things proven today
 

Actually, I run into cases of companies not caring about compliance relatively frequently. Just like the IRS, the EPA hasn't sufficient resources to monitor compliance adequately, and they play the audit lottery.

Liberals want to ban your Bible.
 

Is that why so many pro-lifers are also in favor of the death penalty?

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

There wasn't a successful terrorist mission in the US for over two hundred years before we invaded Iraq, except for one that all evidence seems to indicate was largely put together in Afghanistan, Germany, and Florida.

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

I seem to recall someone getting all bent out of shape over being called a racist when he pointed put that Islam is not a race. But apparently that person was not serious about turning down the level of animosity that has invaded the discourse around here.

Oh well.

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

That's an interesting definition. Where did you get it?

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

I thought this election's official oxymoron was compassionate conservative? Or does each party get one?

Bill Kristol is not wearing pants
 

One simple question. Where is Osama?

things proven today
 

I don't want to blow any holes in your theory or anything. Oh hell, yes I do, but only because it's silly.

I first moved to the suburbs because the city was too freaking crowded and dirty. But now, I live where I do because my employer is out here. And so is Sears. And Motorola. And Exelon (youu might remember it when it was just plain old Com Ed).

There's also the fact that I bought a new home for a little less than half what my brother paid for a falling-down "fixer-upper" in West Lakeview. Oh, and I have this thing called a driveway to park my car or for friends to park theirs.

You took a lot of shit for your theory because it has more holes in it than a wheel of Jarlsberg.

Oh, I think she's selling it just fine. I'd ass-fuck her.

Off the reservation
 

As a lifelong Californian, I urge you to reconsider. Referenda result in worse laws than the parliamentary process.

This year's ballot will be filled with more "I like duckies and bunnies" initiatives, and several "Shall we issue five trillion in bonds to fund duckies and bunnies?" to back them up.

Bill Kristol is not wearing pants
 

As I've been saying for months, dead in a cave somewhere.


Let me guess - Dan Rather has a memo to prove otherwise?

Off the reservation
 

Is your sarcasm meter impaired? Jesus.

Off the reservation
 

Sorry. Too many paddle blows to the head as a child.

Off!
 

What are you, 60?

things proven today
 

Gee, when you don't have a substantive answer that can't be blown apart on a first pass, just call the other side "silly" or "stupid" or something. You know this Sebby character?

The fact is, people use codewords like "crowded and dirty" to justify moving from Austin to Oak Park, though the neighborhoods are virtually identical but-for this one little thing that the evil coalition has wrought.

Work? Who left the city first, the scared whites or Sears, Motorola and Exelon? Its the whole critical mass thing I addressed in another post.

Cheaper? Your subdivision wasn't new, was it? There have been numerous articles and studies in the Chicago area noting that the infrastructure for new communities (roads, sewers, schools) is bought with tax money from old communities. But hey, those aren't your neighbors anymore, so fuck-em, right?

So tell me about more holes in my theory regarding fairness etc. The fact is, you and the rest of the scared whites originally protested the idea of spreading section 8 to Lake Forest and Schaumburg and wherever-the-fuck Sebby lives. Let me guess, Motorola and Exelon and Sears won't hire those people, or they wouldn't be able to afford your half-off townhome, or... uhm, why shouldn't you suffer like those in the city again?

The thing is, nobody here has been able to justify the opposition. Y'all are too busy explaining that nope, its just better in the suburbs, and the lack of public housing and section 8 is just gravy!

Like I said. Wanna see how quickly the Democratic party agrees to get rid of your precious social programs? Threaten to fairly implement them so Democrats have to live with the results.

From the Republicans, the argument (not that you've presented any) is just disingenuous. From y'all Democrats, its downright hypocritical.

Hello

Jackson and Kerry are perfect for one another - no one can understand a goddamned thing either one says.

Did you see the Daily Show's clips of the Kerry interview with Diane Sawyer last night? Kerry couldn't answer a single fiucking question. Its as though he has a legitimate communication problem.

In fairness, however, the Daily Show's bit juxtaposing Bush's bullshit on the aircraft carrier back in 2003 against his present statements was even more damning. Its as though he has no memory, conscience or shame. He may get my vote, but I wouldn't shake his hand - he's not worthy to wash Nixon's jock. Hell has a special place for the Bush family - I'm certain of it more and more each day.

Oh, and I wonder... Was Cheney aware when he followed Zell Miller at the GOP Convention that on most of the votes Miller ripped Kerry about, Chenye voted the same way as Kerry? How does Dick explain that he voted to stop funding to the military almost as much as Kerry did? Is Dick heavily invested in the spitball industry? And was Miller aware of just how hypocritical it was for him to welcome Tricky Dick after ripping Dick's record to shreds? Its too bad the Dems can't find a good hatchet man - a good hatchet artists like Bubba could beat these fuckwads around the country like Holmes peppering Randall Tex Cobb.

Agree. The Dems need a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' muthafuckas. Have they ever had one? The Republicans have plenty.*

*but that's b/c they're always so angry. Old angry bitter white men telling the neighbor kids to "STAY OFF MY LAWN" while shaking their fists.

things proven today
 

Oy veh. Look, there is only so much bandwidth and time. I know crazy, unsupportable theories. I offer them up on these boards all the time. You sir, have floated an idiotic theory, and Wonk is right to dismiss it out of pocket. Were we to cull and compile the empirical data to refute your unspportable conclusory statements, we'd be here for days. Suffice it to say, your theory is one of those rare ones that is so flawed in every regard that it does not justify the exercise required for factual rebuttal. If we we were in Court, I'd move for frivolous litigation costs aginst you. THAT is why I called you silly.

