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Tyrone Slothrop 05-31-2007 03:31 PM

three days late
 
Happy Memorial Day.

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/grave%20moore.jpg

bi-partisanship fairy 05-31-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Happy Memorial Day.

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/grave%20moore.jpg

In the spirit of bi-partisanshipism, I find it sad and pathetic, when the either the left or the right attempt to exploit our fallen heroes for cheap political messenging, as Ty is obviously doing here.

Interesting that Ty only posts the pictures, obviously in order to evoke a leftist sentiment, but leaves out the words of this hero's family:

Though Regan died in combat,, his family's support for the Iraq war remains strong. Criticism of it, either in the media or by politicians, serves to undermine the effort, said Regan's father, who is also named James Regan.

"What is written in the papers and what is being politicized out there by our candidates is undermining our service," said James Regan, a senior vice president at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, a Manhattan financial services investment bank.

"These gentlemen that are out there are mission-focused," he said of the troops. "They're trying to do the best job they possibly can. There have been mistakes made, why even list them? ... You cannot put men in the field of battle and then change your mind and go out as a whip-dog. Let the men do their job."
cite here: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jjregan.htm


Indeed Ty, GGG, Ironwuss et al. Let the men do their jobs whilst you boys clam up. America, love it or leave it! Bi-partisanly, of course.

Secret_Agent_Man 05-31-2007 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by bi-partisanship fairy
In the spirit of bi-partisanshipism, I find it sad and pathetic, when the either the left or the right attempt to exploit our fallen heroes for cheap political messenging, as Ty is obviously doing here.
Thanks, Penske.

Do you take all photographs of military cemetaries or grieving loved ones as a political, anti-war message?

Could they not equally be and should you not view them instead as a reminder of the great cost too many of our brothers and sisters have had to pay in service to our country? What do you think Memorial Day is all about?

Bi-partisanly speaking, and of course not referring to you, I've noticed that too many on the right over the past few years have seemed to hide from acknowledging the cost of this war and WAR in general, in anything other than a fuzzy, soft, cliche-ridden terms. The administration bars photography of coffins arriving at Dover, et al. from overseas for just this reason.

Regardless of your position on the War . . . Look at the graves, look at the tears. Don't shrink from them or avert your eyes. Acknowledge the cost of the policies you support and respect those who pay that price -- none of whom post here. Stand up to it, and, if you are so inclined, justify it.

Don't you dare criticize people for highlighting the tragic cost of war.

S_A_M

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Thanks, Penske.

Do you take all photographs of military cemetaries or grieving loved ones as a political, anti-war message?

Could they not equally be and should you not view them instead as a reminder of the great cost too many of our brothers and sisters have had to pay in service to our country? What do you think Memorial Day is all about?

Bi-partisanly speaking, and of course not referring to you, I've noticed that too many on the right over the past few years have seemed to hide from acknowledging the cost of this war and WAR in general, in anything other than a fuzzy, soft, cliche-ridden terms. The administration bars photography of coffins arriving at Dover, et al. from overseas for just this reason.

Regardless of your position on the War . . . Look at the graves, look at the tears. Don't shrink from them or avert your eyes. Acknowledge the cost of the policies you support and respect those who pay that price -- none of whom post here. Stand up to it, and, if you are so inclined, justify it.

Don't you dare criticize people for highlighting the tragic cost of war.

S_A_M
I'm not bothered by the photo. I find it touching. But can you explain why it is appropriate while Beslan and WTC jumpers are not?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-31-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by bi-partisanship fairy
In the spirit of bi-partisanshipism, I find it sad and pathetic, when the either the left or the right attempt to exploit our fallen heroes for cheap political messenging, as Ty is obviously doing here.

Interesting that Ty only posts the pictures, obviously in order to evoke a leftist sentiment, but leaves out the words of this hero's family:

Though Regan died in combat,, his family's support for the Iraq war remains strong. Criticism of it, either in the media or by politicians, serves to undermine the effort, said Regan's father, who is also named James Regan.

"What is written in the papers and what is being politicized out there by our candidates is undermining our service," said James Regan, a senior vice president at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, a Manhattan financial services investment bank.

"These gentlemen that are out there are mission-focused," he said of the troops. "They're trying to do the best job they possibly can. There have been mistakes made, why even list them? ... You cannot put men in the field of battle and then change your mind and go out as a whip-dog. Let the men do their job."
cite here: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jjregan.htm


Indeed Ty, GGG, Ironwuss et al. Let the men do their jobs whilst you boys clam up. America, love it or leave it! Bi-partisanly, of course.
It's good to hear you are ready to enlist - we need people like you over there in the front lines!

