And you are a jihadi loving flamoes.

The Dutch paper was government owned?



It's pussies like you who help keep hundreds of millions of muslim women enslaved. Way to go, facist!

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I wouldn't think of that as art, but I don't know what the criteria were for the grants.

Personally, while I am a practicing christian, it didn't offend me -- I saw it as about as stupid as the chick who covered herself in chocolate (?) and performed a one-woman show on the NEA's dime. People put way too much stock in symbols, and I don't care if some joker doesn't believe what I believe. Plus, Christ tells us to turn the other cheek.

That said, government programs are pretty well obligated by constitutional law to be areligious (though not irreligious), so under our system, that project can be funded if it meets the criteria, just like a whole raft of Mohammed cartoons could be funded. Diane might wanna put in for a grant.

S_A_M

What have you ever sacrificed, or done to support freedom?

I'd bet damn little, based on your posts here. Hiding behind two socks, because you're too afraid to even stand up and be counted.

I laugh and I weep.

S_A_M

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Um....

Ty posted: no point in continuing to reprint the cartoon b/c people are offended by it and "it's not like it's particularly interesting or artistic."

Me: unlike this "offensive/non-artistic cartoon", the defacation/pee images with Jesus and Mary were not quashed by our media even though many didn't think THEY were particularly interesting or artistic, and even though people were also offended by them. And some people think that was a good call with the pee/poo images because of that freedom of expression thing. Get it now? Good.

As for your other post, where you said, "I think the reprints were misguided at best ", tell us. S.A.M. -- what then, were the reprints "at worst?"

You do have a point that publishing the cartoons would have packed more of a punch if the cartoons were testing laws barring publication of them. But then you say, "Given that there are no such laws, and that the publication bears no adverse consequence for the publishers/editors, it means nothing." Nothing, huh? It's forced governments (and privates too) to shit or get off the pot on their professed allegiance to freedom of speech. The ACLU surely wasn't thrilled to lobby for the right of the KKK to march, but they stood by their principles no matter what the speech.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole episode has been very telling and I don't appreciate the world pussyfooting around Muslims just because they are more likely to, en masse, throw deadly hissy fits and declare Fatwas. Let's not offend Muslims because they'll get medieval on our asses? Is that the new standard? Or, it's only okay to offend them if the offensive material is artistic?

First you are saying they should not be posted because there is no consequences and then you are saying they should not be posted because there will be consequences.


yes you are - you are saying why should we print it if it offends these people? When it comes to being offended the problem is usually the person being offended not the offender.

I have no problem with peaceful protests either. But when the protests are asking for censorship they are in the wrong. And when they turn violent we should not give into the intimidation.

Where you offended and saddened when the dung was put on the Virgin Mary which seemed to be sticking it in Christian eyes.


I wasn't offended by them. However, I did think it was ridiculous to force people that were offended by them to pay for them. I think it is ridiculous for anyone to be offended by almost anything. If you don't like the art don't go see it. However, I do understand taxpayers being upset at having their tax dollars used for something that offends them.


If they had peaceful protests against the newspaper - fine. If they had boycotted the newspaper fine. But boycotting Danish goods because Denmark wouldn't apologise for them I can't condone. And committing violent acts because Denmark wouldn't apologise for them is completely out of line.

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Excuse me, but did you just call Penske a dry testicle? I think I get your points and I'm probably with you on them but, still, I think you could use that Butt Plug. No way is Penske going to censor that shit. Even the infirm board let Temporary Sock go on about the swarthies and the Prophet bagging 9 year olds.

PS - Do not piss off Penske. He might post your ISP on the websites of all those crazy Muslims you're scared of.

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So if an artist that was funded by the NEA depicted Mohammed covered in Shit and displayed it in a museum (like was done with the Christ in piss) do you think that should be allowed to happen? Would the fact that there were riots through out the muslim world effect your decision?

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Nope. Still don't understand the connection in your mind. Were you in favor of the funding and broadcast of those images to stir debate?

