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sebastian_dangerfield
The public is not "to the left." The public is disgusted and wants a quick easy solution. But remove all the troops, watch Iran and Russia drive oil prices through the ceiling and the country will turn "to the right" very quickly. You see a moral issue. The American voter is selfish, economically fixated and impatient. Right now the war looks like an expensive loss. If we had taken over the oil spigots and gas prices dropped, people would not complain. The country isn't Left or Right, unless you believe the news or the internet.

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Tyrone Slothrop

08-31-2007 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Actually, I think Saddam was very good for the Mddle East. He was stable and secular and wasn't treading toward extremism, though there were some hints he was embracing Islam for political purposes. He was buyable. It's too bad we married ourselves to the Saudis so long ago. Looking back, the better move, given Iraq's oil reserves, would have been to let him have Kuwait and prop him into something approaching a real country. He could have been brought under control, and made to obey human rights to a certain degree with enough cash.

We're working with all his old Sunni henchmen now to fight Shiite zealots. WTF? Why are we there again? Who were we deposing? Did we go there to get the oil we already had? Saddam's crude was cheap. The Saudis gouge us.

How does our occupation -- and Iraq's current poor oil production -- keep oil prices down?

ltl/fb

09-01-2007 02:55 AM

I heart the onion.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...oowidget_rss_1

sgtclub

09-01-2007 12:41 PM

Sweet Justice

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Nifong sent to jail.

LessinSF

09-01-2007 01:21 PM

Sweet Justice

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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
The Onion Rocks - http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=5101 (5 year old drives)

300 pound woman rapes 13 year old - http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=5112

Nifong sent to jail.

Spanky

09-01-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Our presence not only "fans the flames," it keeps the rival factions from having to reconcile.

Kind of like our lack of presense in Cambodia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda and Darfur helped the rival factions reconcile.

Spanky

09-01-2007 08:10 PM

Sweet Justice

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Nifong sent to jail.

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Tyrone Slothrop

09-01-2007 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Kind of like our lack of presense in Cambodia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda and Darfur helped the rival factions reconcile.

Save Bosnia, and setting aside the bombing of Cambodia since it didn't involve boots on the ground, we had a military presence in none of those countries. If you think Bosnia is an instructive example for the occupation of Iraq, please explain.

Diane_Keaton

09-02-2007 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Save Bosnia...we had a military presence in none of those countries.

I think that's his point.

Oh and not to get drawn into this tired old discussion about Iraq being "stable" before we went in, I think that's bullshit and hereby incorporate by reference all my previous posts on the topic and anything Slave or Hank might care to say on the topic. Or anyone who survived going feet first through a wood chipper or surviving members of the decade old sanctions that kept folks starving and dead but "stable."

Atticus Grinch

09-02-2007 04:19 PM

So the Dems have money scandals and the GOP has sex scandals. 9/11 really DID change everything.

sgtclub

09-02-2007 05:25 PM

Wow!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

NK to dismantle nuclear program. Not sure I buy it.

Atticus Grinch

09-02-2007 08:15 PM

Wow!

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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

NK to dismantle nuclear program. Not sure I buy it.

Unwise to post "nuclear" and "buy" on the Internet.

Secret_Agent_Man

09-02-2007 08:42 PM

Wow!

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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

NK to dismantle nuclear program. Not sure I buy it.

If this happens, I think it is a great result given the box we're in with them.

That said, I think it shows NK was largely successful with its policy. We could not longer afford NOT to buy them off.

S_A_M

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