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Nut Penske 11-09-2005 02:48 PM

Penske in Mourning
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its funny. Lighten up there, Francis.
Do you laugh at funerals?

Hank Chinaski 11-09-2005 02:53 PM

Culture Comes to Washington
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its funny. Lighten up there, Francis.
John Kerry thought we should seek France's approval for defending ourselves. Anyone see a fault in that thinking based upon the past few weeks? Hint see oil bribe scandals and Islamic riots. Kerry did speak eloquently in making the point.

Gattigap 11-09-2005 02:55 PM

Culture Comes to Washington
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
John Kerry thought we should seek France's approval for defending ourselves. Anyone see a fault in that thinking based upon the past few weeks? Hint see oil bribe scandals and Islamic riots. Kerry did speak eloquently in making the point.
This is nice, but doesn't make the same emotional connection. Can you try this in verse?

sebastian_dangerfield 11-09-2005 02:58 PM

Penske in Mourning
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nut Penske
Do you laugh at funerals?
When I'm not feverishly masturbating in the men's room.

andViolins 11-09-2005 03:02 PM

Culture Comes to Washington
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
This is nice, but doesn't make the same emotional connection. Can you try this in verse?
Hank has got some mad skillz, but I think even he may have trouble rhyming "cheese-eating surrender monkeys."

aV

Secret_Agent_Man 11-09-2005 03:24 PM

Culture Comes to Washington
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Spread the cream pie further!
Do not misunderestimate us, Penske.

We are the pit bulls on the pantleg of opportunity!

S_A_M

Penske_Account 11-09-2005 03:24 PM

Penske in Mourning
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
When I'm not feverishly masturbating in the men's room.
Ha. Just like Clinton at Ron Brown's funeral.

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-09-2005 03:43 PM

Culture Comes to Washington
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
John Kerry thought we should seek France's approval for defending ourselves. Anyone see a fault in that thinking based upon the past few weeks? Hint see oil bribe scandals and Islamic riots. Kerry did speak eloquently in making the point.
As he spoke so eloquently, it should be no problem at all for you to find a cite to this.

soup sandwich 11-09-2005 04:32 PM

Evolution and Intelligent Design revisited
 
I thought this article did a much more eloquent job summarizing the evolution v. ID debate than some of us had a few weeks ago. If you recall the discussion SHP and others had with Hank, I think you'll see some of the same themes below.

From the most recent Time magazine:

Quote:

What Was God Thinking? Science Can't Tell
By ERIC CORNELL
Posted Sunday, Nov. 06, 2005

Scientists, this is a call to action. But also one to inaction. Why am I the messenger? Because my years of scientific research have made me a renowned expert on my topic: God. Just kidding. You'll soon see what I mean. Let me pose you a question, not about God but about the heavens: "Why is the sky blue?" I offer two answers: 1) The sky is blue because of the wavelength dependence of Rayleigh scattering; 2) The sky is blue because blue is the color God wants it to be.

My scientific research has been in areas connected to optical phenomena, and I can tell you a lot about the Rayleigh-scattering answer. Neither I nor any other scientist, however, has anything scientific to say about answer No. 2, the God answer. Not to say that the God answer is unscientific, just that the methods of science don't speak to that answer.

Before we understood Rayleigh scattering, there was no scientifically satisfactory explanation for the sky's blueness. The idea that the sky is blue because God wants it to be blue existed before scientists came to understand Rayleigh scattering, and it continues to exist today, not in the least undermined by our advance in scientific understanding. The religious explanation has been supplemented--but not supplanted--by advances in scientific knowledge. We now may, if we care to, think of Rayleigh scattering as the method God has chosen to implement his color scheme.

Right now there is a federal trial under way in Dover, Pa., over a school policy requiring teachers to tell students about "intelligent design" before teaching evolution. The central idea of intelligent design is that nature is the way it is because God wants it to be that way. This is not an assertion that can be tested in a scientific way, but studied in the right context, it is an interesting notion. As a theological idea, intelligent design is exciting. Listen: If nature is the way it is because God wants it to be that way, then, by looking at nature, one can learn what it is that God wants! The microscope and the telescope are no longer merely scientific instruments; they are windows into the mind of God.

But as exciting as intelligent design is in theology, it is a boring idea in science. Science isn't about knowing the mind of God; it's about understanding nature and the reasons for things. The thrill is that our ignorance exceeds our knowledge; the exciting part is what we don't understand yet. If you want to recruit the future generation of scientists, you don't draw a box around all our scientific understanding to date and say, "Everything outside this box we can explain only by invoking God's will." Back in 1855, no one told the future Lord Rayleigh that the scientific reason for the sky's blueness is that God wants it that way. Or if someone did tell him that, we can all be happy that the youth was plucky enough to ignore them. For science, intelligent design is a dead-end idea.

