LawTalkers - Fashion Board 2-3-04 to 3-5-04

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
As previously mentioned, am missing yoga class tonight to work. As not previously mentioned, yummy turtle cheesecake is sitting in conference room across the hall from my office (leftover from birthday celebration, including my own, that I missed for aforementioned conference call today). I should stay away from that, shouldn't I? Just checking.

Go for it! Yummy!

leagleaze

02-24-2004 08:21 PM

Coals to Newcastle and all that....

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive

Although I typically associate it with leagl. Perhaps she is a little bitchier than the rest of us?

Yes, I am. And I invented it as whiff's angrier, bitchier cousin. However, I do not require payment. If you want to make a donation to the site instead, feel free.

I think you should eat the cheesecake.

And Less, amen brother.

Flinty_McFlint

02-24-2004 08:30 PM

Not so jaded

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Originally posted by LessinSF
I think it is a myopically, phenomenally stupid move by Bush that may cost him the election. The conservatives were already going to vote for him, and all it takes is an incremental further alienation of the middle to push the election to the Dems. One lifelong Republican on this board has told me s/he wants to write a letter to the White House. It won't take many of those, along with Republicans upset about boys in body bags, record deficits, record farm subsidies, etc. to tip the balance.

But for Prohibition (and we all know how well that worked), almost every amendment to the Constitution has granted greater freedoms and civil liberties to people rather than the reverse, particularly where, as here, there is no harm done to anyone else. The parallels to a Reconstruction Era "separate, but equal" are uncanny, as has been noted before, and I think (and hope) they will ultimately bite Bush on the ass. This is going to be the civil rights issue of this decade, and Bush and his ilk are ultimately going to lose it. When this Supreme Court can strike down all sodomy laws just 35 years after the first real public awareness of homosexual rights (Stonestown) despite hundreds of years of discrimination and persecution, the tide has turned and did so quickly. Bush was ill-advised to make this a flagship issue. The tide may be a riptide.

I must need some more coffee, I didn't see any references to reality tv or porn in this post, which was well thought out, and hopefully turns out to be true.

idle acts

02-24-2004 08:34 PM

Not so jaded

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
I must need some more coffee, I didn't see any references to reality tv or porn in this post, which was well thought out, and hopefully turns out to be true.

Well, he did mention the President's ass. . .

Flinty_McFlint

02-24-2004 08:40 PM

Not so jaded

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Originally posted by idle acts
Well, he did mention the President's ass. . .

That must explain the erection I got halfway through reading the post. Then again, so could a variety of things.

notcasesensitive

02-24-2004 08:42 PM

Coals to Newcastle and all that....

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Originally posted by leagleaze
I think you should eat the cheesecake.

The whole thing? Sheesh.

Atticus Grinch

02-24-2004 08:51 PM

Not so jaded

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Originally posted by LessinSF
The parallels to a Reconstruction Era "separate, but equal" are uncanny

Ain't no "equal" about it. The proposed amendment would not allow any courts, state or federal, or legislatures, state or federal, to permit same sex marriage or any civil unions that confer the same benefits as marriage.

Quote:

Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups.

Federal Marriage Amendment (H.J. Res. 56) (emphasis added.) As I read this, no state could enact an enforceable law that conferred all of the benefits of marriage on any gay couple. Maybe they wouldn't even be allowed to confer any of the benefits taken individually --- that will depend on which District Judge comes up on the wheel, I guess.

Bush would have had (sad to say) much more support if he had simply denied the word "marriage" to gays and lesbians. But he's also trying to kill civil unions, in a sneaky way. I think as people think more about this, they will see this as a REALLY SHITTY thing to do to perfectly nice people --- which is what brought down Jim Crow, eventually. This will backfire on him when people realize the ultraright is trying to kill civil unions, too, all while defending "marriage." Meanwhile, you can divorce with impunity, notwithstanding some far more clear language against it in the precious Gospels that Bush thinks motivate this.

I've stopped seeing Bush as stupid, or now I see his stupidity is irrelevant. My problem with him is not that he is stupid. My problem with him is that he is a dick. And fuck Zell Miller, too.

dtb	02-24-2004 08:51 PM

New York sports question

Quote:

Originally posted by idle acts
I know that I should know this and I'm sorry that I missed it, but what is TCOTU?

Does no one read my "location" line? Sob.

Skeks in the city

02-24-2004 09:01 PM

Speaking of Christmas

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Quote:

You never lie. She's bangin'.

