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Tyrone Slothrop

01-08-2004 07:12 PM

Book Club

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Originally posted by dtb
I meant to do this the day I got back from vacation, but, alas, I was buried under piles of CRAP in my office.

So, anyway, to whomever recommended "The God of Small Things" -- I would like to say THANK YOU!! I loved, loved, loved it. (The Booker Prize is pretty reliable, in my view, but I really loved this book.)

I read about 7 books over vacation, and left them all there (who wants to schlep back a book I'm never going to read again?) -- except that one. In fact, I started re-reading it on the plane home.

Sorry I can't remember who it was, but THANKS!

I'm glad you liked it, but it wasn't me. I read this, and decided never to pick up the book. Their review of Cold Mountain had the same effect on me -- sadly, after I'd already bought it.

Did you just call me Coltrane?

01-08-2004 07:12 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The word "rational" doesn't modify "emotion." I think what you're talking about are proportioned emotions, or predictable emotions,* or emotions with which you, too, can empathize. But not "rational."

*In the sense that they are not unexpected. I don't suggest that you ever attempt to validate your SO's emotions by calling them "predictable." What you get in response to calling them that might be unexpected, unless you expected that you and your nutsack would not necessarily live out your respective lives together.

I meant "rational' in that, objectively, they're expected. So yes, emotions are subjective. Logic is not. Thank you for correcting me.

Didn't everybody date that psych major in college that called every one of your reactions "predictable"? I'm glad I stuck with Econ.

str8outavannuys

01-08-2004 07:12 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I agree. If my husband cheated on me and (a) it was a one-time thing, and (b) didn't infect me with anything, I honestly don't think it would be the end of the world. I don't expect anyone to be perfect. Of course, I would prefer that I didn't find out.

Hear hear. It's just sex. I wish I could claim that it's our Torontonianism that makes us so mature about these things, but I once had a most severe Torontonian-ex who quite definitely didn't have a sense of humor or perspective about this sort of thing.

Tying threads, this is the same ex with whom I once met up while dating she who is now my wife, and my wife somehow knew that I had seen her once while we were dating (even though she lives, by turns, 3000 and 6000 miles away from Los Angeles, she had been her once for work/research purposes and we got together for a drink). I finally copped to it awhile back, after she asked me for about the 10th time if I had seen this ex since we'd started going out. She somehow just knew based on my response the first time she asked. I guess I'm like Abba - a bad liar.

Shape Shifter

01-08-2004 07:12 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
It also depends on WHICH ex you're meeting up with.

This is one reason why you should never discuss exes.

Tyrone Slothrop

01-08-2004 07:15 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
How many people here would/have actually lied to their SO about something like that (much less concoct an elaborate plan to do so, along with accomplices)... And if you would/have done so, why?

I haven't done it, and can't imagine doing it. This seems so fundamental to me that I have a hard time even understanding how people can think this way -- their conception of marriage must be very different than mine. But I keep reading here in the hopes that it will become clear.

robustpuppy

01-08-2004 07:21 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
This is one reason why you should never discuss exes.

What exes? You were the first.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand

01-08-2004 07:22 PM

Crank Yankers

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Apparently, some tool over at AP accidentally forwarded via email his entire rolodex filled with phone numbers from sports icons ranging from Kareem to Peter Angelos to Clemens to the Fraziers to Madden to Stan Mikita.

Gonna be a lot of prank calls over the next few days.

Disclaimer: Any prank calls to Merlin Olson were not from me

I've seen the list, and it is lengthy and looks accurate (judging by some of the area codes) if not old... Some of the people on there can only be reached now through a seance (Walter Payton, FloJo, etc.)

Dare somebody to crank call Butkus or Da Coach...

ThurgreedMarshall

01-08-2004 07:23 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Ok. Would your analysis/approach change at all if your SO had upfront, early in the relationship let you know that lying about that sort of stuff is unacceptable?

Good question. I guess it would depend on whether or not we had the "It's okay for you to have a drink with an ex and I'll never make a big deal about something like that and I'm signing this affidavidit attesting to same" conversation. And I've that conversation. You guys mean it at the time, but when you run into an ex who is hotter than you, it's like it never happened. "Oh, She's your ex? You didn't tell me she was that cute/funny/smart/whatever. How much time did you spend with her? How long are you going to be out? What did you guys talk about? Etc. Etc. Headache.