My call to action for scientists is, Work to ensure that the intelligent-design hypothesis is taught where it can contribute to the vitality of a field (as it could perhaps in theology class) and not taught in science class, where it would suck the excitement out of one of humankind's great ongoing adventures.

Now for my call to inaction: most scientists will concede that as powerful as science is, it can teach us nothing about values, ethics, morals or, for that matter, God. Don't go about pretending otherwise! For example, science can try to predict how human activity may change the climate, but science can't tell us whether those changes would be good or bad.

Should scientists, as humans, make judgments on ethics, morals, values and religion? Absolutely. Should we act on these judgments, in an effort to do good? You bet. Should we make use of the goodwill we may have accumulated through our scientific achievements to help us do good? Why not? Just don't claim that your science tells you "what is good" ... or "what is God."

Act: fight to keep intelligent design out of science classrooms! Don't act: don't say science disproves intelligent design. Stick with the plainest truth: science says nothing about intelligent design, and intelligent design brings nothing to science, and should be taught in theology, not science classes.

My value judgment is that further progress in science will be good for humanity. My argument here is offered in the spirit of trying to preserve science from its foes--but also from its friends.

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-09-2005 05:51 PM

Evolution and Intelligent Design revisited
 
Quote:

Originally posted by soup sandwich
I thought this article did a much more eloquent job summarizing the evolution v. ID debate than some of us had a few weeks ago. If you recall the discussion SHP and others had with Hank, I think you'll see some of the same themes below.

From the most recent Time magazine:
I object to the explicit assumption in the article that the Supreme Being is God. My Pastafarian beliefs are being oppressed in favor of the notion that this God, who is somehow 3 parts in one whole, but each whole is somehow complete, whatever that means, sent one of his parts down to earth to take the form of a human being born in - get this - a "virgin birth", who later was miraculously resurrected in complete health after dying an agonizing death on a slab of wood, and then conveniently was whisked off this mortal coil before the truth of all this could be established. Somehow a lot of people buy into this story. And they dare to laugh at the idea of a Flying Spaghetti Monster?

I and others have been touched by His Noodley Appendage. Ramen.

Hank Chinaski 11-10-2005 04:26 PM

frere Jaques, frere Jaques, dormez-vous?
 
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/sto...639538,00.html

  • Riot coverage 'excessive', says French TV boss

    One of France's leading TV news executives has admitted censoring his coverage of the riots in the country for fear of encouraging support for far-right politicians.
    Jean-Claude Dassier, the director general of the rolling news service TCI, said the prominence given to the rioters on international news networks had been "excessive" and could even be fanning the flames of the violence.

    Mr Dassier said his own channel, which is owned by the private broadcaster TF1, recently decided not to show footage of burning cars.

    "Politics in France is heading to the right and I don't want rightwing politicians back in second, or even first place because we showed burning cars on television," Mr Dassier told an audience of broadcasters at the News Xchange conference in Amsterdam today.

    "Having satellites trained on towns across France 24 hours a day showing the violence would have been wrong and totally disproportionate ... Journalism is not simply a matter of switching on the cameras and letting them roll. You have to think about what you're broadcasting," he said.

Say what you will about france, but it would be refreshing if our mainstream media was as honest about the liberal bias in its broadcast decisions.

Gattigap 11-10-2005 04:34 PM

frere Jaques, frere Jaques, dormez-vous?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski


Say what you will about france, but it would be refreshing if our mainstream media was as honest about the liberal bias in its broadcast decisions.
Having read your postings on France for some time now, I can appreciate the difficulty that you must've had in providing even a backhanded compliment to the French, even accounting for the benefit of a slam on American media. Salut!

Spanky 11-10-2005 06:11 PM

frere Jaques, frere Jaques, dormez-vous?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/sto...639538,00.html

  • Riot coverage 'excessive', says French TV boss

    One of France's leading TV news executives has admitted censoring his coverage of the riots in the country for fear of encouraging support for far-right politicians.
    Jean-Claude Dassier, the director general of the rolling news service TCI, said the prominence given to the rioters on international news networks had been "excessive" and could even be fanning the flames of the violence.

    Mr Dassier said his own channel, which is owned by the private broadcaster TF1, recently decided not to show footage of burning cars.

    "Politics in France is heading to the right and I don't want rightwing politicians back in second, or even first place because we showed burning cars on television," Mr Dassier told an audience of broadcasters at the News Xchange conference in Amsterdam today.

