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Sidd Finch 04-03-2006 12:03 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
My ancestry is English and my parents met at a sons and daughter of the American revolution event. I know what they mean by Anglo culture and I know it sucks. Yes there have been many good Anglo scientists, philosophers etc. But as for traditions, food, fashion, etc. Anglo culture sucks.

If you could only listen to Anglo American music or African American music for the rest of your life what would you pick? If you had the choice between spending the rest of your life in Florence or London which would you pick?

As a kid, a friend and I in Palm Springs would switch off on News Years between the Jewish country club's New Years Eve party (Tamarisk) and the WASP country club New Years Eve Party (Thunderbird). Take a wild guess at which one was more fun.

Anglo society is always very stratified based on blood and ancestry (in both England and New England and in the South). What is more unAmerican than that? Anglo culture tries to base everthing on ancestry and not merit. America has been successful because our political philosophy has to a great extent overcome that heinous tradition. If our founding fathers had followed their culture instead of their enlightened political philosophy you would need to prove your heritage before you could run for the Senate.

The USA is more successful than most other countrys because we have more of a meritocracy than most countrys. However, our Anglo culture has been fighting the whole idea of meritocracy from day one. That is why I believe that America is great because we have overcome a great many of our anglo traditions instead of embracing them.

Buchanan simply has it wrong. Our political philosophy derived from the enlightenment is what made us great, not our Anglo culture.
When trying to understand a bigot, it is best not to analyze too deeply. Buchanan would probably call me "Anglo," despite my pure Italian blood. I've been referred to as such in the past.


That said, I otherwise agree with you. What makes America great is the devotion to meritocracy. We all learn in grade school that "anyone can be President" -- and we are inculcated with the knowledge that the person who ultimately is president will be he or she who is smartest and works the hardest, and that race, religion, sex, patronage, family connections, and inherited wealth will not be factors.

futbol fan 04-03-2006 12:13 PM

What's America Without Greed And Glamour?
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Are shaved pussies American? I think they must be. It's hard to imagine that a woman who didn't shave her armpits or legs would shave her muff.

Assuming I'm correct, I see some wisdom to Buchanan's view. Which is, in and of itself, quite scary.


(Arguably posted on the wrong board, but hey.)
Shaved pussies - truly a uniter, not a divider.

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What makes America great is the devotion to meritocracy. We all learn in grade school that "anyone can be President" -- and we are inculcated with the knowledge that the person who ultimately is president will be he or she who is smartest and works the hardest, and that race, religion, sex, patronage, family connections, and inherited wealth will not be factors.
You have made me stop Hating America. Thank you. Thank you.

Gattigap 04-03-2006 12:40 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
When trying to understand a bigot, it is best not to analyze too deeply. Buchanan would probably call me "Anglo," despite my pure Italian blood. I've been referred to as such in the past.

Down in Southern California, the rough categorization shows that Anglo appears to include anyone who isn't Latino. So yes, Sidd, you're now an Anglo, though we know you're-a one spic-y meatball!

taxwonk 04-03-2006 01:32 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Down in Southern California, the rough categorization shows that Anglo appears to include anyone who isn't Latino.
Even the Jews?

Hank Chinaski 04-03-2006 01:58 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by taxwonk
Even the Jews?
Jews are the devil. Haven't you ever heard daniel Carver?

Gattigap 04-03-2006 02:24 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by taxwonk
Even the Jews?
Surely. Shalom, brother!

Sidd Finch 04-03-2006 02:27 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by taxwonk
Even the Jews?
Well, let's not get carried away here.

taxwonk 04-03-2006 03:27 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Jews are the devil. Haven't you ever heard daniel Carver?
No. Is he Italian? They killed Jesus, you know..

Sexual Harassment Panda 04-03-2006 05:36 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by taxwonk
Even the Jews?
They control Hollywood, you know.

Sidd Finch 04-03-2006 06:03 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
They control Hollywood, you know.
And they hate the Exclusionary rule.

ltl/fb 04-03-2006 06:38 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
And they hate the Exclusionary rule.
Don't you mean the exclusionary Rule?

Hank Chinaski 04-03-2006 07:25 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Don't you mean the exclusionary Rule?
Jews like the fact of rules mostly. It helps them with developing thier guilt.

Sidd Finch 04-03-2006 07:58 PM

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Don't you mean the exclusionary Rule?
That's your funniest post yet! Keep up the good work!

Hank Chinaski 04-03-2006 11:43 PM

just saying
 
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Tyrone Slothrop 04-03-2006 11:48 PM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
Wormer, dead!

Niedermeyer, dead!

DeLay, dead!

Replaced_Texan 04-04-2006 10:47 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Wormer, dead!