Tyrone Slothrop 05-31-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm not bothered by the photo. I find it touching. But can you explain why it is appropriate while Beslan and WTC jumpers are not?
Do you really not grasp any pertinent difference between posting that photo and posting the photo of someone in the act of jumping out of the World Trade Center?

I didn't think so.

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Do you really not grasp any pertinent difference between posting that photo and posting the photo of someone in the act of jumping out of the World Trade Center?

I didn't think so.
one is trying to take advantage of an unfortunate reality we cannot avoid and one is trying to remind everyone of a horrible possibility we need to avoid?

are the families of guys killed in Afghanistan sad?

Tyrone Slothrop 05-31-2007 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
one is trying to take advantage of an unfortunate reality we cannot avoid and one is trying to remind everyone of a horrible possibility we need to avoid?

are the families of guys killed in Afghanistan sad?
That soldier could have been killed in Peru for all I knew. All I saw was the photo.

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2007 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That soldier could have been killed in Peru for all I knew. All I saw was the photo.
for someone who is perceived as having such bad motives it seems you always have good intentions. can I call you Rasheed?

SlaveNoMore 05-31-2007 10:00 PM

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Secret_Agent_Man
Do you take all photographs of military cemetaries or grieving loved ones as a political, anti-war message?
I assumed it was just a new Benetton ad.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-31-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
for someone who is perceived as having such bad motives it seems you always have good intentions. can I call you Rasheed?
From you it would be a complement.

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
From you it would be a complement.
:love: :love:

ltl/fb 05-31-2007 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
From you it would be a complement.
Complement to what?

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2007 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Complement to what?
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :

Ty, sorry. you're out.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-31-2007 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Ty, sorry. you're out.
Does that make me Darko?

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/images...arko_shirt.gif

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2007 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Does that make me Darko?

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/images...arko_shirt.gif
maybe. all I know is fringey is my franchise playa! word!

Tyrone Slothrop 06-01-2007 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Complement to what?
The other Pistons, of course. They play as a team.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-01-2007 10:43 AM

This is nutty:
  • The Republican National Committee, hit by a grass-roots donors' rebellion over President Bush's immigration policy, has fired all 65 of its telephone solicitors, Ralph Z. Hallow will report Friday in The Washington Times.

    Faced with an estimated 40 percent fall-off in small-donor contributions and aging phone-bank equipment that the RNC said would cost too much to update, Anne Hathaway, the committee's chief of staff, summoned the solicitations staff last week and told them they were out of work, effective immediately, the fired staffers told The Times.

Washington Times, via TPM

sgtclub 06-01-2007 12:20 PM

Good Press
 
This: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/01/us...gewanted=print

links to a NYT story on Obama and pick up b-ball. Great press and a fun read. I especially like the comparisons between the BS sports played by former Presidents and hopefulls (sailing, wind surfing, etc.) and this.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-01-2007 01:01 PM

Good Press
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
This: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/01/us...gewanted=print

links to a NYT story on Obama and pick up b-ball. Great press and a fun read. I especially like the comparisons between the BS sports played by former Presidents and hopefulls (sailing, wind surfing, etc.) and this.
I like the synecdoche here:
  • Mr. Robinson, now the coach of Brown University’s men’s team, said the 6-foot-2 senator is too skinny to be an imposing presence, but he is fast, with good wind even when he was a smoker. Mr. Obama is left-handed, and his signature move is to fake right and veer left, surprising players used to guarding right-handed competitors.

Secret_Agent_Man 06-01-2007 01:25 PM

three days late
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm not bothered by the photo. I find it touching. But can you explain why it is appropriate while Beslan and WTC jumpers are not?
Me too.

I suppose that depends on the photo. I don't think pictures of WTC jumpers are inappropriate -- though a shot after they landed would probably be a bit too graphic for this Board. I don't think I ever saw the Beslan pictures -- were they graphic?

S_A_M

Tyrone Slothrop 06-01-2007 01:40 PM

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fair and balanced 06-01-2007 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Me too.

I suppose that depends on the photo. I don't think pictures of WTC jumpers are inappropriate -- though a shot after they landed would probably be a bit too graphic for this Board. I don't think I ever saw the Beslan pictures -- were they graphic?

S_A_M
IIRC, like much of the speech that the liberal establishment who hate free speech, or at least speech that doesn't hew to the liberal dogma, those pics fell victem to the oppressive hand of liberal board censorship, i.e. Ty deleted.

How come Hank is not a mod?

