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Secret_Agent_Man 05-02-2006 07:55 PM

LA March
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I can't decide if this is this smug or callous.
This IS the Politics Board.

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the marchers braved much worse hardships to get to the United States, and now some fat cats in DC are treating them as political issues- not people. Do you think another subway ride is a burden to them?

How can some Senator who has never known a day of hunger have any voice in these people's futures? Do you not question how your country could have reached this point? Rather than headcount from your perch in the sky, did you consider walking amongst them and trying to learn something?
Juan!!! Mi amigo!!

S_A_M

sgtclub 05-02-2006 08:27 PM

Williams Act
 
Totally off topic, but if anyone has Williams Act expertise, please PM me. Thanks. Carry on.

Spanky 05-02-2006 10:44 PM

Buying a new Laptop
 
Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
$2500 is plenty to get what you need. The new dual core processors are the latest generation, and they are faster. Supposedly, once code is writen to take advantage of some of their unique charateristics, they'll be even faster (the Dual Core is exactly that - it's essentially two chips on one chip, and they run in parallel).

Given your budget, I'd go with 2GB internal memory.

Try something like this:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...=E1505S3&s=dhs
and upgrade it pretty much whereever you're given the choice. I upgrade to 2GB memory, a 256MB graphics card, a 120GB hard drive, XP Pro, the highest quality screen, four years of at home support and MS Office Basic and came up with a total of just under $2500 with free shipping.
Unfortunately, I can't link to the final configuration.

That would be a pretty much top of the line machine that should last for years.
I decided not to screw around anymore and I pull the trigger. I followed your adviced and upgraded everything. It turned out to be 3600 instead of 2500. But here is the imprtant stuff:
Qty Part # Description
--- -------- ---------------------------------------------
1 222-1328 Inspiron E1505, Intel Core Duoprocessor T2500 (2MB/2GHz/667MHz)
1 320-4652 15.4 Inch UltraSharp TrueLife Wide-screen WSXGA+, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 311-5778 2GB, DDR2, 533MHz 2 Dimm for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 320-4655 256MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON X1400 HyperMemory, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 341-3316 120GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 420-4770 Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2, English, for Inspiron
1 430-0493 Integrated 10/100 Network Cardand Modem, for Inspiron
1 465-0930 8X DVD+/-RW Drive for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 430-1627 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 802.11a/g Mini Card (54Mbps), for for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 465-1661 Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Module (2.0+EDR) for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 312-0403 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 412-0488 Microsoft Office 2003 Small Business and EducateU(includesPowerpoint,and Business Contact Manager)
1 312-0405 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Additional Battery, for Inspiron 6400/E1505



Thanks for the help.

i was penske 05-02-2006 10:50 PM

Buying a new Laptop
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
I decided not to screw around anymore and I pull the trigger. I followed your adviced and upgraded everything. It turned out to be 3600 instead of 2500. But here is the imprtant stuff:
Qty Part # Description
--- -------- ---------------------------------------------
1 222-1328 Inspiron E1505, Intel Core Duoprocessor T2500 (2MB/2GHz/667MHz)
1 320-4652 15.4 Inch UltraSharp TrueLife Wide-screen WSXGA+, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 311-5778 2GB, DDR2, 533MHz 2 Dimm for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 320-4655 256MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON X1400 HyperMemory, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 341-3316 120GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 420-4770 Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2, English, for Inspiron
1 430-0493 Integrated 10/100 Network Cardand Modem, for Inspiron
1 465-0930 8X DVD+/-RW Drive for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 430-1627 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 802.11a/g Mini Card (54Mbps), for for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 465-1661 Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Module (2.0+EDR) for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 312-0403 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 412-0488 Microsoft Office 2003 Small Business and EducateU(includesPowerpoint,and Business Contact Manager)
1 312-0405 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Additional Battery, for Inspiron 6400/E1505



Thanks for the help.
I thought you retired?