Niedermeyer, dead!

DeLay, dead!
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A
My oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine heading my way
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A

Mister bluebird on my shoulder
It's the truth
It's actual
Everything is satisfactual

Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A
Wonderful feeling
Wonderful day

sgtclub 04-04-2006 10:50 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A
My oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine heading my way
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A

Mister bluebird on my shoulder
It's the truth
It's actual
Everything is satisfactual

Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A
Wonderful feeling
Wonderful day
Now maybe we can get Cynthia to follow suit!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-04-2006 10:54 AM

Maybe we should save this one for Rove?
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A
My oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine heading my way
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A

Mister bluebird on my shoulder
It's the truth
It's actual
Everything is satisfactual

Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
Zip-A-Dee-A
Wonderful feeling
Wonderful day
As an alternative, when you're sick of that one:

Ding-dong, the witch is dead!
Which old witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding-dong, the wicked witch is dead.
Wake up, you sleepyhead,
Rub your eyes, get out of bed,
Wake up the wicked witch is dead!
Going where the goblins go
Below - below - BELOW
Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out!
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high (sing it low)
Let them know the Wicked Witch is dead !

Replaced_Texan 04-04-2006 10:54 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Now maybe we can get Cynthia to follow suit!
Who?

Gattigap 04-04-2006 10:59 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Who?
I think she's the twit Congresswoman who apparently assaulted a US Capitol Police Officer recently.

Yeah, she should go. Her sins of idiocy sound pretty equivalent to those of DeLay.

Replaced_Texan 04-04-2006 11:06 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
I think she's the twit Congresswoman who apparently assaulted a US Capitol Police Officer recently.

Yeah, she should go. Her sins of idiocy sound pretty equivalent to those of DeLay.
Oh yeah. Her. I thought he was talking about Cindy Sheehan. I'm sure it's the fault of the liberal media that her sins have not been as widely reported as those of Tom DeLay or even Duke Cuttingham.

But I'm in a good mood today, so I've got no problems not kick her out? She sounds like a real moron.

Though, to be fair, I wasn't too pleased with concert security people when they confiscated my pen the other day. I imagine that the Congressional police are even more of a pain in the ass to deal with than some $5 an hour Clear Channel security guard.

Hank Chinaski 04-04-2006 11:08 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
I think she's the twit Congresswoman who apparently assaulted a US Capitol Police Officer recently.

Yeah, she should go. Her sins of idiocy sound pretty equivalent to those of DeLay.
ummm, no.

only Republicans step down when compromised. Dems make the country fight through impeachment proceedings then all vote to cover each other's backs.

sgtclub 04-04-2006 11:10 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan

Though, to be fair, I wasn't too pleased with concert security people when they confiscated my pen the other day. I imagine that the Congressional police are even more of a pain in the ass to deal with than some $5 an hour Clear Channel security guard.
Did you throw your cell phone at him/her?

Gattigap 04-04-2006 11:14 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
ummm, no.

only Republicans step down when compromised. Dems make the country fight through impeachment proceedings then all vote to cover each other's backs.
You're right, Hank. DeLay's doing the Right Thing, and is emblematic of today's GOP. Let's see the rundown, from Wonkette:
  • Our deepest condolences to Tom DeLay, who ended the portion of his political career that relied on convincing people to vote for him in order to embark on that much more lucrative portion in which he just makes a shitload of money and exercises roughly the same amount of power and influence (depending, of course, on his legal situation — but we don’t think a little jail time will really stop the checks from flowing in for work in defense of Christianity).

    Yeah, we’ll miss the old bastard — he knew how to be a majority leader, dammit. It’s about taking the R.J. Reynolds corporate jet to your arraignment and not giving a shit, not being famous for your goddamn tan like some dimestore George Hamilton. It’s about multiple admonishments from the House ethics committee, comparing yourself to Jesus, flashing a shit-eating grin in your mugshot, money-laundering, calling for violent retribution against activist judges, and contacting six federal agencies to trail Texas Democrats! Boehner — you have some mighty big shoes to fill. And Tom — we’ll miss you. We hope you keep up the shamelessness, wherever you end up.

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    Asked if he had done anything illegal or unethical in public office, DeLay replied curtly, “No.” Asked if he’d done anything immoral, he said with a laugh, “We’re all sinners.”
    Oh, we could parse that “we” (Republicans? Congressmen? House Majority Leaders? Texans? Members of the DeLay family?), but we’d rather just accept it in the spirit in which it was offered. Tom, from those of us equally proud of being sinners, we thank you. While you were running things around here we laughed a little, we cried a little, and we learned a lot.

