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Sidd Finch 01-27-2006 01:21 PM

Spanky, Beware!
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060127/...madcow_deer_dc


(Venison carries mad cow-like agent)

Secret_Agent_Man 01-27-2006 01:40 PM

Hamas
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Who's going to run it better? Ted Kennedy and the "filiblusters"?
I liked the quote from Sen. Dick Durbin (D - Ill.), the Minority Whip. "One of the first prerequisites for being in Congress is to know how to count." He doesn't think a filibuster is realistic -- and that is obviously true.

That said, I think that Kerry and Kennedy know it will fail, but are acting to give some satisfaction to the left-wing activist base and keep them on the reservation and (hopefully) motivated for the upcoming elections. Much like the way that most Republicans pay lip service to the religious right.

Alito will be confirmed Tuesday morning.

S_A_M

Hank Chinaski 01-27-2006 01:50 PM

Hamas
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I liked the quote from Sen. Dick Durbin (D - Ill.), the Minority Whip. "One of the first prerequisites for being in Congress is to know how to count." He doesn't think a filibuster is realistic -- and that is obviously true.

That said, I think that Kerry and Kennedy know it will fail, but are acting to give some satisfaction to the left-wing activist base and keep them on the reservation and (hopefully) motivated for the upcoming elections. Much like the way that most Republicans pay lip service to the religious right.

Alito will be confirmed Tuesday morning.

S_A_M
I thought he wouldn't change much, regardless of how conservative he ends up being, because I thought Roberts will be more centrist, certainly more center than Renquist. But the first decision i saw he was in a minority of 3 with Scalia and Thomas. Maybe I'm wrong?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-27-2006 01:57 PM

filibuster
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man

That said, I think that Kerry and Kennedy know it will fail, but are acting to give some satisfaction to the left-wing activist base and keep them on the reservation and (hopefully) motivated for the upcoming elections.
They hardly need a base, but isn't it pretty silly? A vote no is just that. A filibuster leaves them open to charges of obstructionism when the die is cast.

Secret_Agent_Man 01-27-2006 04:52 PM

Hamas
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I thought he wouldn't change much, regardless of how conservative he ends up being, because I thought Roberts will be more centrist, certainly more center than Renquist. But the first decision i saw he was in a minority of 3 with Scalia and Thomas. Maybe I'm wrong?
Maybe so. I think Alito on the S.Ct. will change quite a bit.

Of course we can't tell much from a few cases, but Roberts is not nearly as down-the-middle as he was portrayed, and I don't see him as much more centrist than Rehnquist.

The first abortion case may tell the tale.

S_A_M

P.S. Bush, et al. would be pretty disappointed if Roberts and Alito didn't change much. That was the whole point -- to put conservative agents of change on the S.Ct while avoiding the fights over perceived looney-right candidates like JRB.

sgtclub 01-27-2006 04:56 PM

Hamas
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man

The first abortion case may tell the tale.

Not until Kennedy dies.

Secret_Agent_Man 01-27-2006 04:59 PM

filibuster
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
They hardly need a base, but isn't it pretty silly? A vote no is just that. A filibuster leaves them open to charges of obstructionism when the die is cast.
The Democratic Party needs a base, and some Dem. Senators are under a lot of pressure from the activist left to show some balls and fight hard over Alito -- win or lose.

It may (or may not) hurt the Dems a bit with the average Joe -- but you have to keep the foot-soldiers motivated. (Why do you think the GOP let Pat Buchanan speak at the 1991 convention?)

Again -- Kennedy can do it because he has zero to lose, and I think Kerry is positioning himself to try to take/hold the party's left wing in preparation for 2008. Willingly or not, he will end up trying to outflank Hillary from the left.

S_A_M

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-27-2006 05:24 PM

filibuster
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Willingly or not, he will end up trying to outflank Hillary from the left.

S_A_M
There's a winning strategy. "Vote for me, because I'm to the left of the person that everyone thinks is too far left to win the general election."

Secret_Agent_Man 01-27-2006 05:44 PM

filibuster
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
There's a winning strategy. "Vote for me, because I'm to the left of the person that everyone thinks is too far left to win the general election."
To win the general election, one must first win the primary election, and I think HC is trying to put herself about as far to the right as one can go and win the Dem. primaries.

S_A_M

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-27-2006 05:49 PM

filibuster
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
To win the general election, one must first win the primary election, and I think HC is trying to put herself about as far to the right as one can go and win the Dem. primaries.

S_A_M

She could take pat buchanan's positions publicly for the next two years and still win the nomination.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-27-2006 06:10 PM

Hamas
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I liked the quote from Sen. Dick Durbin (D - Ill.), the Minority Whip. "One of the first prerequisites for being in Congress is to know how to count." He doesn't think a filibuster is realistic -- and that is obviously true.

That said, I think that Kerry and Kennedy know it will fail, but are acting to give some satisfaction to the left-wing activist base and keep them on the reservation and (hopefully) motivated for the upcoming elections. Much like the way that most Republicans pay lip service to the religious right.

Alito will be confirmed Tuesday morning.

S_A_M
You only rage against unbeatable odds when there is no other option. In this case, the Dems have another option - develop a voice and take back the other two branches of govt. Kennedy and Kerry will look like the pair of horses asses they are if they fillibuster Alito. I wouldn't be surprised to see either do it. Kennedy has nothing to lose and Kerry has the political instincts of a... oh, hell, the man's just a goddamned imbecile. I hated Bush intensely and voted for Kerry, and still felt stupid and dirty for doing so....

If the Dems had any sense, they'd play Alito to their advantage in the midterms and 2008. They could spin horror tales about what GOP control of all three branches would do.

But no matter what spin they chuck onto the GOP's actions, they still have to offer a sensible alternative. Which. They. Can't.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-27-2006 06:13 PM

filibuster
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Willingly or not, he will end up trying to outflank Hillary from the left.
Oh, it will be willingly, since it's the only sure way to make absolutely certain he can't win.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-27-2006 06:22 PM

Times like these are when I really miss Penske
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Better yet, Byrd is now extremely concerned about mining conditions and the safety of miners - even though they've been mining in West Virginia for 150 years, and Byrd has been their Senator for 70 of those.
You get Amex statments more frequently than the man passes stools. I'd be surprised if he knew Hawaii was a state. There should be age and term limits placed on these decrepit fucks. 8-0 and out.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-27-2006 06:29 PM

Hamas
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Odd that you predict the continued temper tantrum of a political organization when it gains political power in the state infrastructure.

History suggests that when such groups actually gain political power and have to start running shit instead of throwing rocks all day, some of the edges tend to smooth out.
True. The Taliban stopped stoning women and started shooting them when they went legit.

ltl/fb 01-27-2006 07:45 PM

Psyops
 
I am confused as to why it would be a bad thing if Americans hear messages regarding America and Americans that are intended for foreign consumption. Someone help me with this.

Chief Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said he rejected the notion the Pentagon was comfortable with the notion of propaganda "bleeding back" from overseas to the United States. "We're not OK with it," Di Rita said.

Is it because "psychological operations [are] restricted by both Pentagon policy and presidential executive order from targeting American audiences and news organizations, as well as U.S. military personnel"?

ETA fixed link, I think.


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