Hank Chinaski 05-02-2006 11:06 PM

Buying a new Laptop
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
I decided not to screw around anymore and I pull the trigger. I followed your adviced and upgraded everything. It turned out to be 3600 instead of 2500. But here is the imprtant stuff:
Qty Part # Description
--- -------- ---------------------------------------------
1 222-1328 Inspiron E1505, Intel Core Duoprocessor T2500 (2MB/2GHz/667MHz)
1 320-4652 15.4 Inch UltraSharp TrueLife Wide-screen WSXGA+, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 311-5778 2GB, DDR2, 533MHz 2 Dimm for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 320-4655 256MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON X1400 HyperMemory, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 341-3316 120GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 420-4770 Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2, English, for Inspiron
1 430-0493 Integrated 10/100 Network Cardand Modem, for Inspiron
1 465-0930 8X DVD+/-RW Drive for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 430-1627 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 802.11a/g Mini Card (54Mbps), for for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 465-1661 Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Module (2.0+EDR) for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 312-0403 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery, for Inspiron 6400/E1505
1 412-0488 Microsoft Office 2003 Small Business and EducateU(includesPowerpoint,and Business Contact Manager)
1 312-0405 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Additional Battery, for Inspiron 6400/E1505



Thanks for the help.
Case settle?

ltl/fb 05-03-2006 01:42 AM

Buying a new Laptop
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Case settle?
It's confusing him saying he got authorization because I thought he worked for himself, but maybe there's a real Sybil thing going on here. I'm scared to ask.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-03-2006 12:50 PM

Buying a new Laptop
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It's confusing him saying he got authorization because I thought he worked for himself, but maybe there's a real Sybil thing going on here. I'm scared to ask.
Marriage. Once the ring is on the finger, you never work for just yourself again.

Given the run-up over budget, he owes the Serb a pound of flesh.

Spanky 05-03-2006 02:27 PM

Should be an interesting fight
 
George Will

This Marine just won't back down

http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | As usual, Jim Webb is spoiling for a fight. As usual, he has found one. He is seeking the Democrats' senatorial nomination in Virginia against the incumbent, George Allen, a Presidential aspirant.


Webb, a varsity boxer at Annapolis, was wounded twice as a Marine officer in Vietnam where he earned the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Hearts. His six novels include the best written about Vietnam, "Fields of Fire."


In 1988 he resigned — more feistiness — as President Reagan's secretary of the Navy to protest a reduction of the Navy's force structure. He is a product of the turbulent Scots-Irish diaspora that has given America Kit Carson, two scrappy Jacksons — Andrew and Stonewall — Robert E. Lee and Reagan. The title of Webb's history of America's Scots-Irish? "Born Fighting."


Now he has picked a fight with a fighter. Allen, a former governor running statewide for the third time, is a terrific political talent. Even if Webb wins the Democratic primary June 13 (his opponent, Harris Miller, is a former lobbyist and longtime Democratic activist), Allen will be heavily favored. But Virginia will have a contest of heavyweights, and Allen will be a better Presidential candidate for having gone 12 rounds with Webb.


Webb, who says he was "pretty much" a Democrat until President Carter "pardoned the draft evaders," endorsed Allen over Democratic Sen. Chuck Robb in 2000, after supporting Robb — another Marine veteran of Vietnam — in 1994. In 1992, Webb supported the Presidential campaign of another Vietnam veteran, Nebraska Democrat Sen. Bob Kerrey, who now is national finance chairman of Webb's campaign. Webb says, "I wouldn't shake John Kerry's hand for 20 years" because of Kerry's anti-Vietnam activities but "I voted for him" in 2004.


"It was Iraq," Webb says, "that convinced me the Republican Party has gone crazy." He says: "I warned them early, they went in precipitously. We need to get out carefully, we do not need to be an occupying force." Carefully, but within two years.


Almost seven months before the invasion of Iraq he warned (Washington Post, Sept. 4, 2002) that before moving from "containment to unilateral war and a long-term occupation of Iraq" we should remember that the Soviet Union was defeated by patient, intense containment. As for the flippant calls, before the 1991 Gulf War, for taking Baghdad and installing "a MacArthurian regency:"
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"Our occupation forces never set foot inside Japan until the emperor had formally surrendered and prepared Japanese citizens for our arrival.


Nor did MacArthur destroy the Japanese government when he took over as proconsul. . . . Nor is Japanese culture in any way similar to Iraq's. The Japanese are a homogeneous people. . . . The Iraqis are a multiethnic people filled with competing factions who in many cases would view a U.S. occupation as infidels invading the cradle of Islam."


Long convinced that invading Iraq would "empower Iran, the long-term threat," Webb thinks the administration's neoconservative nation-builders "are so far to the left they seem to be on the right."


His challenge will be to harvest financial support, much of it from outside of Virginia, from antiwar liberals, without forfeiting his appeal to Virginia's moderate Democrats and many military families. He is being endorsed by some of the retired generals now denouncing Don Rumsfeld.


