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Hank Chinaski

01-09-2008 07:45 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Please. Less than 10% of the vote, and closer to Ron Paul than to Huckabee. On both sides, it was the first two and then everyone else had scraps.

who gives a shit. next week is bigger than any of those two. Rudy and McCain could actually win here in November. Shouldn't that count for something?

conf to ncs: I'm voting i the Dem Primary for your guy, Denny K.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-09-2008 08:43 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
It told me that my top three were (in this order) - (1) Kucinich, (2) Romney, (3) Huckabee.

Congratulations. You're insane, which qualifies you for social security benefits, your ticket out of the rat race.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-09-2008 08:48 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
My candidate nearly came in third, yet spent no time in New Hampshire in the last 10 weeks.

If he's floundering after Florida, then talk to me.

2. This is just a warm-up. McCain, sadly, will not be the GOP nominee (I have to admit, the guy's the most honest of them, which I like). And Obama will find himself savaged once again by the press, which will cost him South Carolina.

Rudy v. Hillary. Two self-interested, annoying assholes running for the ultimate class presidency. Lovely.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-09-2008 08:49 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Maybe it was all in the cracking of the voice, but I saw (no sound) a clip of the "breaking into tears" moment like 5 times last night and was unable to discern any actual tears. POSSIBLY there could have been some minor brimming of the eyes.

I spoke a little broadly there.

ltl/fb

01-09-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I spoke a little broadly there.

I was just using you as a jumping-off point. I had seen all the headlines and crap, but hadn't read any articles -- and then, it wasn't even crying. WTF was the big deal? Why was this a big deal? Why was there a huge media hoopla about her being out of the race when only one state had had any kind of primary activity?

I fucking hate election years.

Hank Chinaski

01-09-2008 09:59 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I was just using you as a jumping-off point. I had seen all the headlines and crap, but hadn't read any articles -- and then, it wasn't even crying. WTF was the big deal? Why was this a big deal? Why was there a huge media hoopla about her being out of the race when only one state had had any kind of primary activity?

I fucking hate election years.

the problem is 24 hour news. before, there'd be a story "Obama won in iowa, wonder how New Hampshire will go." Now they have to analyze for 12 hours a day to fill time, so Clinton is about dead, and she's crying. "America is not ready to elect a woman!" Meanwhile all these talking heads can't even see the question that carries as much prejudice WRT Obama.

The entire political process is fucked up and sucks. I can't imagine why I frequent a board to dwell on it, other than it does give me fringet face time, I suppose.

taxwonk

01-09-2008 10:26 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Congratulations. You're insane, which qualifies you for social security benefits, your ticket out of the rat race.

I don't know. If that were reliable, then I'd have retired years ago.

taxwonk

01-09-2008 10:30 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the problem is 24 hour news. before, there'd be a story "Obama won in iowa, wonder how New Hampshire will go." Now they have to analyze for 12 hours a day to fill time, so Clinton is about dead, and she's crying. "America is not ready to elect a woman!" Meanwhile all these talking heads can't even see the question that carries as much prejudice WRT Obama.

The entire political process is fucked up and sucks. I can't imagine why I frequent a board to dwell on it, other than it does give me fringet face time, I suppose.

Jon Stewart mailed that point exaactly last night, as well as clearing up the bullshit about Hillary's "meltdown," proving, once again, that the Daily is the only news source worth watching.

Hank Chinaski

01-09-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Jon Stewart mailed that point exaactly last night, as well as clearing up the bullshit about Hillary's "meltdown," proving, once again, that the Daily is the only news source worth watching.

smarter people simply rely on my posts.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-09-2008 10:37 PM

Crying in baseball

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Over the next two weeks the media will say Obama is faltering and Hillary is becoming the inevitable candidate again. At the same time, they will continue saying Rudy is dead in the water to force him onto the stage.

I think the Dem will be a huuuuge favorite to win based on likely turnout this year and understandable disgust with the idiot presently pretending to run the country. BUT, the media will make this appear to be the biggest neck and neck race in history. They desperately need the ratings.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-09-2008 10:39 PM

Crying in baseball

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For the good of the Republic, the Daily Show's writers should cut a deal with Comedy Central. This is bigger than mere internet revenue.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-09-2008 10:41 PM

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All I know is it's over for Edwards. There is a God.