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I guess from my perspective men* seem to be so adverse to having a mildly unpleasant conversation about something that instead they risk a much larger fight and future trust issues. Not a good tradeoff IMO.

You're right. But if I'm not out all night, what's the big deal? The much larger fight will end. And the chances of it actually even taking place are very, very slim.

TM

Replaced_Texan

01-08-2004 07:24 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Not telling/lying is better for everyone.

But you'd better damned well make sure that she NEVER finds out, because however mad and unreasonable she was going to be back when you first decided to hide something/lie to her, magnify that by several hundred when she finds out that you've been keeping things/lying to her.

Shape Shifter

01-08-2004 07:24 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
What exes? You were the first.

As were you, darling.

robustpuppy

01-08-2004 07:28 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
But you'd better damned well make sure that she NEVER finds out, because however mad and unreasonable she was going to be back when you first decided to hide something/lie to her, magnify that by several hundred when she finds out that you've been keeping things/lying to her.

RT, once he explains that he was only keeping it from her because he knew she was going to have this kind of irrational reaction (which she wouldn't have, by the way, if she weren't so insecure, and she must be insecure, because if she weren't, why would she be bothered by a perfectly innocent meeting with an ex?), and she sees that it was for her own good, then it will all be fine, and they'll have really hot makeup sex.

ThurgreedMarshall

01-08-2004 07:29 PM

lies

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Originally posted by Fugee
It all depends on the SO and the friend. And someone watching for a longish period of time is not necessarily psycho if she was sitting where you were in her line of sight and she could glance over periodically enough to notice if someone else was there.

Ha. You fail to see the simple truth. You can't make it sound like the friend isn't a psycho. Your hypothetical, no matter how plausible, sounds ridiculous. Especially when I get through with it. "Oh. She just happened to be sitting in a spot where I was in her line of sight and i never saw her and she didn't say anything to me? Etc." Where the hell do you think I'm having this drink anyway? The Mall of America?

You know what I think? I think you're the nutso friend.

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Originally posted by Fugee
I still say however entertaining an evening catching up with an ex might be, your best bet is to not do it if it requires lying.

And you wonder why you get lied to.

TM

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand

01-08-2004 07:29 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
As were you, darling.

[Sneezing] Bullshit! [/Sneezing]

sebastian_dangerfield

01-08-2004 07:34 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I'll field this one since all the other liars out there will just lie to you about ever doing something like this.

Meeting with an ex is inherently dangerous. I don't care on what terms you split or how good and platonic your friendship now is. You once fucked them and found them very attractive. It is highly likely that you will find them attractive again. This is how every SO in the world thinks about exes. Everyone who says otherwise is completely full of shit.

So, why go? Because you think you won't find them attractive enough to act on it and you enjoy their company even though it didn't work out with them. You have convinced yourself that you are mature enough to have an adult conversation with them without jumping their bones, etc.

It's not necessarily that you have evil plans that your SO need not know about. It's more like "Why not just save myself the headache of the drawn-out conversation over someone who matters enough to only rate a drink every year or so?" And before you say, "But you've created more work with the lie than the conversation would be," I'll have to say: Wrong. Because you will have the conversation then. You will have the conversation another half-dozen times too. And if you don't actually have that conversation over and over, the SO is going over it in their head on their own at least as many times.

TM

There's a very easy way to have a great platonic meeting with an ex you still find hot - jerk off beforehand.

Simple problem, simple solution.

robustpuppy

01-08-2004 07:36 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
There's a very easy way to have a great platonic meeting with an ex you still find hot - jerk off beforehand.

Simple problem, simple solution.

Very astute. But the issue is would you tell your wife -- about the meeting, or the strategy?

I can just imagine the conversation. I'm sure Sebby's side would be very rational.