And he will attract attention if he continues to charge that the Bush administration is "deliberately miscounting the casualties in Iraq," minimizing them by "counting only those evacuated out of theater."


Webb says, "I'm pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-Second Amendment."


Two out of three might not suffice, given that Democratic primary voters — disproportionately, liberal activists — often have little tolerance for heterodoxy. And he says, "I'm not saying what antiwar people want to hear — 'Get out last Tuesday.'"


Although Webb has concentrated his fire on Allen, Miller attacked Webb until Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and hates primaries, told him to desist. Over the years Webb has made impolitic pronouncements opposing women in combat and warning that some affirmative action had become "state-sponsored racism."


Today, Webb endorses affirmative action but not for mere "diversity" reasons. He says that as secretary of the Navy he tripled the number of women in "operational billets" and that he has been endorsed by the only woman to make it through the Special Operations course.


He campaigns in combat boots given to him by his son, who was a year from graduating from Penn State but now is a Marine lance corporal. He is due in Iraq in September.

Replaced_Texan 05-03-2006 02:28 PM

Hmm.
 
Texas Democratic State Representative Trey Martinez-Fisher held a conference call yesterday with bloggers to explain his gas tax cut proposal. As reported by Charles Kuffner:
Quote:

Like several other bloggers, I had the opportunity to speak to Rep. Trey Martinez-Fischer about his HB120, which is a proposal to suspend collection of the state gas tax for 90 days. There's a website up that explains the particulars and also offers a petition to sign if you support the idea - Governor Perry would have to add this to the call of the special session for it to be considered. Take a look and see what you think.

I'll be honest, when I first heard about this idea, I thought it was a gimmick, not unlike the US Senate's much-derided $100 bribe rebate that went over like a lead balloon. I've since changed my mind, and this is what convinced me.
  • We are fortunate because we can afford to give taxpayers a Gas Tax Holiday during the summer months. The estimated cost of HB 120 is 700 million dollars. That's less than 10% of our state's budget surplus. The last time I checked the surplus belonged to Texas taxpayers so it makes perfect sense to give it back in times of need.

    Moreover, Texas will receive, over the next several years, an average of 788.1 million federal dollars pursuant to Equity Bonus Program, which Congress authorized under the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Act (the Federal Highway Bill). I am told by a member of the Appropriations Committee that this money is un-appropriated and can be used to offset the lost tax revenue during the Gas Tax Holiday.

If there's a pot of unappropriated money that can pay for this, so that the existing budget is left intact and we're not essentially borrowing against future obligations to pay for an immediate need, then I can support it. (If it turns out TxDOT already has a purpose in mind for this pile, then we can reconsider as needed.) It's strictly a bit of short-term relief, but I think it will have a salutary effect, especially for people who drive their own vehicles as part of their jobs, like Rep. Martinez-Fischer's neighbor Willie the plumber. I've also heard anecdotal evidence that some charities, like Meals on Wheels, have been hard hit by the high gas prices. If this helps them keep getting the volunteers - and their cars - they need to do their good works, then so much the better.
Alaska gets its bridge to nowhere out of last year's transportation bill. Texans get cheaper gas. I like this proposal.

Replaced_Texan 05-03-2006 05:38 PM

Wow.

Moussaoui not a martyr

Not Bob 05-03-2006 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Wow.

Moussaoui not a martyr
Smart jury.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 05-03-2006 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
Smart jury.
Perhaps. At least he no longer has a platform for his views. He goes to a cold cell in Denver, where we aren't likely to hear from him again.

baltassoc 05-03-2006 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Perhaps. At least he no longer has a platform for his views. He goes to a cold cell in Denver, where we aren't likely to hear from him again.
Exactly.

Hank Chinaski 05-03-2006 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Perhaps. At least he no longer has a platform for his views. He goes to a cold cell in Denver, where we aren't likely to hear from him again.
dissent. It's good for people to hear from him. His side is already focused and angry- he ain't going to make them more so. it's our side that needs to remember.

edit: jury verdict form-

http://coop.vaed.uscourts.gov/mou1852.pdf

interesting point, preventing him from becoming a martyr was a factor to NO jurors in the sentence. Rough childhood and abusive daddy were factors to 9 jurors.

I wonder what this lady's childhood was like.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...1/falling2.jpg

stolen from lgf

sgtclub 05-04-2006 05:57 PM

Driving Lessons from Teddy?
 