The posters for "girl next door" are good because the location of her hand on her butt has a visual reference to the copertone ads. The effect is that, at first glance, you'll likely as not confuse her hand for the top of her butt.

notcasesensitive

02-24-2004 09:05 PM

Not so jaded

Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Ain't no "equal" about it. The proposed amendment would not allow any courts, state or federal, or legislatures, state or federal, to permit same sex marriage or any civil unions that confer the same benefits as marriage.

Federal Marriage Amendment (H.J. Res. 56) (emphasis added.) As I read this, no state could enact an enforceable law that conferred all of the benefits of marriage on any gay couple. Maybe they wouldn't even be allowed to confer any of the benefits taken individually --- that will depend on which District Judge comes up on the wheel, I guess.

Bush would have had (sad to say) much more support if he had simply denied the word "marriage" to gays and lesbians. But he's also trying to kill civil unions, in a sneaky way. I think as people think more about this, they will see this as a REALLY SHITTY thing to do to perfectly nice people --- which is what brought down Jim Crow, eventually. This will backfire on him when people realize the ultraright is trying to kill civil unions, too, all while defending "marriage." Meanwhile, you can divorce with impunity.

I've stopped seeing Bush as stupid, or now I see his stupidity is irrelevant. My problem with him is not that he is stupid. My problem with him is that he is a dick. And fuck Zell Miller, too.

I agree that he has had an agenda that would cater to the religious right since he took office (I've always assumed that is becuase he is a member of the religious right). That is what I said to my moderate friends who voted for him last time. My concern had to do with his stance of abortion and his likelihood of stacking the Supreme Court, but this is not an unforeseeable act by this guy.

That said (or, as a mod, now that I've had my say), this discussion will need to move to the politics board at some point BEFORE the point in time that we would be discussing how gay marriage does or does not differ from polygamy. I say this as a mod and as a person who has bothered to glance at the politics board once of twice during the last couple of months.

Good day.

notcasesensitive

02-24-2004 09:06 PM

Speaking of Christmas

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeks in the city

The posters for "girl next door" are good because the location of her hand on her butt has a visual reference to the copertone ads. The effect is that, at first glance, you'll likely as not confuse her hand for the top of her butt.

cite please.

Dave	02-24-2004 09:07 PM

Coals to Newcastle and all that....

Quote:

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen

*Wouldn't Paigow be proud?

If there were an award for excellence in the ironic use of an asterisk, this would be the winner.

edited to satisfy timmies everywhere.

notcasesensitive

02-24-2004 09:10 PM

Coals to Newcastle and all that....

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
If there were an award for excellence in the ironic use of an apostraphe, this would be the winner.

If there was an award for best inadvertant misuse (not to mention misspelling) of the word apostrophe, this would be the winner.

idle acts

02-24-2004 09:11 PM

Not so jaded

Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Ain't no "equal" about it. The proposed amendment would not allow any courts, state or federal, or legislatures, state or federal, to permit same sex marriage or any civil unions that confer the same benefits as marriage.

Federal Marriage Amendment (H.J. Res. 56) (emphasis added.) As I read this, no state could enact an enforceable law that conferred all of the benefits of marriage on any gay couple. Maybe they wouldn't even be allowed to confer any of the benefits taken individually --- that will depend on which District Judge comes up on the wheel, I guess.

Bush would have had (sad to say) much more support if he had simply denied the word "marriage" to gays and lesbians. But he's also trying to kill civil unions, in a sneaky way. I think as people think more about this, they will see this as a REALLY SHITTY thing to do to perfectly nice people --- which is what brought down Jim Crow, eventually. This will backfire on him when people realize the ultraright is trying to kill civil unions, too, all while defending "marriage." Meanwhile, you can divorce with impunity, notwithstanding some far more clear language against it in the precious Gospels that Bush thinks motivate this.

I've stopped seeing Bush as stupid, or now I see his stupidity is irrelevant. My problem with him is not that he is stupid. My problem with him is that he is a dick. And fuck Zell Miller, too.

I've been listening to two MORONS on the radio here in LA this afternoon - they actually read the second sentence of the proposed amendment to mean that the amendment is "weak" and doesn't actually "require" any state to restrict marriage to a man and a woman. On that basis, they conclude that the gay community is overreacting. Unbelievable.

Skeks in the city

02-24-2004 09:14 PM

New York sports question

Originally posted by robustpuppy

Quote:

The Center of the Universe. NYC, that is.

Ye of little solipsism -- only Manhattan makes the grade.

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