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Hank Chinaski 01-07-2008 11:17 AM

GGG = BDS: Exhibit A
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Ha. Not surprised I got my ass handed to me in the one case tried re: McCarran. Kinda helps if you can spell the legislation. Why did I quit law again?

Anyway, I hear you on the Federalism issues, but what about #3? How does our natl health system not become a second class health system without the outlawing of private insurance or fee for service care, which I think we can all agree is an impossible scenario since that would violate the Constitution?
can't the government say that since they license doctors they can limit their salary? if i want a better air traffic controller, can I pay extra for a better one?

sebastian_dangerfield 01-07-2008 12:36 PM

GGG = BDS: Exhibit A
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
can't the government say that since they license doctors they can limit their salary? if i want a better air traffic controller, can I pay extra for a better one?
Do I need to explain why even a quasi-socialist would realize that can't and shouldn't happen?

Hank Chinaski 01-07-2008 12:42 PM

GGG = BDS: Exhibit A
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Do I need to explain why even a quasi-socialist would realize that can't and shouldn't happen?
what about in canada? it's not as built up, so there is freer airspace.

Secret_Agent_Man 01-07-2008 01:11 PM

M.I.A. Moron
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Clicking through a few articles on Malkin's site - I can across this gem from last week:

[Thottam reappears]
The "Los Angeles National Impeachment Center"? That is funny.

S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man 01-07-2008 01:13 PM

They're all attractive, but the faces are the key.

There are no wrinkles in mainstream porn.

S_A_M

Replaced_Texan 01-07-2008 01:26 PM

I refuse to get involved in another universal health care debate here.

Just assume I disagree with Sebby and Hank and move on.

Hank Chinaski 01-07-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I refuse to get involved in another universal health care debate here.
2.

Quote:

Just assume I disagree with Sebby and Hank and move on.
sebby said with universla care you can always pay for better. I said not true.

I don't think you can disagree with us both.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-07-2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2.

sebby said with universla care you can always pay for better. I said not true.

I don't think you can disagree with us both.
Dude, I just read up a little bit about the Canadian plan. It is presently a two tiered plan, and it works a lot like traditional private insurance. Docs who accept govt pay for any procedure cannot accept a private payment for the same procedure, but a patient and doc can opt out for any given procedure, and there are private clinics around the country which do strictly fee for service or insurance payment work.

"Two tiered" is not the same thing as a scenario where the govt "bans all private insurance." I think you're reading too much Heritage Foundation info on the issue. From what I see, we would get a two tiered system.

The "debate," whether that's good or bad, is another issue.

Diane_Keaton 01-07-2008 10:06 PM

Social Security
 
Um I just did some calculations and due to my sucky 401K planning habits I would really really like it if I got social security. When do I get that? And can someone explain which candidate is the least likely to negatively affect my chances at having SS when I retire? PS-I'm looking for a reasonably close nexus here between (1_ candidates and (2) the effect on whether SS is scrapped by the time I retire (in other words, I know that a Sharia-controlled America might jeopardize my benefits, so voting for candidate X would....etc. etc. but am looking for a closer tie-in.)

No I will not indicate my age.

Atticus Grinch 01-07-2008 10:59 PM

Social Security
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Um I just did some calculations and due to my sucky 401K planning habits I would really really like it if I got social security. When do I get that? And can someone explain which candidate is the least likely to negatively affect my chances at having SS when I retire? PS-I'm looking for a reasonably close nexus here between (1_ candidates and (2) the effect on whether SS is scrapped by the time I retire (in other words, I know that a Sharia-controlled America might jeopardize my benefits, so voting for candidate X would....etc. etc. but am looking for a closer tie-in.)

No I will not indicate my age.
Truthfully, I think you should vote for whichever candidates you believe are more sincere about federal budget deficits. If the social security trust fund is ever actually raided for its principal, it will be a desperate measure and will be privately regarded as a political necessity by both parties equally whenever it happens.

Alternatively, if you believe it's possible that SS recipients will become "means-tested" to qualify for benefits, it will probably be the Dems who do it. If you're concerned that poor people will continue to get SS and you won't, vote GOP.

Finally, use Wikipedia to find out when you start getting benefits, and in your next life, defer the maximum unless you have a fully funded defined benefits pension.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-07-2008 11:30 PM

Pwned!

Diane_Keaton 01-08-2008 09:35 AM

Social Security
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Alternatively, if you believe it's possible that SS recipients will become "means-tested" to qualify for benefits, it will probably be the Dems who do it.
Dang. I don't think I can bear to vote R this election unless the candidate is McCain. Let me ask this then -- do you think "means-testing" will take into existing 401K and savings and what not at the time of retirement? B/c I'm not going to have much of that and may qualify as "poor".

