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According to her statement, she showed him her congressional ID.

I get your point, though. However, consider the following.

One of the local courthouses (in the lovely hamlet of Beaucoup Egypt) allows judges and members of the Podunk Bar to walk around the metal detector, which is a huge perk because the line is always so damn long.

Anyway, attorneys show their bar cards. Judges just assume that they will be recognized because, heck, it's their courthouse. Thanks to the vagaries of history, this local town has a sizeable minority group, which has historically been poorly treated and hassled by The Man. (Let's assume that we have a bunch of Chinese who have been here since their great-great-whatever-grandparents built the local railroad as coolie labor in the 1870s.)

Anyway, there's a judge there of Chinese ancestry. Let's assume that all of his judge friends get a pass by the guard when they come back to the courthouse from lunch, but he consistently gets told "hey -- get back in line, Chow Yun Fat!"

I wouldn't excuse the judge for smacking Rusty with his Corpus Juris Secundum, but I can't say I'd blame him for trying to ignore the guy.

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I think she's an idiot, shouldn't have done it, and she should apologize. I think that her arrest and subsequent 20 hours of community service or whatever she ends up serving will probably make up for the crime and I think that the Capitol / Congressional / whoever they are Police should probably start watching Stephen Colbert's 434 part series "Better Know a District" so they can identify representatives on sight.

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i bet the capitol Police have greater turn over and new guards than does your courthouse, so your Judge has a great right to indignation.

Security going into events, ball games or concerts, they check everyone in bags and under coats. So you have this big mass of people not really moving and jammed together. The purpose is to keep everyone more secure, but it seems to me like it's really just creating a concentrated target for a bomber. the bomber doesn't care if he kills inside the stadium or outside. It just seems like that security is really of no value, and actually creates a really high impact target.

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And they took my pen.

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I think she was wrong, that she's behaving like an idiot, and she should probably lose her next election.

My point is that, on one of the banner days for Republicans everywhere, your ire is apparently saved for a twit Congresswoman who threw a fit at a security guard. Wanting to change the subject is certainly understandable, but just so you know, your jumping up and down and yelling "Oooo! Ooooo! You're being hypocritical because you won't chastise some Democrat!" can't erase the smiles today.

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What's the quote from animal house after Otter hits Grag, is it "Man, you're dumb" or "Man, you're stupid?"

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This is ridiculous. Even if everything she alleges is true, which I highly doubt, it's no excuse for battery.

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The Washington Post is pointing this out: Though DeLay is a fucking master at raising money (though, to be fair, so is Nick Lampson, which is why all the other Dems quickly bowed out when Lampson started gunning for DeLay), and I haven't heard any reports at all that he's had any trouble raising cash, even with his recent legal issues.

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Did you see this part of the post? (emphasis added)

Anglo Culture = Superior Culture?
 

No, apparently that's the WASPs. Dershowitz, need I say more?

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But how about her record for mendacity, corruption, and evil?

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Don't recall offhand, but unless the quote is something like "WATER has become a pathetic excuse for argument" then you may be thinking of the wrong movie.

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I understand some can be used as a crime deterrent device.

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If he resigns before he's convicted he gets to keep his pension.

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Bet they don't. Capitol police is one sweet gig. Of the 78 or so police forces with jurisdiction in DC, it's got to be one of the two or three cushiest.

Or was until that guy went on a rampage last year.

Which isn't to say that they're pushovers. Congress holds the biggest fucking checkbook in the world, and they're not going to scrimp when it comes to providing for their own security.

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Okay, that kind of arrogance and stupidity is nowhere near on the same level as DeLay. But calling it a racial thing, as she and her supporters did, is about as arrogant and stupid as say, Don Nickles.

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Dimwit. Let me explain. My original post wasn't trying to equate this fine Congresswoman's actions with Delay's. i was merely wanting to create a Penske-like excuse to bring up Clinton's impeachment. so when you start arguing logically (at your level- but still) about my post I admit you might win some points. It's like when Spank makes some absurdly unsupportable statement and digs in- you all argue with him like he actually means it.

You. Miss. The. Point.

W-A-T-E-R

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Are these the same cops who guard the Capital mall? Because if they're mall cops, I'm not surprised if they don't recognize congressmen - women - persons.

Hank, as you know -- I am a Democrat, a bona fide, card carrying dues paying member of the Democrat(ic) party. She was wrong. I don't know why she won't wear her stupid little pin. Seems like she's deliberately trying to get a reaction from mall security by not doing so.

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McKinney is a well-known far left nutcase who plays the race card at every opportunity.

She was wrong, and I'd be happy if she resigned. [But she has never had the power to be as corrupt as Delay. Hehe]

S_A_M

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I wasn't specifically referring to NotBob, just the excuses that are generally floating out there in the media. Sorry NB.

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My bet is it's stuff like this that keeps her in office. After all, everyone seems to spell her name right.

But, still, today is the day to celebrate DeLay. The McKinnies, Rummies and Roves will have their day another time.


You know it makes me want to SHOUT!
Kick my heels up and SHOUT!
Throw my hands up and SHOUT!
Throw my head back and SHOUT!
Come on now SHOUT!