Look,-- if you want to hear me say it, I will say it -- "Free speeech if good. Censorship is mostly bad. I don't think folks should riot or kill or destroy property over this>"

My "at best" assumed that the editors really meant what they said, and thought they were sticking up for freedom of speech, with no personal desire to offend anyone.

"At worst"? Well, could be that they hate Muslims, or were just trying to drive up readership, or to make themselves feel important. No higher purpose at all.

Well, God bless'em every one.

So, we should offend them just because they have a large lunatic population. i think not. There is a reason that the U.S. government has been quiet about this shit. We have more important things to do in the world right now, and we need Muslim allies to do it.

I'd have thought that you -- as a confirmed terrorist-hater, would understand that this is not helpful in our ongoing Long War.

S_A_M

Keep weeping, it will be good practice for when the jihadis show up at your door and your begging for your infidel life.

I am one with my Dutch brethren and by my exposure of the dangers of jihad I am exposing our need to safeguard our freedoms. You would give them the keys to the city (and censorship over our media). I give thanks that you are not in charge of anything.

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Like S_A_M, Penske has de remsporen at the thought of Muslims, crazy or otherwise.

How do you know?

I am easy to find. Don't plan to do much begging though, or to need to.

You will still be hiding in your darkened room, behind your anonymous computer screen.

"One with [your] Danish brethren" Ha!

S_A_M

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Yes. I am working on a model of such art now. I just took some ex-lax to gin up a crapper.

Do you know a museum that would show it?



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Well, the upshot of this whole thing is that now there will be some truly funny Prophet cartoons and pics (ones that are at least artistic so they pass muster with S.A.M. and Ty). I can't wait to see the first Prophet Goetse pic. Nice!

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No, Spanky.

I am saying on the one hand that the supposed heroes of free speech who have published the cartoons from the safety of their home countries aren't risking much -- and shouldn't be applauded much for their bravery.

On the other hand, international news organizartions who haev innocent employees in harms way and.or who want to keep operating in Muslim countries have good reason to be circumspect. I would hardly applaud the suit in NY or LA who bravely made the decision that got other folks killed.

Way too broad a statement.

I agree with both your statements. I'm not suggesting that any government should apologize, or ban the publication of such things. I would not aplogize unless some urgent diplomatic necessity required it. I just don't see the re-publication as eing some great blow for freedom.

No, but I know that millions of American christians were mad as hell. I am not offended and saddened by the Mohammed cartoons either -- did you think I was?


I agree.

S_A_M

Right bucko. A number 1 on my list is BUY DANISH. Here's a list of things on my shopping list:

A LIST OF DANISH PRODUCTS
Food:
Arla Foods
Brands
Rosenborg
Lurpak
Dofino
Denmark's Finest
Mediterra

Danish Crown (meat)
Lurmaerket Butter
Danish Bacon
Thor Fish
Danisco Food

Candy:
Toms (chocolate)
LAgermann
Galle & Jessen
Ingeborgs Chocolate

Beverages:
Tuborg Beer
Carlsberg Beer
Aalborg Aquavit (snaps)
Gevalia (Coffees, Teas)

Medicine:
Novo

Audio Equipment/Home Theater
(Theatre for those across the Pond):
B&O (Bang & Olufsen)
Cilo
Eltax
Tangent

Cigarettes:
Prince (Do not start smoking because of this fire!)

Clothings:
H2O
Hummel
Per Reumert

Shoes:
Ecco (USA Site)
Jaco

Toys:
Brio (toys)
Lego (toys)

Danish Design:
B & G Porcelain
Georg Jensen
HTH- kitchen
Morsoe (Fireplaces)
PH-lamps
Pipes
Raadvad (knives etc.)
Royal Copenhagen
Royal Danish Porcelain
Skagen (Watches)
Stelton
Trip Trap
Vesta (Windmills)

Other:
Watco Danish Furniture Oil
Danish Yarn

And if any of the jihadi speech haters want to find me I will be at the Brickskeller tomorrow night. I will be the guy with hat below drinking multiple Carlsbergs~


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