Here's a softball for the artist formally known as penske:
  • 9 News has learned U.S. Capitol police officers are concerned about the handling of an accident involving Congressman Patrick Kennedy (D-Rhode Island) about 3 a.m. this morning.

    Rep. Kennedy was reportedly behind the wheel of a green Ford Mustang when it crashed into a security barrier at 1st and "C" streets Southeast.

    There are no reports of injuries. Sources say Kennedy told officers he was late for a vote. We are told police drove him home, after conferring with higher ups in the department. So far, Kennedy HAS NOT been charged. A spokesman for his office told CNN that alcohol was NOT involved.

    The head of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 1, Lou Cannon, told 9 News that he’s concerned that Kennedy may have received special treatment and this could be a case where “rank has its privilege.”

    9 News reporter Stacey Cohan spoke to Kennedy's press secretary at his congressional office in Rhode Island, who said she is looking into the situation, but does not have any information right now.

    Congressman Patrick Kennedy is Ted Kennedy's son. He is currently serving his sixth term as the Democratic Congressman from Rhode Island. He sits on the powerful House Appropriations Committee.

SlaveNoMore 05-04-2006 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
interesting point, preventing him from becoming a martyr was a factor to NO jurors in the sentence. Rough childhood and abusive daddy were factors to 9 jurors.

I wonder what this lady's childhood was like.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...1/falling2.jpg

stolen from lgf
POTM

One thing not to want to martyr him - but mitigating sentencing because he had a rough childhood????

What is it going to take for morons like this to ever get it??

Not(He's right - We lost)yS

Gattigap 05-04-2006 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore


Not(He's right - We lost)yS
So is your issue with the result, or with the jury's reasoning for getting there, or both? How important to you is it that Moussaoui would get the death penalty?

Hank Chinaski 05-04-2006 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
So is your issue with the result, or with the jury's reasoning for getting there, or both? How important to you is it that Moussaoui would get the death penalty?
Did you know Hitler's father was cold towards the children and somewhat abusive to his mother?

SlaveNoMore 05-04-2006 07:26 PM

Quote:

Gattigap
So is your issue with the result, or with the jury's reasoning for getting there, or both? How important to you is it that Moussaoui would get the death penalty?
1) If his case doesn't merit a death sentence, whose would?? You may as well remove the penalty from the books. It's meaningless.

2) And FWIW, yes, I'm more concerned about how they got there. Aren't you?

futbol fan 05-04-2006 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What is it going to take for morons like this to ever get it??
You're talking about the jurors? Because I've been informed that calling ordinary folks like those who serve on juries, or vote in presidential elections and suchlike "morons" just because they arrive a different conclusion than the one you might prefer is the mark of a condescending liberal elitist. You want to watch out for that - very bad. Even worse if you happen to live in New York or San Francisco. Just ask Bilbo.

And since we're talking about childhoods now and posting graphic images, do I get to post pictures of Iraqi kids all torn to shit by Operation Ooops There Really Wasn't Anything In Those Winnebagos and Operation Hussein And Osama Were Tight Like That, No Really? Because there are a few out there that might make you wonder exactly what kind of death you might prefer, for yourself and for your family, or at least how it is that some kinds of dead people are so much more valuable than others when the rhetorical knives come out.

I could give a shit whether Moussawi dies or rots the rest of his useless life in prison. If anyone thinks either option is going to make a ball hair's worth of difference to The Global War On/Of/For Terrorism or whatever it's called this week you give that asshole more credit than he's worth.


Gattigap 05-04-2006 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
1) If his case doesn't merit a death sentence, whose would?? You may as well remove the penalty from the books. It's meaningless.

2) And FWIW, yes, I'm more concerned about how they got there. Aren't you?
I would've been fine with the jury giving Moussaoui the DP, but I didn't see that particular goal (instead of life in prison) as the burning issue that the Justice Department did.

I understand that there are many others with more direct links to 9/11 than this asshole, and they appear to be held overseas. Some speculate that the US Govt can't or won't bring them here for trial because they might've been tortured or some such shit, and evidentiary problems result.

And yes, I'm concerned about how the jury reaches its decision, too, but I couldn't distinguish one from the other in your post, so I asked.

ltl/fb 05-04-2006 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
I would've been fine with the jury giving Moussaoui the DP, but I didn't see that particular goal (instead of life in prison) as the burning issue that the Justice Department did.