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It's not clear when she showed her id. If he grabbed her after she showed it, then the cop has no excuse. But did she lead with the phone, rather than the ID?

As for courthouses, they typically have one or two secured entrances. Maybe 3 or 4? Congress has dozens of entrances. Each house office building has 2-3 public entrances, as well as others. And with 435 members, that's a lot of faces to keep track of, particularly when you don't see someone regularly (and they change their hair).

Is it worth debating much? No--I think the reason anyone cares is a) she allegedly hit the cop and b) she turned it immediately into a racial issue.

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If she were Tom DeLay, she would blame The Media and Liberal Democrats.

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Is she were tom delay she would annouce she is not running for reelection, and put her funds towards her legal defense.

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And here's the difference. She'll raise a separate legal defense fund while also raising more money toward reelection. Obviously, playing the race card pulls votes in her district. It's not that different from Bush pulling the patriotism card nationally - no substance, downright embarassing when you think about it, but, hey, it gets votes.

And --

CELEBRATE - Good Times!

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Hank, I think I met a relative of yours recently. Let me explain.

Sometimes during holiday season, I help our local church group sell Xmas trees. It's usually a good enough gig, as people are in good spirits that time of year, and you're selling what the people who come on the lot really want to buy.

One evening (I think only a couple of days before Xmas), I was helping a particularly grumpy fellow who pulled up in his SUV and started examining the trees on the lot. He comes to me and says, "That one right there for $75 -- how long has it been cut?"

Well, sir, I'm about 6'4" on the internet, and discounting about 4 inches for the top of my head, I think this tree comes up to my eyes, so I'd say it's about 6 foot.

"No, no, you don't understand. I'm asking you how long..."

Sure, yes sir. Like I'm saying, you might have another inch or so, 'cause I'm wearing boots today. So let's call it 6'1".

"No, dammit, I'm not asking about that. How long has it been cut?"

Well, like I say, it probably tops out at 6'1", but I really wouldn't go any longer than that, unless you want to count the height added by the tree stand.

"Nevermind, you idiot. I don't have time to discuss this anymore. Look, I'll take it. Here's the money."

We got the tree loaded onto the top of his Detroit-manufactured SUV, and as he got into the car, he looked back at me and snarled, "You are one real dimwit, you know that?"

There's a rejoinder to this, Hank. PM me the answer you think might be coming, and I'll know for sure if this guy was your brother, or if he was just a pretender to the throne.

Gattigap

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McKinney was wrong to throw her cell phone at a security officer.


But this is still completely, utterly irrelevant to Delay. It is simple "hey, look over there!" argument.

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A better question would be, why are we falling for Hank's bullshit?

eta: The whole point of the "well, what about McKinney" comment is to distract from the discussion of Delay. It's the fallacy that a simple, stupid incident like this is anywhere near comparable to Delay's pervasive, premeditated abuses of power.

It's similar to the way Hank and his compadres always sputter "Clinton... monica.. perjury... blow job" in response to any discussion about Bush's twisting of intelligence to drum up support for the invasion he'd already decided on.

It's also Club's bullshit, so I won't give Hank all the credit.

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So you're calling her stupid?


Racist fuck.

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No problemo, club.

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I know that this is what you do, but I think you misunderestimate Spanky.

Hey, look over there!
 

Question is, when does Jesse Jackson get involved? That's the sign of a scandal to care about.

(although I suppose the capitol police don't have enough of a slush fund make it worth his while.)

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You think spanky is sincere in the stuff he posts? i guess you'd have to since you tend to argue with more than anyone else- always being shocked by how far out he goes.


But like you say, let's keep the argument on Delay. I think he has nice hair- do you want to argue about that?

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Is the question whether or not he has better hair than the hair on your current avatar? Maybe you could have a Tom Delay Commemorative Avatar mocked up?

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I've got no dog in Delay's fight.

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Us Con Law geeks are pretty excited about the prospect of litigation under Article I, Section 6's clause providing that "The Senators and Representatives shall . . . in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same . . . ." Woo hoo!

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Man, you're dumb! (or was it stupid?)

Club (or burger I can't remember) threw out McKinney's name as the next one who needs to retire- i don't think his point was her incident was quite as bad as Delay- i think he just didn't have anything more to add to the Delay issue. Remember, a republican here actually worked to unseat Delay.

Rather than saying "Yes that Congresswoman certainly behaved poorly", 3 or 4 of you jump into how the cops were at fault. since there is a good chance a Federal cop is also a Dem, I suppose you coould claim you were criticizing a Dem- maybe go that route- But don't claim anyone was trying to derail a disucssion "about Delay" because there was none.

Here, let me give you something to post long responses to:

I think euro-caucasian values are the heart of america so we should be teaching them in all our school. do you think that is universally moarally a good idea?

Have fun Sidd- i bet you make some really realy smart good points!

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If she was grabbed, and she didn't know who was grabbing her, that's certainly a defense.

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Hank, I appreciate the nice things you say about me, but, please, this is not an argument about DeLay.

It's a celebration. Sit back, order yourself a pizza, crack open the sake, and enjoy the day. Let's party like its 2008!


Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey, Good-bye!

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If i do will sidd concede no one is trying to distract the issues?