Tyrone Slothrop 06-01-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by fair and balanced
IIRC, like much of the speech that the liberal establishment who hate free speech, or at least speech that doesn't hew to the liberal dogma, those pics fell victem to the oppressive hand of liberal board censorship, i.e. Ty deleted.
Those weren't Beslan pictures. Which I point out only to note that calling yourself fair and balanced seems to mean that you get shit wrong. Oh the humanity!

Hank Chinaski 06-01-2007 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Those weren't Beslan pictures. Which I point out only to note that calling yourself fair and balanced seems to mean that you get shit wrong. Oh the humanity!
someone deleted diane's Beslan pix, but I seem to remember it wasn't Ty. they were disturbing, because they were of scared shitless little kids, but they weren't graphic (post take over, pre killing starting).

Shape Shifter 06-01-2007 03:41 PM

Out of the Frying Pan, Into the Fire
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070601/...iraqi_refugees

Tyrone Slothrop 06-01-2007 05:01 PM

I heart Charles Pierce
 
  • The success or failure of Fred Dalton Thompson's campaign for president will depend ultimately on the cornpone novelization of him that's already under way. (Chris Matthews has grown quite damp.) The guy was a not-very-distinguished senator, who quit because senatorin' was too damn hard, a skirt-chasing Washington lawyer, and a movie actor. Period. His resumé makes him out to be approximately as macho a figure as Clark Clifford or Alger Hiss. His politics, where they can be puzzled out at all, are almost resolutely More Of The Same, The Same being those policies rejected (in one obvious case) by up to 70 percent of the American people.

    Therefore, all of the earnest speculation about his manly-man appeal to the base is based on how much utter bulls**t the man can sling between now and the first primary. He's a performance piece, nothing more. There isn't an ounce of authenticity to him that isn't storebought. He actually is the complete fake that the Cool Kids pretended Al Gore was in 2000. He's even from Tennessee and, it is said, he once dated cute li'l Maggie Carlson, the chipmunk-cheeked lightweight in the moonman glasses who once famously thought Gore was talkin' too smart for the likes of her vaporous self.

    Ain't got to worry about none of that with ol' Fred, missy. He talks to you straight -- at $700 an hour. He can speak to The Base? Wonderful. Speaking To The Base is what sent this party up on the rocks in the first place. The best chance he has is if the elite political media will create for him a character he can play on the national stage, the way Dick Wolf let him nearly ruin Law and Order over the past three years. I can't think of a presidential candidate in recent years whose actual life and career is so far removed from the stage-managed image his handlers and their enablers will project on a country they firmly believe is too stupid to know that it's being played.

    Oh, wait.

    Yes I can.

    p.s. -- And here is Exhibit A already. Note that the artful fakery begins right there after ol' Cornpone's name. He "will offer himself as a down-home antidote to Washington politics." (Hey, Michael and Dan, whose home is Fred "down"? Yours?) Ah, to look at the country and see such a nation of suckers. The guy was a lobbyist for 18 years. He'll be a lobbyist again five seconds after either his campaign or (god forbid) his administration ends. If it weren't for "Washington politics," he'd be hustling the Oak Ridge Boys for their representation. If A Face In The Crowd isn't already in every reporter's NetFlix queue, it ought to be.

    p.p.s. -- Oh, if you're planning on being a down-home antidote to Washington politics, your first move probably shouldn't be hiring a corruptly appointed U.S. Attorney whose only real talent appears to be in oppo research and vote suppression. Just sayin'.

    p.p.p.s -- How easy will it be for Cornpone to dazzle the rubes? Read this transcript and gaze in awe as Howie Fineman tells Alison Stewart how he can read John McCain's "secret language" as to how terrible it is that McCain was forced to whore himself out to the part of his party that thinks Bill O'Reilly is a public intellectual. I swear, you could make a fortune selling these guys bagsful of magic beans.

linkeroo

Secret_Agent_Man 06-01-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by fair and balanced
IIRC, like much of the speech that the liberal establishment who hate free speech, or at least speech that doesn't hew to the liberal dogma, those pics fell victem to the oppressive hand of liberal board censorship, i.e. Ty deleted.

How come Hank is not a mod?
I keep forgetting that my "Ignore" feature only works if I'm logged in.

S_A_M

Hank Chinaski 06-01-2007 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I keep forgetting that my "Ignore" feature only works if I'm logged in.

S_A_M
he did raise one very good question. legal was about to make me the mod on the old spanky board, so I am qualified.

juan, usmc 06-01-2007 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
he did raise one very good question. legal was about to make me the mod on the old spanky board, so I am qualified.
diría "dos!!", pero robaste mi calcetín en el otro lugar! Usted esta el famban barretoso!

