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Originally posted by ltl/fb
The engine of the C-295 is the PW127 turboprop. It is generic for the 70-seat civilian turboprop market . . . The C-295 is, as you'd expect, the militarized version of the 70-seat flying bus, configurable to haul seats, pallets, or stretchers. They go for about $25,000,000 each.

The engine of the CN-235 is the GE CT7-9C turboprop. It too is generic for the 45-seat civilian turboprop market, . . . The CN-235 is, as you'd expect, the militarized version of the 45-seat flying bus, configurable to haul seats, pallets. They go for about $17,000,000. The C-295 is a stretched derivative of the CN-235 transporter, with characteristic high wing, rear loader design.

$25 million and $17 million seem like quite high prices for used planes that are essentially harmless, but, looking at Boeing's website, it looks like the smallest version of the 737, which seats 110, went for between $45 million and $55 million in 2005.

I would not be surprised if the planes, after being outfitted for the Brazilian or Spanish military or whatever, hadn't had some fancy-pants electronics installed in them that make them not the everyday commuter plane.

ETA on rereading the thingy you linked to, it isn't clear to me that the planes themselves are essentially harmless -- just that the engines, which it says are the US portions that we can restrict the sale of, could be used for perfectly innocent purposes. Well, yeah, like an aircraft carrier could be used just as like a big floating city, and you could like put basketball and tennis courts on the flight deck.

EATA this is the first thing that pulled up when I searched "C-295" -- http://www.c295-tour.com/family.html

Actually I don't even buy that website's story at all -- it appears that Raytheon and EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company) jointly manufacture it, and Raytheon seems most definitely to be an American company, so there'd be a lot more US tech in a plane they were making than just some engine.

I deem that website full of shit. But I know a lot more about planes now.

dim. you work in Erisa for some donut-poor client. leave talk about military to the men. n'est ce-pas?

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Tyrone Slothrop
If this is to be believed, the Administration is trying to deny Venezuela access to commuter aircraft.

Chavez is a thug. A tyrant. And a rogue that is actively working to establish technological ties with Iran.

So, back to your statement. Why would we care?

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Chavez is a thug. A tyrant. And a rogue that is actively working to establish technological ties with Iran.

He's the democratically elected leader, though.

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So, back to your statement. Why would we care?

You'll have to ask fringey.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
He's the democratically elected leader, though.

so you think people should just let an elected leader do what he will? can we please quit hearing about bugging al queda phone calls then?

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And a rogue that is actively working to establish technological ties with Iran.

He wants to make deals with Iran? You say that like it's a bad thing.

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
so you think people should just let an elected leader do what he will?

You know, you're right -- if Venezuela gets modern commuter aircraft, it could send businesspeople to work in cities all over the region, from Bogota to Kingstown, and have them back in Caracas every night to get more instructions.

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can we please quit hearing about bugging al queda phone calls then?

I have no problem with bugging Al Qaeda calls. It's my calls I don't want bugged.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I have no problem with bugging Al Qaeda calls. It's my calls I don't want bugged.

Silly liberal. How can Cheney be sure you aren't al Qaeda until he has listened to your calls?

If the feds had been conducting un-warranted wiretaps widely in early 2001, it would have prevented 9/11. (Somebody might have said "al Qaeda plans attacks within US", and that kind of thing is much more of an attention-grabber when spoken instead of written).

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Silly liberal. How can Cheney be sure you aren't al Qaeda until he has listened to your calls?

If the feds had been conducting un-warranted wiretaps widely in early 2001, it would have prevented 9/11. (Somebody might have said "al Qaeda plans attacks within US", and that kind of thing is much more of an attention-grabber when spoken instead of written).

when bill clinton repeatedly decided to not take Bin Ladin, pre-9/11, was that because it would have been unwarrented?

Spanky's Mystery Woman

What happened to Spanky's wealthy woman of mystery who was all lined up to take on Pombo?

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Chavez is a thug. A tyrant. And a rogue that is actively working to establish technological ties with Iran.

So, back to your statement. Why would we care?

You mean like the energy deal Cheney was trying to cook up with Iran pre-9/11?

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Chavez is a thug. A tyrant. And a rogue that is actively working to establish technological ties with Iran.

So, back to your statement. Why would we care?

The administration should have thought out their stated objection better. Plus, if the war-machine makers want to sell, they should be allowed to. Free market, etc.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Why don't you stop pretending that developing ANWR involves "driving one road and one pipeline" into it? You sound like a shill for an oil company. It's ignorant.

Are you using ignorant as an insult? I love that.

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
The administration should have thought out their stated objection better. Plus, if the war-machine makers want to sell, they should be allowed to. Free market, etc.

Amen. How in the hell can we justify invading Venezuala or assassinating Chavez if he doesn't have adequate hardware to make him a threat?

You'd think we would have learned our lesson in Iraq. How many despots do we have to provide with inadequate WMD, causing us to lose face during subsequent invasions of their nations, before we learn?

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Are you using ignorant as an insult? I love that.

I was using it to mean "ignorant," but I'm happy I could please.

Spanky's Mystery Woman

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
What happened to Spanky's wealthy woman of mystery who was all lined up to take on Pombo?

She turned out not to be a good candidate. We decided it would be a lot easier for Pete to get earned media. So we went with Pete. The official announcement is coming from Lodi today. Do you want to donate?