Replaced_Texan

01-08-2004 07:39 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
RT, once he explains that he was only keeping it from her because he knew she was going to have this kind of irrational reaction (which she wouldn't have, by the way, if she weren't so insecure, and she must be insecure, because if she weren't, why would she be bothered by a perfectly innocent meeting with an ex?), and she sees that it was for her own good, then it will all be fine, and they'll have really hot makeup sex.

His comment, stupidly, was "I didn't want you to get upset." Then he saw me get upset.

greatwhitenorthchick

01-08-2004 07:40 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
There's a very easy way to have a great platonic meeting with an ex you still find hot - jerk off beforehand.

Simple problem, simple solution.

I don't understand all the ins and outs of the penis, but it's my understanding that some people can come at least twice in one night. So if you are one of these people, and you know you're going to meet with the ex, and you jerk off beforehand, you're likely thinking about her while you do. And then you go meet her and a few hours go by and... not so simple solution.

at least that is how it looks to me. Of course if you are not one of those people, then the solution seems ideal.

Did you just call me Coltrane?

01-08-2004 07:41 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Now YOU'RE trying to make me look like a misogynist too? God I hate you women.

idle acts

01-08-2004 07:41 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
There's a very easy way to have a great platonic meeting with an ex you still find hot - jerk off beforehand.

Simple problem, simple solution.

you must have one LOOOONG refractory period

sebastian_dangerfield

01-08-2004 07:42 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by idle acts
Well put. I expressed similar sentiments a few weeks back to some colleagues regarding a fellow colleague who has elected not to leave her spouse after learning he had a one-night stand with someone. I was surprised to find that I was the only person who thought that her decision made sense.

Those absolutists who say "If he/she cheated on me once, I'd leave" are like upper middle class pro-lifers. They yap a good game, but when push comes to shove, they stay with the one time cheater, and they send the daughter to a discrete clinic outside of town to take care of her "medical issue."

Americans love to be absolutists on everything, and they're always full of shit...

Wait a minute... I resemble that comment.

notcasesensitive

01-08-2004 07:44 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Now YOU'RE trying to make me look like a misogynist too? God I hate you women.

Maybe it's the hat that makes you look like a misogynist.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-08-2004 07:45 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Very astute. But the issue is would you tell your wife -- about the meeting, or the strategy?

I can just imagine the conversation. I'm sure Sebby's side would be very rational.

Neeeewwww, I would not tell her about the strategy. But I'd gladly tell her about the meeting. You can't lie about shit like that because if you get caught you blow the trust, and if you blow the trust, you blow the marriage. The cool thing about the marriage is the complete openness (sans certain "secrets" Wonk wisely noted should be kept to keep some mystery in the relationship). You start hiding shit and you're doomed.

NotFromHere

01-08-2004 07:48 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I don't understand all the ins and outs of the penis, but it's my understanding that some people can come at least twice in one night. So if you are one of these people, and you know you're going to meet with the ex, and you jerk off beforehand, you're likely thinking about her while you do. And then you go meet her and a few hours go by and... not so simple solution.

at least that is how it looks to me. Of course if you are not one of those people, then the solution seems ideal.

No, it goes like this...he jerks off, falls asleep, misses the meeting entirely. Simple solution.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-08-2004 07:50 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by idle acts
you must have one LOOOONG refractory period

I'm just talking about killing the intial urge, not making oneself a temporary eunuch. I guess, if one was utterly void of self control, one could whack off multiple times until he was sore... But such a person would probably cheat with someone sooner or later anyway, so he should just fuck his ex and get his marriage counseling over with earlier rather than later.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-08-2004 07:53 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Hell, just fuck your ex in the ass. That's not cheating.

I learned this because I recently saw a friend from college who confided while drunk that, because his fiance is religious, they only have anal sex. His logic is unassailable... if you've had thirty or so beers.

sebastian_dangerfield

01-08-2004 07:58 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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You can come as many times as you can fuck. The problem is soreness. I've done the three in a day deal and if you're really fucking and not phoning it in 10 min missionary lazy-style, everything gets sore after a while, particularly your dick.

I imagine if there was money on the line, I could come ten times in a day. I knew two cats in college who had a jerk off contest. One guy got up near 15 before he cried uncle.

Don't aske me how the contest was refereed. It wasn't my freshman dorm.