Diane_Keaton

01-09-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Why was there a huge media hoopla about her being out of the race when only one state had had any kind of primary activity?

I fucking hate election years.

She's had unfair negative press coverage since her first day as First Lady.

Hank Chinaski

01-09-2008 10:45 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Over the next two weeks the media will say Obama is faltering and Hillary is becoming the inevitable candidate again. At the same time, they will continue saying Rudy is dead in the water to force him onto the stage.

I think the Dem will be a huuuuge favorite to win based on likely turnout this year and understandable disgust with the idiot presently pretending to run the country. BUT, the media will make this appear to be the biggest neck and neck race in history. They desperately need the ratings.

for decades, socks have been sending RT money after losing bets to me about Presidential elections.

Do you have PayPal?

ltl/fb

01-09-2008 11:07 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
For the good of the Republic, the Daily Show's writers should cut a deal with Comedy Central. This is bigger than mere internet revenue.

That would involve Viacom (Paramount, MTV, Dreamworks, BET, VH1, Nickelodeon) cutting a deal with the WGA.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-09-2008 11:40 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
That would involve Viacom (Paramount, MTV, Dreamworks, BET, VH1, Nickelodeon) cutting a deal with the WGA.

Can't Stewart raise money to buy his show, the way Letterman's "Worldwide Pants" owns his? That we he could cut his own deal, as Dave did. I've been going through withdrawl for months now, and the show he did the other night without writers wasn't that good.

ltl/fb

01-09-2008 11:51 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Can't Stewart raise money to buy his show, the way Letterman's "Worldwide Pants" owns his? That we he could cut his own deal, as Dave did. I've been going through withdrawl for months now, and the show he did the other night without writers wasn't that good.

Why don't you email Stewart and offer to represent him in the contract litigation that results? I'm sure it can all be resolved in a couple of weeks with you at the helm.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

01-10-2008 12:00 AM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
She's had unfair negative press coverage since her first day as First Lady.

She's also had plenty of fair negative press coverage during that time.

"Oh, look, subpoenaed files! Right here in my closet! Never thought to look there!"

(hi slave!)

sebastian_dangerfield

01-10-2008 12:01 AM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Why don't you email Stewart and offer to represent him in the contract litigation that results? I'm sure it can all be resolved in a couple of weeks with you at the helm.

Maybe go in with a baseball bat, like the crazed atty Randy Quaid's played in Caddyshack II.

Now I have officially hit the very bottom of the barrel in the world of references.

Actually, Quaid's deranged lawyer was the only watchable part of that abomination.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-10-2008 12:05 AM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
She's had unfair negative press coverage since her first day as First Lady.

She was a shrill harpy in those days. And she had 80s hair through 1996.

Hank Chinaski

01-10-2008 12:08 AM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Caddyshack II.

before he got married you know coltrane watched olsen twins movies on his roommate's tv. BUT he never admitted to it here. take a lesson.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-10-2008 12:09 AM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
before he got married you know coltrane watched olsen twins movies on his roommate's tv. BUT he never admitted to it here. take a lesson.

I liked "Jade" and "Hudson Hawk."

Hank Chinaski

01-10-2008 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I liked "Jade" and "Hudson Hawk."

favorite quote from "Under the Cherry Moon?"

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

01-10-2008 11:40 AM

Best ad one-liner of the campaign so far

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I'm Mike Huckabee, and I approved this message, because I believe most Americans want their next president to remind them of the guy they work with -- not the guy who laid them off.

Hank, you're supposed to keep us in touch with the pulse of the former Motor State. We need to hear about these things.

Tyrone Slothrop

01-10-2008 11:45 AM

President Bush, a year ago:

A successful strategy for Iraq goes beyond military operations. Ordinary Iraqi citizens must see that military operations are accompanied by visible improvements in their neighborhoods and communities. So America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks it has announced.

To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November. To give every Iraqi citizen a stake in the country's economy, Iraq will pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis. To show that it is committed to delivering a better life, the Iraqi government will spend $10 billion of its own money on reconstruction and infrastructure projects that will create new jobs. To empower local leaders, Iraqis plan to hold provincial elections later this year. And to allow more Iraqis to re-enter their nation's political life, the government will reform de-Baathification laws, and establish a fair process for considering amendments to Iraq's constitution.

