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spookyfish 01-19-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Or it could be bluster to make the US believe a truce actually has something in it for us.
It could be, but I doubt it. Do not read this in any way to mean I think a truce would have something in it for us, mind you. But I don't doubt they're probably trying to figure out a way to top 9/11. I also don't doubt that they are probably not particularly put off by our "security" efforts. Been to an airport lately?

spookyfish 01-19-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I took that to mean that the US shouldn't fight them, and should instead let ObL rebuild those places to be Muslim empires led by him. If the US does that he won't attack the US.
Your understanding makes more sense.

Damn, it still feels early to me -- I'm either stupid, or the story was lacking context. Take your pick.

And as I said, he is a crazy fuck.

ltl/fb 01-19-2006 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by spookyfish
It could be, but I doubt it. Do not read this in any way to mean I think a truce would have something in it for us, mind you. But I don't doubt they're probably trying to figure out a way to top 9/11. I also don't doubt that they are probably not particularly put off by our "security" efforts. Been to an airport lately?
I wouldn't think OBL would have enough control to ensure no more attacks.

spookyfish 01-19-2006 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I wouldn't think OBL would have enough control to ensure no more attacks.
I think you're right. AQ has always, to my understanding, been kind of a loose affiliation rather than a traditional hierarchical "organization", hasn't it? That said, what good would it do him to compromise with the U.S.? Isn't his ultimate goal to see all western presence/influence removed from the region, particularly SA? If he compromises, there goes whatever credibility he has with the likes of the disaffected arab male contingent that is his bread and butter.

Shape Shifter 01-19-2006 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I took that to mean that the US shouldn't fight them, and should instead let ObL rebuild those places to be Muslim empires led by him. If the US does that he won't attack the US.
I say we accept the truce, but only on the condition that OBL pokes his head out of his hole to sign personally.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-19-2006 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think I'm fairly representing the statutory definition of wilderness.
  • The statutory definition of Wilderness is found in Section 2(c) of the Wilderness Act:

    "A wilderness, in contrast with those areas where man and his own works dominate the landscape, is hereby recognized as an area where the earth and community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain."

You may disagree, but many, many Americans think that "driving one road and a pipeline through the ANWR" -- which I take to be a sort of lazy euphemism for the sort of extensive industrial development described by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service in my last post -- will fundamentally diminish its "wilderness" quality.
That stutuory definition doesn't preclude a road. A road is something people, say people who are "visitors" to someplace... drive on. Unless people start living in the pipeline or on the road, I see no statutory violation there.

I'm unable to find any authority regarding whether paving falls into the govt definition of trammeling. Probably because I didn't look all that hard. But you will... so why should I bother?

Re your second point, many Americans think a Big Mac is healthy. Many Americans think UFOs landed in Roswell. Many Americans believe the planet is 6000 years old. That 1 or 2 million horses asses breathing the air in our 50 states have a hyper-narrow definition of wilderness doesn't mean jack.

ETA: Here's a novel thought... Instead of furiously googling for statutory authority, or cribbing the Sierra Club's insane ramblings on the issue, why not try applying a common sense analysis to the question of whether driving one road ane one pipeline into ANWR removes its "wilderness" maidenhead for all times?

sgtclub 01-19-2006 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I took that to mean that the US shouldn't fight them, and should instead let ObL rebuild those places to be Muslim empires led by him. If the US does that he won't attack the US.
I took it as a sign of weakness, which in that culture, is suicide. Why else would he offer a truce to his sworn enemy? That is why Saddam played chicken with Bush.

Gattigap 01-19-2006 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I took it as a sign of weakness, which in that culture, is suicide. Why else would he offer a truce to his sworn enemy? That is why Saddam played chicken with Bush.
Didn't he offer something similar to Europe a year ago?

ltl/fb 01-19-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I took it as a sign of weakness, which in that culture, is suicide. Why else would he offer a truce to his sworn enemy? That is why Saddam played chicken with Bush.
Oh goodie. The reins of power, such as they are, will move on to someone we aren't as familiar with. Yay.

Replaced_Texan 01-19-2006 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I took it as a sign of weakness, which in that culture, is suicide. Why else would he offer a truce to his sworn enemy? That is why Saddam played chicken with Bush.
Well, it's not like we were ever going to take him up on it, and he knew that, so he ends up looking like the good guy who had no choice but to follow up on his threat when we ungraciously told him to fuck himself and his truce.

I'm really sad about the CSM reporter. I don't know why her story resonates with me more than the thousands of other people who have been kidnapped or killed in Iraq by insurgents, but I really hope that she doesn't die.

Hank Chinaski 01-19-2006 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I say we accept the truce, but only on the condition that OBL pokes his head out of his hole to sign personally.
I don't think we can just kill him. we need to respect his constitutional rights. he deserves a trial. Or are you just accepting what the bushies have said he did?

Shape Shifter 01-19-2006 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't think we can just kill him. we need to respect his constitutional rights. he deserves a trial. Or are you just accepting what the bushies have said he did?
Liberal pantywaste. Shut up and let the adults handle this.

Replaced_Texan 01-19-2006 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't think we can just kill him. we need to respect his constitutional rights. he deserves a trial. Or are you just accepting what the bushies have said he did?
There was a terrorism expert on the Daily Show a few nights ago (wrote a book called The Osama Bin Ladin I Know) that said that the best thing to do with him would be to capture him and give him the Sadaam treatment, so he's not looked upon as a martyr but as a failure.

It's nice to see that you're on board with the lastest theories on what to do about terrorism, Hank.

Shape Shifter 01-19-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
That stutuory definition doesn't preclude a road. A road is something people, say people who are "visitors" to someplace... drive on. Unless people start living in the pipeline or on the road, I see no statutory violation there.
An airport would probably be more convenient.

Hank Chinaski 01-19-2006 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
There was a terrorism expert on the Daily Show a few nights ago (wrote a book called The Osama Bin Ladin I Know) that said that the best thing to do with him would be to capture him and give him the Sadaam treatment, so he's not looked upon as a martyr but as a failure.

It's nice to see that you're on board with the lastest theories on what to do about terrorism, Hank.
what gets me is no one is up in arms about some dolt stealing the Hank sock on this judged. look i don't go there, but that guy could really hurt the goodwill associated with my mark.
SS you have a crown- please fix this. talk to someone there.


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