SlaveNoMore 06-01-2007 06:19 PM

I heart Charles Pierce
 
Quote:

Tyrone Slothrop [list]The success or failure of Fred Dalton Thompson's campaign for president will depend ultimately on the cornpone novelization of him that's already under way. (Chris Matthews has grown quite damp.) The guy was a not-very-distinguished senator, who quit because senatorin' was too damn hard...yada yada
Interesting smear job.

Pray tell, how does the author feel about Senator "I have less experience in Washington than a 20 year old staffer" Barack Obama?

Tyrone Slothrop 06-01-2007 06:26 PM

I heart Charles Pierce
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Pray tell, how does the author feel about Senator "I have less experience in Washington than a 20 year old staffer" Barack Obama?
I don't know about Pierce, but one of Sully's readers says:
  • Just something I found interesting. Barack Obama's candidacy has been criticized because of his lack of governmental experience. He spent about 8 years as an Illinois state senator and will, by '08, have spent almost 4 years in the U.S. Senate.

    What about Fred Thompson? He doesn't get the "lack of experience" criticism, but he was in the Senate for only about 8 years - he filled the last 2 years of Gore's term, and then had one full term of his own. Other than this, he's never been elected to anything. He was an assistant US Attorney for 3 years and served about a year as an attorney for a Congressional committee investigating Watergate.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...on_obama_.html

SlaveNoMore 06-01-2007 06:27 PM

Good Press
 
Quote:

sgtclub
This: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/01/us...gewanted=print

links to a NYT story on Obama and pick up b-ball. Great press and a fun read. I especially like the comparisons between the BS sports played by former Presidents and hopefulls (sailing, wind surfing, etc.) and this.
Nice eloquent puff piece.

Translation: Unlike those cracker-ass-crackers with their country club bullshit, homie keeps it real on the court.

SlaveNoMore 06-01-2007 06:32 PM

I heart Charles Pierce
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know about Pierce, but one of Sully's readers says:
  • Just something I found interesting. Barack Obama's candidacy has been criticized because of his lack of governmental experience. He spent about 8 years as an Illinois state senator and will, by '08, have spent almost 4 years in the U.S. Senate.

    What about Fred Thompson? He doesn't get the "lack of experience" criticism, but he was in the Senate for only about 8 years - he filled the last 2 years of Gore's term, and then had one full term of his own. Other than this, he's never been elected to anything. He was an assistant US Attorney for 3 years and served about a year as an attorney for a Congressional committee investigating Watergate.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...on_obama_.html
So, according to this guy, Thompson spent 8 years as a US Senator. Not exactly Kennedyesque - but substantial.

But who is he kidding - Obama has spent 1 year as a US Senator, and now 2 years on the campaign trail.

These comparisons are silly.

Replaced_Texan 06-01-2007 06:35 PM

I heart Charles Pierce
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know about Pierce, but one of Sully's readers says:
  • Just something I found interesting. Barack Obama's candidacy has been criticized because of his lack of governmental experience. He spent about 8 years as an Illinois state senator and will, by '08, have spent almost 4 years in the U.S. Senate.

    What about Fred Thompson? He doesn't get the "lack of experience" criticism, but he was in the Senate for only about 8 years - he filled the last 2 years of Gore's term, and then had one full term of his own. Other than this, he's never been elected to anything. He was an assistant US Attorney for 3 years and served about a year as an attorney for a Congressional committee investigating Watergate.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...on_obama_.html
He's been a White House Chief of Staff and an Air Traffic Control chief, not to mention a rear Admiral and the Director of Central Intelligence AND the District Attorney for New York City. No experience. Hmph.

Shape Shifter 06-01-2007 06:42 PM

Vote Fraud
 
It really does exist!
  • (AP) Conservative columnist Ann Coulter has refused to cooperate in an investigation about whether she voted in the wrong precinct, so the case will likely be turned over to state prosecutors, Palm Beach County's elections chief said Wednesday.

    Elections Supervisor Arthur Anderson said his office has been looking into the matter for nearly nine months, and he would turn over the case to the state attorney's office by Friday.

    Coulter's attorney did not immediately return a telephone message Wednesday and her telephone number in Palm Beach is unpublished. A message left for Tara Gilbride, a publicist for Coulter's publisher, The Crown Publishing Group, owned by Random House Inc., was also not immediately returned.

    Anderson's office received a complaint in February that Coulter allegedly voted in the wrong precinct during a Feb. 7 Palm Beach town council election. Since then, Anderson said he has made repeated attempts to resolve the matter with Coulter and her attorney but has been rebuffed.