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-08-2008 10:20 AM

Social Security
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Dang. I don't think I can bear to vote R this election unless the candidate is McCain. Let me ask this then -- do you think "means-testing" will take into existing 401K and savings and what not at the time of retirement? B/c I'm not going to have much of that and may qualify as "poor".
No one has touched that third rail yet, so who knows what it would look like. My guess is that it will not be means tested like college scholarships but instead will have two components--full taxation of benefits for those with income over a certain amount. And a reduction/limitation in the maximum benefit payable at the high end. If I were asked to design a true "means test" it woudl certainly take into account existing 401k and probably savings as well (401k is easy to take into account through income because of the required minimum distributions).

BTW, missing out on Sarkozy must really be hurting now. On the other hand, his girlfriend sounds like a bit of a strompet, so perhaps there will be a chance soon.

Diane_Keaton 01-08-2008 11:10 AM

Social Security
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
No one has touched that third rail yet, so who knows what it would look like.
So why has everyone been scaring me saying I won't be getting SS checks by the time I retire?

Quote:

BTW, missing out on Sarkozy must really be hurting now. On the other hand, his girlfriend sounds like a bit of a strompet, so perhaps there will be a chance soon.
*sigh* I actually don't feel bad now because there is simply no way to compete with Carla Bruni. She's around my age AND has been around the block quite a few times yet she looks like a fresh-faced girl of 20 and has that sexiness that is impossible to pin down. Just like Isabella Adjani. Here's Bruni crooning Quelqu'un m'a dit . I don't know what Quelqu'un m'a dit means but if it means, "Diane will you scissor me?", then I'm like "Oui, N'est-ce pas?"

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-08-2008 11:24 AM

Social Security
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
So why has everyone been scaring me saying I won't be getting SS checks by the time I retire?
Politics of fear.

I don't see how SS could actually be eliminated for anyone who's paid into the system. Support for SS relies on the fact that everyone pays with the promise that everyone will get something out (by "everyone" I mean workers). It's not welfare, where you get something for doing nothing. And you can see how much support pure welfare for the poor has had over the last 15 years.

So, SS reform will mean figuring out how to take in more while paying out less, but still maintaining the core concept, which is a guaranteed minimum income for all people over a certain age. But obviously that leaves a lot of flexibility--more revenue comes easily from increasing the earnings subject to the tax. Guaranteed minimum income can be preserved while keeping the maximum down. And, of course, "certain age" can be raised so that you have to be 70 or more before getting full benefits.

SlaveNoMore 01-08-2008 02:51 PM

Ficus?
 
Yet another Clinton plant ...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/clinton...y533-thumb.jpg


... or a genuine idiot?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-08-2008 03:09 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Yet another Clinton plant ...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/clinton...y533-thumb.jpg


... or a genuine idiot?
Either way, Ron Paul supports his right to speak.

Diane_Keaton 01-08-2008 04:24 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Yet another Clinton plant ...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/clinton...y533-thumb.jpg


... or a genuine idiot?
Sure seems like a plant to me. I mean, NO woman irons anymore. A true anti-woman heckler would have said something like "Suck My Dick"

Hank Chinaski 01-08-2008 04:52 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Sure seems like a plant to me. I mean, NO woman irons anymore. A true anti-woman heckler would have said something like "Suck My Dick"
Me? I'm really backward. I still think a woman's place is in the cave.

Diane_Keaton 01-08-2008 05:03 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Me? I'm really backward. I still think a woman's place is in the cave.
You ARE really backwards if you'd rather have your shirt ironed than your dick sucked.

Hank Chinaski 01-08-2008 05:09 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
You ARE really backwards if you'd rather have your shirt ironed than your dick sucked.
i don't know if hillary ironed bill's shirts, or not. i do know he farms out the dick sucking.

Gattigap 01-08-2008 05:53 PM

And the VRWC trembled.
 
Time
  • I just got a call from a conservative marketing consultant I know. He is in a panic. "I am in the midst of a major crisis with a lot of people," he said. "Hillary Clinton is going to die today. Do you know what that means for conservative fundraising all over America?"

    I do. Big trouble. For most of the year, Hillary has been the only rallying point for conservatives, besides anger over immigration policy, which still divides some portions of the Republican Party. The consultant continued: "Emails are flying fast and furious to try to find out if she is dead and if she needs to be pulled from the copy" of direct mail pieces, which are set to be mailed. Some are going to try to just add Barack Obama's name, he said. Some may have to rethink the whole pitch.

    "There is a gigantic transition that will begin to take place," the consultant said. "The witch is dead, and life is going to change."

SlaveNoMore 01-08-2008 06:32 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Diane_Keaton
You ARE really backwards if you'd rather have your shirt ironed than your dick sucked.
Truth to be told, anyone can suck a dick.

But how many people properly press french cuffs?

Diane_Keaton 01-08-2008 06:39 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Truth to be told, anyone can suck a dick.

But how many people properly press french cuffs?
I can do both at the same time. I should run for office.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-08-2008 06:42 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Truth to be told, anyone can suck a dick.