Since then, almost 800 U.S. troops have died so that these things could fail to happen.

link

SlaveNoMore

01-10-2008 01:08 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
President Bush, a year ago:

A successful strategy for Iraq goes beyond military operations. Ordinary Iraqi citizens must see that military operations are accompanied by visible improvements in their neighborhoods and communities. So America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks it has announced.

To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November. To give every Iraqi citizen a stake in the country's economy, Iraq will pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis. To show that it is committed to delivering a better life, the Iraqi government will spend $10 billion of its own money on reconstruction and infrastructure projects that will create new jobs. To empower local leaders, Iraqis plan to hold provincial elections later this year. And to allow more Iraqis to re-enter their nation's political life, the government will reform de-Baathification laws, and establish a fair process for considering amendments to Iraq's constitution.

Since then, almost 800 U.S. troops have died so that these things could fail to happen.

link

Compare Michael Yon, who, unlike Atrios, has spent the better part of the last 4 years in Iraq on the ground (and should truly win a Pulitizer for his work):

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Media coverage of the war drew to a conclusion in many ways from that point forward. For most of the next two years, stories that illustrated the decline in security and unraveling of progress on the ground were widely reported, while those showcasing the pockets of progress, especially among the Iraqi security forces, were increasingly rare. So much so that when I finally succeeded in getting back into Iraq in late 2006, even I was truly amazed at the progress that had been made across Iraq with the training and management of Iraqi Army and Police forces.

There’s only a small group of writers who honestly spend enough time in Iraq to make serious claims based on firsthand accounts. But I’ve seen the Iraqi Army with my own eyes. I’ve done many missions in 2005 and 2007, in many places in Iraq, along with the Iraqi Army: please believe me when I say that, on the whole, the Iraqi Army is remarkably better in 2007 and far more effective than it was in 2005. By 2007, the Iraqis were doing most of the fighting. And . . . this is very important . . . they see our Army and Marines as serious allies, and in many cases as friends. Please let the potential implications of that sink in.

We now have a large number of American and British officers who can pick up a phone from Washington or London and call an Iraqi officer that he knows well—an Iraqi he has fought along side of—and talk. Same with untold numbers of Sheiks and government officials, most of whom do not deserve the caricatural disdain they get most often from pundits who have never set foot in Iraq. British and American forces have a personal relationship with Iraqi leaders of many stripes. The long-term intangible implications of the betrayal of that trust through the precipitous withdrawal of our troops could be enormous, because they would be the certain first casualties of renewed violence, and selling out the Iraqis who are making an honest-go would make the Bay of Pigs sell-out seem inconsequential. The United States and Great Britain would hang their heads in shame for a century.

Alternately, in an equation in which the outcome is a stable Iraq for which they (Iraqi Police and Army officials) are stewards, the potential benefits are equally enormous. Because if Iraq were to settle down, and then a decade passes and we look back and even our most severe critics cannot deny that Iraq is a better place, a generation of Iraq’s most important leaders would have deep personal bonds with their counterparts in America and Great Britain. This could actually happen. The ultimate irony is that many of those same people who would have gotten the blame likely would be getting the credit. But somehow I doubt there’d be as much of a circle-point to share the glory.

Read the whole entry - its worth it.

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/mome...th-in-iraq.htm

Tyrone Slothrop

01-10-2008 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Compare Michael Yon, who, unlike Atrios, has spent the better part of the last 4 years in Iraq on the ground (and should truly win a Pulitizer for his work).

I've read Michael Yon enough to see the ups and downs of his work. But what he's talking about there is security. The point of the surge was to improve security to allow political progress, which is what President Bush was talking about a year ago in what I quoted. It hasn't happened. By the benchmarks set by the surge's proponents a year ago, it's been a failure. The pro-war crowd is now -- once again -- defining the benchmarks for success down to what's been accomplished.

SlaveNoMore

01-10-2008 01:52 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
I've read Michael Yon enough to see the ups and downs of his work. But what he's talking about there is security. The point of the surge was to improve security to allow political progress, which is what President Bush was talking about a year ago in what I quoted. It hasn't happened. By the benchmarks set by the surge's proponents a year ago, it's been a failure. The pro-war crowd is now -- once again -- defining the benchmarks for success down to what's been accomplished.

And the pro-abandon crowd is completely ignoring what has been accomplished.

[Hell, they've stopped talking about Iraq entirely, since it is no longer all gloom and doom]

So where's the middle?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

01-10-2008 02:22 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
My candidate nearly came in third, yet spent no time in New Hampshire in the last 10 weeks.