    Anderson, a Democrat, said an initial letter was sent to Coulter on March 27 requesting that she clarify her address for the voting records "or face the possibility of her voter registration being rescinded."

    Three more letters were sent to Coulter and her attorney over the next several months, but she has yet to respond with the information requested, Anderson said.

    In July, Anderson said, he received a letter from Coulter's attorney, Marcos Daniel Jimenez D'Clouet. The letter said the attorney would only discuss the matter in person or by telephone because he complained Anderson had given details to the media. Anderson said the matter had to be discussed in writing.

    Knowingly voting in a wrong precinct is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison, said Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney's office in West Palm Beach.

    Edmondson said his office generally reviews such cases, then turns them over to local authorities for a full investigation that could result in an arrest if intent is proven.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...r=HOME_2143882


I'm sure the Gonzales Justice Department will vigorously investigate.

SlaveNoMore 06-01-2007 06:53 PM

Vote Fraud
 
Quote:

Shape Shifter
It really does exist!
  • (AP) Conservative columnist Ann Coulter has refused to cooperate in an investigation about whether she voted in the wrong precinct, so the case will likely be turned over to state prosecutors, Palm Beach County's elections chief said Wednesday.

    Elections Supervisor Arthur Anderson said his office has been looking into the matter for nearly nine months, and he would turn over the case to the state attorney's office by Friday.

    Coulter's attorney did not immediately return a telephone message Wednesday and her telephone number in Palm Beach is unpublished. A message left for Tara Gilbride, a publicist for Coulter's publisher, The Crown Publishing Group, owned by Random House Inc., was also not immediately returned.

    Anderson's office received a complaint in February that Coulter allegedly voted in the wrong precinct during a Feb. 7 Palm Beach town council election. Since then, Anderson said he has made repeated attempts to resolve the matter with Coulter and her attorney but has been rebuffed.

    Anderson, a Democrat, said an initial letter was sent to Coulter on March 27 requesting that she clarify her address for the voting records "or face the possibility of her voter registration being rescinded."

    Three more letters were sent to Coulter and her attorney over the next several months, but she has yet to respond with the information requested, Anderson said.

    In July, Anderson said, he received a letter from Coulter's attorney, Marcos Daniel Jimenez D'Clouet. The letter said the attorney would only discuss the matter in person or by telephone because he complained Anderson had given details to the media. Anderson said the matter had to be discussed in writing.

    Knowingly voting in a wrong precinct is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison, said Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney's office in West Palm Beach.

    Edmondson said his office generally reviews such cases, then turns them over to local authorities for a full investigation that could result in an arrest if intent is proven.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...r=HOME_2143882


I'm sure the Gonzales Justice Department will vigorously investigate.
How utterly interesting that of all the votes in Palm Beach County, they chose to challenge hers.

Curious to see out how many other voters were "investigated" by Anderson.

Shape Shifter 06-01-2007 06:56 PM

Vote Fraud
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
How utterly interesting that of all the votes in Palm Beach County, they chose to challenge hers.

Curious to see out how many other voters were "investigated" by Anderson.
I wonder how many others tried to pass off their realtor's address as their own?

Whatever happened to respect for the Rule of Law?

ltl/fb 06-01-2007 07:01 PM

Vote Fraud
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
How utterly interesting that of all the votes in Palm Beach County, they chose to challenge hers.

Curious to see out how many other voters were "investigated" by Anderson.
I bet they investigate all people about whom individual complaints are received. Just. Guessing. Unfortunately, people in the public eye are (a) more likely to have someone bitch and (b) more likely to have it reported on.

Shape Shifter 06-01-2007 07:09 PM

Vote Fraud
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I bet they investigate all people about whom individual complaints are received. Just. Guessing. Unfortunately, people in the public eye are (a) more likely to have someone bitch and (b) more likely to have it reported on.
Karl Rove on April 7, 2006:
  • I want to thank you for your work on clean elections. I know a lot of you spent time in the 2004 election, the 2002, election, the 2000 election in your communities or in strange counties in Florida, helping make it certain that we had the fair and legitimate outcome of the election. We have, as you know, an enormous and growing problem with elections in certain parts of America today. We are, in some parts of the country, I'm afraid to say, beginning to look like we have elections like those run in countries where they guys in charge are, you know, colonels in mirrored sunglasses. I mean, it's a real problem, and I appreciate that all that you're doing in those hot spots around the country to ensure that the ballot -- the integrity of the ballot is protected, because it's important to our democracy….

    The Democrats seem to want to make this year an election about integrity, and we know that their party rests on the base of election fraud.


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