    "Having satellites trained on towns across France 24 hours a day showing the violence would have been wrong and totally disproportionate ... Journalism is not simply a matter of switching on the cameras and letting them roll. You have to think about what you're broadcasting," he said.

Say what you will about france, but it would be refreshing if our mainstream media was as honest about the liberal bias in its broadcast decisions.
The problem with the "far right" in France is they are just bigots. They are against free trade so they are a complete nightmare. They are social conservative, racist, socialists. Le Pen represents everything I detest.

Southern Patriot 11-10-2005 06:15 PM

frere Jaques, frere Jaques, dormez-vous?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
The problem with the "far right" in France is they are just bigots. They are against free trade so they are a complete nightmare. They are social conservative, racist, socialists. Le Pen represents everything I detest.
Well, Hank, Penske and I have great admiration for these few brave souls. If only the rest of the French thought like them.

Spanky 11-10-2005 06:15 PM

Smart Democrats?
 
These guys are really on the ball. It is lucky for us that the majority of Democrats don't listen to them (and listen to Cindy and Howard Dean instead).


=============================================
THE NEW DEM DISPATCH, November 10, 2005
Political commentary & analysis from the DLC =============================================
[http://www.DLC.org ]

Idea of the Week: Taking Suburbs Seriously

One of the most important ingredients of Tim Kaine's victory in
Tuesday's Virginia gubernatorial election was his remarkable success
in the high-growth suburbs of Washington, DC. In county after
county, Kaine improved on Mark Warner's winning performance in 2001,
and even carried important exurban counties like Loudoun and Prince
William that haven't gone Democratic in a long time.

Political analysts have rightly pointed out that a lot of factors
contributed to this Democratic suburban triumph: a backlash against
Republican Jerry Kilgore's negative attacks on Kaine's character and
his last-minute immigrant-baiting demagoguery; the ethnic
diversification of Northern Virginia; and the unusual attention paid
by Northern Virginians to the Republican march of folly in
Washington. But aside from these factors, it's important to note
that Tim Kaine had a positive economic message to suburbanites,
especially late in the campaign, that stressed his willingness to
give them greater powers to shape uncontrolled development and all
the quality-of-life problems that go with it.

That Northern Virginians responded to this message is hardly
surprising, given the incredible traffic congestion, the volatile
housing prices, the overwhelmed public facilities, and the
environmental problems that characterize so much of daily life in
the region.

But there's an important lesson here for Democrats in other parts of
the country as well.

Remember the widespread debate in the late 1990s
about "sprawl," "smart growth," and "quality-of-life?" Well, that
debate's still going on at the grassroots in high-growth areas
throughout the sunbelt and elsewhere, and just as in the 1990s, it
offers an important opportunity for Democrats, who, unlike
Republicans, aren't ideologically opposed to public-sector activism
at the state and local levels, and don't normally think of
developers as a partisan constituency group.

This emphatically doesn't mean embracing an anti-growth message of
mandatory development controls, much less lecturing suburbanites
that they need to move back into cities, give up their cars, and
give up the entire lifestyle that made the suburbs appealing in the
first place. On the contrary: it means taking seriously the
distinctive challenges of suburban life, from overcrowded schools
and vanishing "green spaces" to two-hour commutes and rising
property taxes.

Nor, just as importantly, does "taking suburbs seriously" mean
abandoning traditional Democratic constituencies in pursuit of
upscale voters. For one thing, the middle-class wage-earning
families that Democrats rightly fret about are increasingly found in
fast-growing suburbs rather than in the cities -- young families,
and increasingly minority families, who move to the exurbs because
that's where the new jobs are and that's where they can afford to
buy a home and send their kids to decent public schools.

Moreover Democrats should be able to walk and chew gum at the same
time, dealing with the economic challenges of "low-growth" areas
like trade dislocation, offshoring, and the erosion of collective
bargaining power, along with the equally valid challenges of high- growth areas. Certainly Virginia Democrats have figured that out,
with an economic message that is rebuilding the party's strength in
struggling urban and rural communities as well as in thriving
suburbs.

As many worried Democrats noted after the 2004 presidential
election, George W. Bush won 97 of the 100 fastest-growing counties
in America. Writing these communities off, or worse yet, treating
their economic challenges as less legitimate than those affecting
other Americans, would not bode well for the party's future
prospects.

There's a better approach that could help make Democrats a truly
competitive national party, while rebuilding its strength in the
heart of the American middle class. Taking suburbs seriously is the
right thing to do and the smart thing to do. Just ask Governor- elect Tim Kaine.


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