People move to the burbs and enjoy the burbs for exactly the simple reason Wonk noted - its nice out there. Its a good place to raise kids. Its nice to have a yard. You're finding nefarious motives where there are none. You sound like some sort of X-Files nut explaining how the Super Bowl is fixed or some claptrap along those lines. Now stop this debate and move on to something sensible already.

I'll even admit you're right if it will placate you and kill this idiot discussion. Whatever it takes...

things proven today
 

Maybe he hasn't been to the near north side in a while. W/in five years Cabrini Green will be replaced by condos. It's so gentrified there are very few minorities left. People still flee to the burbs, though.

Not me though. Never. I could understand living in the burbs of another city. Some are quite scenic and offer many opportunites for outdoor activities, etc. Not the Chicago burbs. No hills. Shitty traffic. Overpriced farmland.

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

No, that was the last election. Liberal Thinker is always a permissible one.

things proven today
 

i.e., "waaah, don't you dare send those people out my way" . Skip your original motivation. Can you or the rest of the NIMBY crowd give one good reason you shouldn't be fairly subjected to the burdens of our national policy? I mean, I realize y'all are saying how you love poor people, and how you ain't afraid of minorities, etc. etc. etc., but I'm not hearing any good reasons why you shouldn't be subject to the same draft I am.

Let me guess though, smart people like you and Wonk and the other suburbanites are too important to serve in Johnson's other great war.

eta White people hate these conversations

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

Dissent. Cite: Cf. Faculty at your own college and law school.

Conservative Intellectual, however, is an oxymoron that will live forever. Cite: all self-proclaimed conservative intellectuals, starting with Bilmore.

This is shite. If you look at every election in the last 50 years (and probably longer) the more optimistic/personally likeable candidate always wins. The reason why the DEMs are having trouble this that thier candidate is not optimistic/likeable.

Anger never wins shit. Clinton stuffed the GOP anger in 1996 and eventually lead to Newt's departure.

The "blip"
 

WSJ reporter Farnaz Fassihi recounts things in Baghdad in emails to friends:

Why are wussy reporters from liberal outposts like the WSJ making up these horrible lies? Why, bilmore, why?

Take the Ginheads Bowling
 

Al Franken has challenged Bill O'Reilly to a friendly bowling match. A group called Meetup.com has organized The Great American Bowl-Off, to happen on Oct 7 at a bowling "center" near you, as part of an effort to put partisan politics aside for a day as the election heats up. A spokesman for O'Reilly has said, "Bill O'Reilly is not going to respond to anything Al Franken says." O'Reilly was probably afraid that Al would catch him in another lie. Or Al may have challenged O'Reilly to wager his prestigious Peabody awards that he won for his work on A Current Affair.

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

Must be a 9th circuit dissent. Don't worry, it will be reversed.

things proven today
 

OK, so showing that yuppies come back when they aren't subject to concentrated public housing and section 8 goes against what I'm saying how? Meantime, the tax base of the south suburbs is steadily dropping as section 8 concentrations move in. Where haven't we seen that before? But its all just a coincidence, because some people just want a one acre lot (with no poor people within 10 miles).

Bill Kristol must read my rants
 

In this instance, you are confusing "liberal thinker" with "useless liberal"

My Girl Ann
 

I didn't mean the actual candidates. I meant others doing the dirty work for those candidates. Marcellus Wallace didn't go to work on the homes with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. He had others do it for him.

Take the Ginheads Bowling
 

Look at Al. He probably has his own ball and a polyester shirt with "Al" on the front pocket and BOB'S TOWING on the back.

Would you challenge Amstrong to a bike race? Me neither.

things proven today
 

Uh, you're nuts. And bag the cheap race baiting. You've chucked that lure into the pond about 100X and come back empty so far. Take a hint.

Take the Ginheads Bowling
 

You mean Bill doesn't have his own? After all, he did grow up in the working-class part of Levittown.

things proven today
 

My point was that people still flee to the burbs even though the near north is becoming more white. So why are they still leaving?

Understood, but I think you are just wrong. Hatchet men come and Hatchet men go on both sides, but I don't think they matter a drop. Its the candidate.

The "blip"
 

More Iraqi violence; 35 children die.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...World&cat=Iraq

eta: With insurgents targeting anything with even a hint of officialdom, why are they having a ceremony to mark the opening of a sewage plant?

Take the Ginheads Bowling
 

You of all people should respect this. If not, you can no longer be a Little Lebowski Urban Achiever.

The problem for the Dems is that their sunny candidate is only running for VP, while their angry candidate is running for preseident, whereas the GOP has the reverse situation. Bush is free to look sunny and above the fray while Cheney wields the hatchet. Edwards looks like a whiffle candidate while Kerry looks like an angry wierd old Massachusetts rich guy.

things proven today
 

Uh, you don't have any answer. And bag the cheap name-calling. You've not answered the question 100X, but used words like "nuts", "stupid", "silly" etc. 101. Which is funny, you expect me to let the issue go away because you call me names, while all I'm asking for is one good reason you shouldn't be subjected to burdens fairly.

Look, I don't really expect you to answer that. The fact is, both you and I would both be happy if anyone ever brought this topic up in national politics. These programs would be killed yesterday if someone were to threaten to impose them semi-uniformly tomorrow.

Shinseki
 

Several on this board have been passing along this myth (Ty, SAM), so I'm wondering what the lefty blogs have to say about this.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/r...20040930.shtml