But how many people properly press french cuffs?
How many people properly suck a dick?

Diane_Keaton 01-08-2008 07:07 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
How many people properly suck a dick?
I give up. How many?

Secret_Agent_Man 01-08-2008 07:20 PM

Ficus?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I can do both at the same time. I should run for office.
You should call me.

S_A_M :love:

Diane_Keaton 01-08-2008 09:56 PM

Linkies
 
Since blowjobs seem to have killed the board, maybe we can talk about McCain. This article is pretty good in succinctly explaining what went wrong with the McCain campaign and what's going right now:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...?partner=email


This, on the other hand, is a link to a very funny video involving a porpoise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x31QRAItTk4 (SFW unless your computer is next to an easily-offended Swedish speaking person.)

Atticus Grinch 01-09-2008 12:42 AM

Social Security
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Dang. I don't think I can bear to vote R this election unless the candidate is McCain. Let me ask this then -- do you think "means-testing" will take into existing 401K and savings and what not at the time of retirement? B/c I'm not going to have much of that and may qualify as "poor".
Then don't. Being a single issue voter is stupid enough; when your one issue is SS, it's even stupider. There's not enough differentiation between the parties on the issue for it to motivate anyone.

If you're as poor as you're letting on, you should be voting Dem as a matter of naked self interest anyway.

Replaced_Texan 01-09-2008 05:23 PM

Crying in baseball
 
I haven't really decided on a Dem candidate, but after the bullshit field day that was held over Hillary Clinton's supposed corpse in the last few days, I was overjoyed to see that the women in New Hampshire were as irritated as I was.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-09-2008 05:31 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I haven't really decided on a Dem candidate, but after the bullshit field day that was held over Hillary Clinton's supposed corpse in the last few days, I was overjoyed to see that the women in New Hampshire were as irritated as I was.
The woman who asked her the question that lead to her tears was on NPR this morning. She voted for Obama.

ltl/fb 01-09-2008 05:40 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The woman who asked her the question that lead to her tears was on NPR this morning. She voted for Obama.
Maybe it was all in the cracking of the voice, but I saw (no sound) a clip of the "breaking into tears" moment like 5 times last night and was unable to discern any actual tears. POSSIBLY there could have been some minor brimming of the eyes.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-09-2008 05:50 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The woman who asked her the question that lead to her tears was on NPR this morning. She voted for Obama.
I was amazed the so-called tears dominated a cycle of news coverage. Maybe the facts that there were assholes like Edwards trashing her for the non-event had something to do with that.

I think Obama got a little cocky and sure of himself, and that may have had as much to do with it as a moment of humanness from Hillary. There were lots of Obama followers and media who were pretty much declaring victory after one state. The 18 year old enthusiast you can forgive that bit of amateurishness - but Chris Matthews?

robustpuppy 01-09-2008 05:53 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Maybe it was all in the cracking of the voice, but I saw (no sound) a clip of the "breaking into tears" moment like 5 times last night and was unable to discern any actual tears. POSSIBLY there could have been some minor brimming of the eyes.
Obviously too weak to be president. Chick's are so fucking emotional.

SlaveNoMore 01-09-2008 05:54 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Replaced_Texan
I haven't really decided on a Dem candidate, but after the bullshit field day that was held over Hillary Clinton's supposed corpse in the last few days, I was overjoyed to see that the women in New Hampshire were as irritated as I was.
Iron my shirt.

ltl/fb 01-09-2008 05:59 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Obviously too weak to be president. Chick's are so fucking emotional.
Nuh-uh. Chick's rule!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-09-2008 06:13 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Iron my shirt.
Your candidate seems to suddenly have a lot of time on his hands - have him do it.

SlaveNoMore 01-09-2008 06:19 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Your candidate seems to suddenly have a lot of time on his hands - have him do it.
My candidate nearly came in third, yet spent no time in New Hampshire in the last 10 weeks.

If he's floundering after Florida, then talk to me.

--
Speaking of candidates, where's your boy Kucinich?

notcasesensitive 01-09-2008 06:30 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
My candidate nearly came in third, yet spent no time in New Hampshire in the last 10 weeks.

If he's floundering after Florida, then talk to me.

--
Speaking of candidates, where's your boy Kucinich?
There is some awful ABC News pick your candidate program that has you answer a number of questions and then matches you with your ideal candidate. It told me that my top three were (in this order) - (1) Kucinich, (2) Romney, (3) Huckabee. I can only deduce that they must all be in favor of gay marriage.

Needless to say, I do not consider those to be my top three candidates.

ltl/fb 01-09-2008 06:55 PM

Crying in baseball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
My candidate nearly came in third, yet spent no time in New Hampshire in the last 10 weeks.
Please. Less than 10% of the vote, and closer to Ron Paul than to Huckabee. On both sides, it was the first two and then everyone else had scraps.


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