If he's floundering after Florida, then talk to me.

--
Speaking of candidates, where's your boy Kucinich?

So if Fruitcake manages to take Florida, Huckabee gets S. Carolina, Michigan gets split three ways, and everyone ignores Nevada, SuperTuesday could be a lot of fun on the R side.

How many silvers can Romney take and stay in it? Is there any way to revive Fred Thompson? And when will Ron Paul win a state?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

01-10-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And the pro-abandon crowd is completely ignoring what has been accomplished.

[Hell, they've stopped talking about Iraq entirely, since it is no longer all gloom and doom]

So where's the middle?

Hillary.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

01-10-2008 02:41 PM

The only candidate with a sense of humor

Colbert selected as running mate

I think Huckabee wins the "which candidate would you like to have dinner with" contest. Only question is: does he have any objection to a few shots of Johnny Walker with the appetizer?

Hank Chinaski

01-10-2008 02:42 PM

Crying in baseball

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So if Fruitcake manages to take Florida, Huckabee gets S. Carolina, Michigan gets split three ways, and everyone ignores Nevada, SuperTuesday could be a lot of fun on the R side.

How many silvers can Romney take and stay in it? Is there any way to revive Fred Thompson? And when will Ron Paul win a state?

who is fruitcake? was Romney's dad a mormon, because he ran for Prez and I don't think anyone made an issue of it, or did they?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

01-10-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
who is fruitcake? was Romney's dad a mormon, because he ran for Prez and I don't think anyone made an issue of it, or did they?

Go to youtube and search "giuliani fruitcake" and see the video. It's his attempt to soften his image. Got to see it to believe it.

I have no idea what the issues were when George Romney ran - is Bilmore around? He might remember.

Tyrone Slothrop

01-10-2008 03:13 PM

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/...filiate.91.JPG

Hank Chinaski

01-10-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/...filiate.91.JPG

if romney had been thinking he'd have married 5 or 6 women. then he could have a wife all over each state. there is no way to cover all of western michigan with 1 candidate and 1 spouse.

SlaveNoMore

01-10-2008 03:46 PM

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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So if Fruitcake manages to take Florida

Stop harshing on Obama

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Is there any way to revive Fred Thompson?

Only if Rudy selects him as VEEP on a Law and Order ticket(although I'd personally prefer Jack Briscoe)

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And when will Ron Paul win a state?

When is the Seattle primary?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

01-10-2008 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if romney had been thinking he'd have married 5 or 6 women. then he could have a wife all over each state. there is no way to cover all of western michigan with 1 candidate and 1 spouse.

Maybe Rudy can recruit his exwives. Or maybe Mitt can.

futbol fan

01-10-2008 04:32 PM

Tears of a clown.

I don't usually have much time for Maureen Dowd, but she's got it in one here:

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There was a poignancy about the moment, seeing Hillary crack with exhaustion from decades of yearning to be the principal rather than the plus-one. But there was a whiff of Nixonian self-pity about her choking up. What was moving her so deeply was her recognition that the country was failing to grasp how much it needs her. In a weirdly narcissistic way, she was crying for us. But it was grimly typical of her that what finally made her break down was the prospect of losing.

ltl/fb

01-10-2008 04:39 PM

Tears of a clown.

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Originally posted by ironweed
I don't usually have much time for Maureen Dowd, but she's got it in one here:

I have heard a recording, and seen it, and I'm not getting breakdown. Jesus F. Christ, her voice barely wavered or whatever. WHYYYYYY are you and the stupid media making this out to be a big thing?

This getting blown out of proportion is making me want to support her because I feel like people are being really stupid about it.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

01-10-2008 04:44 PM

Tears of a clown.

Quote:

Originally posted by ironweed
I don't usually have much time for Maureen Dowd, but she's got it in one here:

Note that Dowd filed that one from Jerusalem with a byline of Derry, NH.

Clearly, she has keen perceptive sense to have such insight into Hillary's soul from half-way around the world.

This is just an excuse for the usual Clinton haters to circle round. Doesn't anyone else find it ironic that after the media completely blew the story in NH before the primary, trashing Hillary for days, they're trying to find cover by attacking Hillary again?

I hope Dowd has an ample ass, because she needs a lot of room for that head of hers.

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