I understand that there are many others with more direct links to 9/11 than this asshole, and they appear to be held overseas. Some speculate that the US Govt can't or won't bring them here for trial because they might've been tortured or some such shit, and evidentiary problems result.

And yes, I'm concerned about how the jury reaches its decision, too, but I couldn't distinguish one from the other in your post, so I asked.
I thought it was interesting that 3 of them wrote in that they didn't feel he was all that connected to the attacks. And, I think if somehow some of the guys who flew the planes had survived, and Moussaoui had been on trial at the same time as they were, they would have gotten the death penalty but Moussaoui would not have, because he doesn't seem to have been nearly as involved. I don't see why the result should be different just because the others weren't on trial.

SlaveNoMore 05-04-2006 07:52 PM

Mayday, May Day
 
Quote:

ironweed
And since we're talking about childhoods now and posting graphic images, do I get to post pictures of Iraqi kids all torn to shit by Operation Ooops There Really Wasn't Anything In Those Winnebagos and Operation Hussein And Osama Were Tight Like That, No Really?
Are we back to Iraq? I thought this week was dedicated to the Mexicans?

Not("Are you a Mexican, or a Mexi-can't")yS

ltl/fb 05-04-2006 07:56 PM

Mayday, May Day
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Are we back to Iraq? I thought this week was dedicated to the Mexicans?

Not("Are you a Mexican, or a Mexi-can't")yS
Moussaoui is Mexican? Go figure. Or maybe the woman who jumped was Mexican? Please clarify.

sgtclub 05-04-2006 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
1) If his case doesn't merit a death sentence, whose would?? You may as well remove the penalty from the books. It's meaningless.

2) And FWIW, yes, I'm more concerned about how they got there. Aren't you?
I'm not sure what all the commotion is about on this. Frankly, if I had the choice between life in prison and death I would chose the latter.

Hank Chinaski 05-04-2006 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ironweed
You're talking about the jurors? Because I've been informed that calling ordinary folks like those who serve on juries, or vote in presidential elections and suchlike "morons" just because they arrive a different conclusion than the one you might prefer is the mark of a condescending liberal elitist. You want to watch out for that - very bad. Even worse if you happen to live in New York or San Francisco. Just ask Bilbo.

And since we're talking about childhoods now and posting graphic images, do I get to post pictures of Iraqi kids all torn to shit by Operation Ooops There Really Wasn't Anything In Those Winnebagos and Operation Hussein And Osama Were Tight Like That, No Really? Because there are a few out there that might make you wonder exactly what kind of death you might prefer, for yourself and for your family, or at least how it is that some kinds of dead people are so much more valuable than others when the rhetorical knives come out.

I could give a shit whether Moussawi dies or rots the rest of his useless life in prison. If anyone thinks either option is going to make a ball hair's worth of difference to The Global War On/Of/For Terrorism or whatever it's called this week you give that asshole more credit than he's worth.
what's most confused is your strained ability to distinguish the 2 situations- expected, but confused.

what's most confusing is that (and i was watching) it took you a half an hour to compose this nonsense- you know your breezy NYC hipster "I'm all in control" attitude? That's a front, huh?

The bus you took to middle school- how many rows of seats- 10 or so?

Not Bob 05-05-2006 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
1) If his case doesn't merit a death sentence, whose would?? You may as well remove the penalty from the books. It's meaningless.

2) And FWIW, yes, I'm more concerned about how they got there. Aren't you?
(1) That's interesting. I'm pretty much anti-death penalty (usual rant about Cafeteria Catholics like Jeb Bush and Antonin Scalia deleted), so take this with a grain of salt, but I would say that this is not a case where the death penalty is warranted. It just seems that he was too far removed from the conspiracy, despite his wishful thinking.

(2) Yes and no. Interesting article in Slate on that very point -- which boxes the jury checked, and possible explanations of why they did. And I am occasionally troubled by how juries reach their decisions, but I think that the rare odd/stupid verdict is the price we pay for having a jury of our peers make these sorts of decisions.

ltl/fb 05-05-2006 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
(1) That's interesting. I'm pretty much anti-death penalty (usual rant about Cafeteria Catholics like Jeb Bush and Antonin Scalia deleted), so take this with a grain of salt, but I would say that this is not a case where the death penalty is warranted. It just seems that he was too far removed from the conspiracy, despite his wishful thinking.

