who posted on the politics board on lawtalkers.com after 8:00 am EDT and before 9:00 am EDT on May 20, 2004.

If you define it right, even the patently untrue can become plausible.

ETA Wow, hank, pitting your county's obviously self-serving website against a news site. That seems below even you.

Before I forget, Pithacanthropus erectus called, he wants his brain capacity back.

Listen numbskull, I'm sure there are big areas with more $$, say the Kennedy estate for instance. Even Coltrane acknowledged the one county was some millionaire's playground in Wyoming or some fuck. I don't think the whole state of Wyoming has a million people. You guys, especially Ty, were explaining how we should be talking about cities not boondocks.