Shape Shifter

01-08-2004 08:01 PM

lies

Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You know what I think? I think you're the nutso friend.

She wasn't spying. She was just out for a drink. After snub practice.

Shape Shifter

01-08-2004 08:05 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You can come as many times as you can fuck. The problem is soreness. I've done the three in a day deal and if you're really fucking and not phoning it in 10 min missionary lazy-style, everything gets sore after a while, particularly your dick.

I imagine if there was money on the line, I could come ten times in a day. I knew two cats in college who had a jerk off contest. One guy got up near 15 before he cried uncle.

Don't aske me how the contest was refereed. It wasn't my freshman dorm.

Sounds to me like they were both winners. It also sounds like they were both losers.

idle acts

01-08-2004 08:07 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
One guy got up near 15 [orgasms] before he cried. . .

Pussy

notcasesensitive

01-08-2004 08:07 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Sounds to me like they were both winners. It also sounds like they were both losers.

I was more curious as to who was on the clean-up crew. And who was in the audience. And whether either of those cats could knock over a liquor bottle with his dick afterwards. Seems like the callouses would help with that.

pony_trekker

01-08-2004 08:10 PM

Crank Yankers

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Hello? Can I speak to Stan? Stan De Pain?

Hank Chinaski

01-08-2004 08:11 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I was more curious as to who was on the clean-up crew. And who was in the audience. And whether either of those cats could knock over a liquor bottle with his dick afterwards. Seems like the callouses would help with that.

If it was the guy who was so long he could knock over bottles, I do hope he was ambidextrous. 15 times that long, times the number of repetitions you'd be getting to about 3+ would be enough to cause your hand to fall off.

Did you just call me Coltrane?

01-08-2004 08:12 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Did we go to school together?

It was all about the honor system.

robustpuppy

01-08-2004 08:14 PM

Book Club

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Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I'm glad you liked it, but it wasn't me. I read this, and decided never to pick up the book. Their review of Cold Mountain had the same effect on me -- sadly, after I'd already bought it.

That was a nasty review, but it was more about the author than about the experience of reading the book. I knew nothing about the book when I read it, didn't care that it had won a Booker prize, picked it up on e/o's recommendation, and devoured it on a plane trip. Had I read that review I would certainly have missed out on it. It's a shame that the reviewer ruined it for you. That's why if I really want to read a book or see a movie, I won't read the reviews beforehand.

notcasesensitive

01-08-2004 08:15 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
If it was the guy who was so long he could knock over bottles, I do hope he was ambidextrous. 15 times that long, times the number of repetitions you'd be getting to about 3+ would be enough to cause your hand to fall off.

The nice thing about the contest is that for once in a young man's life premature ejaculation would be its own reward.

Hank Chinaski

01-08-2004 08:17 PM

Book Club

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
That's why if I really want to read a book or see a movie, I won't read the reviews beforehand.

Movie reviews are very bad, if they go beyond "It is good/bad."
There have only been a handfull of perfect movies ever. Almost every movie has some flaws. A review picks up on the flaws. If you read the review before seeing the movie, the flaws will stand out for you far more than they ever would have seeing the movie cold.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand

01-08-2004 08:22 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I knew two cats in college who had a jerk off contest. One guy got up near 15 before he cried uncle.

So that's where those ruffians running the streets with turkey basters get their ammo...

SlaveNoMore

01-08-2004 08:31 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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sebastian_dangerfield
I've done the three in a day deal and if you're really fucking and not phoning it in 10 min missionary lazy-style, everything gets sore after a while, particularly your dick.

Threesome and a single or the natural hat trick?

Bonus points for both.

Dave	01-08-2004 08:34 PM

Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

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Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
So that's where those ruffians running the streets with turkey basters get their ammo...

Can't you almost hear the SportsCenter coverage of this historic event?

How many times can Dan Patrick say "release ... rotation ... splash!" in one show?

str8outavannuys

01-08-2004 08:39 PM

Speaking of sporting news

Way to go Isiah!

The score at the Garden is right now 23-2, Houston. The Rockets haven't missed a shot, be it of the 1, 2 or 3 point variety.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:05 PM.

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