So hug 'em tight, Hank. From now on, we'll only see glimpses of our hero Tom as he goes deep, deep, DEEP undercover when he's not fighting to stay out of prison, and all we'll have to remember him by is the GOP votes of support to keep DeLay in his leadership position even when under indictment.

Gattigap

Not Bob 04-04-2006 11:15 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
ummm, no.

only Republicans step down when compromised. Dems make the country fight through impeachment proceedings then all vote to cover each other's backs.
Please. He resigned to avoid the shame of losing the election. If it was a matter of principle (like you suggest), he would have stepped down when indicted.

ltl/fb 04-04-2006 11:19 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Not Bob
Please. He resigned to avoid the shame of losing the election. If it was a matter of principle (like you suggest), he would have stepped down when indicted.
I'm (honestly) not understanding why he isn't serving out his term, unless there is something that is going to come out, or I missed it but there was a petition or something that 80% of the people in his district signed, asking him to step down. He won the R primary (and pretty handily, I think), so it doesn't seem like his constituents think he's THAT bad for the district . . .

Stepping down just seems whiny.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-04-2006 11:21 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Did you throw your cell phone at him/her?
I love this:

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she said "This whole incident was instigated by the inappropriate touching and stopping of me, a female black congresswoman."
. . . who happened to walk around the xray machine and then refused to stop when ordered to do so by a security guard.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-04-2006 11:22 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I'm (honestly) not understanding why he isn't serving out his term, unless there is something that is going to come out, or I missed it but there was a petition or something that 80% of the people in his district signed, asking him to step down. He won the R primary (and pretty handily, I think), so it doesn't seem like his constituents think he's THAT bad for the district . . .

Stepping down just seems whiny.
Does the governor get to appoint a replacement, or does it create an early special election?

If not, I agree it's bizarre (unless the party told him to leave now, so he's not an issue for the election this fall, which it could be if he's still around)

Hank Chinaski 04-04-2006 11:24 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
You're right, Hank. DeLay's doing the Right Thing, and is emblematic of today's GOP. Let's see the rundown, from Wonkette:
  • Our deepest condolences to Tom DeLay, who ended the portion of his political career that relied on convincing people to vote for him in order to embark on that much more lucrative portion in which he just makes a shitload of money and exercises roughly the same amount of power and influence (depending, of course, on his legal situation — but we don’t think a little jail time will really stop the checks from flowing in for work in defense of Christianity).

    Yeah, we’ll miss the old bastard — he knew how to be a majority leader, dammit. It’s about taking the R.J. Reynolds corporate jet to your arraignment and not giving a shit, not being famous for your goddamn tan like some dimestore George Hamilton. It’s about multiple admonishments from the House ethics committee, comparing yourself to Jesus, flashing a shit-eating grin in your mugshot, money-laundering, calling for violent retribution against activist judges, and contacting six federal agencies to trail Texas Democrats! Boehner — you have some mighty big shoes to fill. And Tom — we’ll miss you. We hope you keep up the shamelessness, wherever you end up.



    Oh, we could parse that “we” (Republicans? Congressmen? House Majority Leaders? Texans? Members of the DeLay family?), but we’d rather just accept it in the spirit in which it was offered. Tom, from those of us equally proud of being sinners, we thank you. While you were running things around here we laughed a little, we cried a little, and we learned a lot.

So hug 'em tight, Hank. From now on, we'll only see glimpses of our hero Tom as he goes deep, deep, DEEP undercover when he's not fighting to stay out of prison, and all we'll have to remember him by is the GOP votes of support to keep DeLay in his leadership position even when under indictment.

Gattigap
deep deep W-A-T-E-R

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-04-2006 11:24 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I'm (honestly) not understanding why he isn't serving out his term, unless there is something that is going to come out, or I missed it but there was a petition or something that 80% of the people in his district signed, asking him to step down. He won the R primary (and pretty handily, I think), so it doesn't seem like his constituents think he's THAT bad for the district . . .

Stepping down just seems whiny.
His announcement is that he'll be stepping down in a few months. I suspect this has everything to do with keeping the seat Republican, and that there will be some interesting jockeying to fill his spot on the ticket. He's a conniving son of a bitch even in death - got to admire that.

Sidd Finch 04-04-2006 11:28 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Not Bob
Please. He resigned to avoid the shame of losing the election. If it was a matter of principle (like you suggest), he would have stepped down when indicted.
I'm sure he planned to step down then, but we all expected a little delay.

ba-dum-bum. Man, I'm so happy even that makes me laugh.