(2) Yes and no. Interesting article in Slate on that very point -- which boxes the jury checked, and possible explanations of why they did. And I am occasionally troubled by how juries reach their decisions, but I think that the rare odd/stupid verdict is the price we pay for having a jury of our peers make these sorts of decisions.
The Slate article gives the impression that there was a box given to the jurors for "limited involvement" but the NYT article said that 3 jurors wrote it in. Anyone know what the story is on this?

ETA because I could see some jurors not wanting to check the made-up, unofficial box.

Hank Chinaski 05-05-2006 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The Slate article gives the impression that there was a box given to the jurors for "limited involvement" but the NYT article said that 3 jurors wrote it in. Anyone know what the story is on this?

ETA because I could see some jurors not wanting to check the made-up, unofficial box.
am i on ignore again? I posted the actual form. they did write that in- and mentioned that 3 found for it.

Not Bob 05-05-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The Slate article gives the impression that there was a box given to the jurors for "limited involvement" but the NYT article said that 3 jurors wrote it in. Anyone know what the story is on this?

ETA because I could see some jurors not wanting to check the made-up, unofficial box.
Via our former landlords, here's the actual form. http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/m.../jv2phase.html

As you can see, there's a printed one that says his role in the operation was minor, and a handwritten one that says his knowledge of the attack plans was limited.

So, they're sorta different factors -- I'd guess probably the same people voted for both of these, but who knows.

ETA: Sorry if the link was already posted, hank -- I don't have you on ignore, but I don't remember actually looking at the form. Maybe I just like fringey better.

Hank Chinaski 05-05-2006 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
dissent. It's good for people to hear from him. His side is already focused and angry- he ain't going to make them more so. it's our side that needs to remember.

edit: jury verdict form-

http://coop.vaed.uscourts.gov/mou1852.pdf

interesting point, preventing him from becoming a martyr was a factor to NO jurors in the sentence. Rough childhood and abusive daddy were factors to 9 jurors.

I wonder what this lady's childhood was like.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...1/falling2.jpg

stolen from lgf
hmmmmm

Not Bob 05-05-2006 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
hmmmmm
Ah. I remember the pic, don't remember the link to the form. Perhaps fringey and I read your post before the edit adding the link.

futbol fan 05-05-2006 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
what's most confused is your strained ability to distinguish the 2 situations- expected, but confused.

what's most confusing is that (and i was watching) it took you a half an hour to compose this nonsense- you know your breezy NYC hipster "I'm all in control" attitude? That's a front, huh?

The bus you took to middle school- how many rows of seats- 10 or so?
I meant that posting that picture was cheap, like your suits.

And it's hippy, not hipster.

taxwonk 05-05-2006 01:12 PM

Hmmmm, Yourself
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
hmmmmm
Perhaps it was the disturbing photograph you posted that urged others to simply scroll past your post as quickly as possible?

ltl/fb 05-05-2006 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
Ah. I remember the pic, don't remember the link to the form. Perhaps fringey and I read your post before the edit adding the link.
Yes, in that 18-hour window between posting and editing, I think. :rolleyes:

Hank Chinaski 05-05-2006 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
Ah. I remember the pic, don't remember the link to the form. Perhaps fringey and I read your post before the edit adding the link.
got me. i was just trying to increase my oil profits.

and Wonk, yes the picture is disturbing. but the answer isn't to put out of our minds it happened- saying Mousarria(sp?) will now go away quietly and we can move on- that's more disturbing.

Not Bob 05-05-2006 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
got me. i was just trying to increase my oil profits.

and Wonk, yes the picture is disturbing. but the answer isn't to put out of our minds it happened- saying Mousarria(sp?) will now go away quietly and we can move on- that's more disturbing.
Hey, I wasn't playing "gotcha" -- I just honestly didn't remember seeing the link when I saw your post.

Apropos of nothing, Slate's dialog this week has Robert Kagan, and in his entry yesterday, he made the most cogent and lucid defense of invading Iraq that I have seen.

Hank Chinaski 05-05-2006 05:11 PM

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Yes, in that 18-hour window between posting and editing, I think. :rolleyes:
one. it was 16 hours, and that was a second minor edit- the edit that added the verdict form was earlier and also added the photo.

sgtclub 05-05-2006 05:22 PM

Dow Hits 6 Year High
 
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/05/D8HDQCV80.html

futbol fan 05-05-2006 07:46 PM

Dow Hits 6 Year High
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/05/D8HDQCV80.html
Sometimes I doubt my decision to invest my retirement fund exclusively in the fine products issued by the Franklin Mint. But only for a moment. This bubble will burst, mark my words.


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