Not Bob 04-04-2006 11:34 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
. . . who happened to walk around the xray machine and then refused to stop when ordered to do so by a security guard.
She's a Member of Congress. You would think that the security guard might recognize her (especially since this sort of thing has happened before, and they Capitol Police have reportedly put her picture up with a note that says "hey, she's a Congresswoman.").
  • The altercation took place at a checkpoint building in the Capitol complex. According to accounts by police officers and Congressional officials, Ms. McKinney went around a metal detector, as members of Congress are allowed to do. The police officer reportedly told her to stop, and when she did not he apparently tried to stop her, provoking a physical response from Ms. McKinney.

    She has acknowledged that she was not wearing the lapel pin that identifies her as a member of Congress. But she said that the police responsible for protecting lawmakers should recognize them on sight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/wa...4mckinney.html

Replaced_Texan 04-04-2006 11:36 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Did you throw your cell phone at him/her?
No, but like I said, suspect that the capitol police are more of a pain in the ass than concert security.

Plus, Naomi Campbell throws her cell phone at people all the time, and she hasn't had to resign from anything.

Hank Chinaski 04-04-2006 11:41 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Not Bob
She's a Member of Congress. You would think that the security guard might recognize her (especially since this sort of thing has happened before, and they Capitol Police have reportedly put her picture up with a note that says "hey, she's a Congresswoman.").
  • The altercation took place at a checkpoint building in the Capitol complex. According to accounts by police officers and Congressional officials, Ms. McKinney went around a metal detector, as members of Congress are allowed to do. The police officer reportedly told her to stop, and when she did not he apparently tried to stop her, provoking a physical response from Ms. McKinney.

    She has acknowledged that she was not wearing the lapel pin that identifies her as a member of Congress. But she said that the police responsible for protecting lawmakers should recognize them on sight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/wa...4mckinney.html
At other security checkpoints -airline or courts- "insiders" have to show ID to go around- do Congressmen need to do something similar? I can't imagine a lapel pin is all that identifies them. And whether he should have recognized or not, perhaps she would have been better off introducing herself- then- if he stopped her again- she could get mad.

I mean the point of the security is to protect all of congress. the cops need to error on the side of challenging, don't they?

Replaced_Texan 04-04-2006 11:42 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Does the governor get to appoint a replacement, or does it create an early special election?

If not, I agree it's bizarre (unless the party told him to leave now, so he's not an issue for the election this fall, which it could be if he's still around)
Yes. The governor gets to appoint a replacement. I'm still not sure why he did this a month after the primary unless Tom Campbell was just plain unpalatable to the Republican party.

I suspect that Steve Stockman, a true looney Republican that decided to run in District 22 as an independent because he can't stand Nick Lampson, the Dem who's running there, is also Unacceptable to the Gop.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-04-2006 11:44 AM

Oh shit.
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
At other security checkpoints -airline or courts- "insiders" have to show ID to go around- do Congressmen need to do something similar? I can't imagine a lapel pin is all that identifies them. And whether he should have recognized or not, perhaps she would have been better off introducing herself- then- if he stopped her again- she could get mad.

I mean the point of the security is to protect all of congress. the cops need to error on the side of challenging, don't they?
Hank and I agree.

Shape Shifter 04-04-2006 11:47 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
At other security checkpoints -airline or courts- "insiders" have to show ID to go around- do Congressmen need to do something similar? I can't imagine a lapel pin is all that identifies them. And whether he should have recognized or not, perhaps she would have been better off introducing herself- then- if he stopped her again- she could get mad.

I mean the point of the security is to protect all of congress. the cops need to error on the side of challenging, don't they?
What does this have to do with Tom DeLay?

Hank Chinaski 04-04-2006 11:58 AM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What does this have to do with Tom DeLay?
It doesn't. But the problem with arguning about DeLay is that no one here has ever defended him. Hell, spankster tried to run him out. So if you want to fight about Delay, you'll have to hope Penske comes back with a sock to argue back.

My point is that you guys, in contrast, cannot get your lips around the words "I agree this Democrat was wrong." GGG is the only one of you with any integrity.

Shape Shifter 04-04-2006 12:02 PM

Or my name's not Bluto.
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It doesn't. But the problem with arguning about DeLay is that no one here has ever defended him. Hell, spankster tried to run him out. So if you want to fight about Delay, you'll have to hope Penske comes back with a sock to argue back.

My point is that you guys, in contrast, cannot get your lips around the words "I agree this Democrat was wrong." GGG is the only one of you with any integrity.
I just don't see how McKinney's actions are significant enough to talk about.

Hank Chinaski 04-04-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I just don't see how McKinney's actions are significant enough to talk about.
But you've posted twice now. Can you type the words "I think she was wrong." -see if you can do that, then hit "post reply." this is a sort of test, i just want to see if you can do it.


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