Farm subsidies and the KKK
 

We might not have needed the civil rights act were it not for decades of Southern Democrats subverting the results of the Republican prosecuted Civil War and the intent of 14th and 15th Amendments. Can't have it both ways Sidd, your party is at least as complicit and probably more. Given my choice of low level associations, I'll take the party that once tried to block the civil rights act (with Democratic assistance, Senator Byrd) over the party that tried to perpetuate slavery and has a former Kleagle as its Conscience.

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Because the daughter was actually at the meeting between Senator Moynihan and Hillary Clinton, and Klein was not.

It's pretty clear that Bill was lying to her. She may be owed an apology, but she ought not apologize for having been embarrassed before the whole country.

2 million hail marys and 3 million our fathers
 

did Sneddon not know he was relying on freaks? Did he not know the questionable value of freak testimony? Why can't you admit it was a crappy case. Rich or poor defendant, it was one that should not have been brought.

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he said, she said, she said. The mom was there. Klein says the mom said x. Daughter who claims to have been there (do we have any verification of her presence?) says no, mom never said x and never talked to Klein. One is lying and one is telling the truth. From the facts in front of us, I don't see how one is more or less credible than the other, other than Klien's established journalistic credentials for major respectable news organizations.


She was the self-proclaimed smartest woman in America. A Yale educated attorney, who was so smart she could make 100K in the commodities market with no experience and yet, she could not discern that she was being lied to by her husband and/or that by going on that show she was using whatever credibility she had to bolster his statement and as such she had better be damn sure that what she was so aggressively asserting was correct.

Shocking.

Farm subsidies and the KKK
 

Plessy was decided by decided by six Republican appointees and three Democratic appointees:

Chief Justice Melville Fuller, appointed by Grover Cleveland, a Democrat
Justice Stephen Field, appointed by Lincoln
Justice Horace Gray, appointed by Chester Arthur, a Republican
Justice John Harlan, appointed by Rutherford Hayes, a Republican
Justice David Brewer, appointed by Benjamin Harrison, a Republican
Justice Henry Brown, appointed by Harrison
Justice George Shiras, Jr., appointed by Harrison
Justice Edward White, appointed by Cleveland
Justice Rufus Peckham, appointed by Cleveland

Though Harlan gets mad props for dissenting.

2 million hail marys and 3 million our fathers
 

Because the marginal value of my time is too great for me to have spent any time paying attention to the trial.

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You wouldn't even pretend to believe it if it wasn't about Hillary.

Exactly. People have been writing literature about shocking events like these for, oh, millenia. Put down those Regnery comic books and trying picking up Oedipus Rex, for example.

Farm subsidies and the KKK
 

Having made this post should embarasss you on a few levels. This is the kind I might wake up and edit. WTTW.

Farm subsidies and the KKK
 

Brewer abstained and Harlan dissented. the republicans appointees were only 66% in favour. The dem appointees were 100% there. The Dems have a strong bad seed running through them, no pun intended. Join us on the light side Ty. Red or white?

2 million hail marys and 3 million our fathers
 

I didn't either, I just watch a few minutes (as long as it takes) of Nancy Grace every night (you don't remember my cheese grits sock?).

I just called Senator Feinstein's office to say that if she votes for that, I won't vote for her again.

I could not be more strongly against this and have frequently and vociferously criticised this effort over the last 16 years. I feel like a burning a flag right now, but may just settle for peeing on the Koran I keep in my trash basket.

It is a disaster for the First Amendment, which is a close second to the Second Amendment as the only Amendment that really matters.

Good thing we still gots our guns.

Farm subsidies and the KKK
 

Another fun game to play is looking at which states tended to vote Democrat vs. Republican in the late 1800s. It's a Blue State/Red State flip-flop.

Farm subsidies and the KKK
 

Red, of course.

A GOP-dominated court decided Plessy. Harlan gets his props, but not Brewer, since he did not hear the argument or participate in the decision of the case. Four Republicans were in the majority, and the three Democrats went along. Even if the three Democrats had changed their vote, the Louisiana statute would have been upheld.

Notwithstanding the Second Amendment, my bet is that you won't be able to shoot the flag.

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Wrong-o. I believe Jacko fondled boys and that's a he said-she said too.

nice deflection, I will take that as agreement that she owes us an apology, but I won't hold my breath.

thank god, that should ensure we (I'm on your side here) get her vote.

Back in 86 I voted for Dodd, I think I will call that chit in now.

the Guns of Berkeley
 

When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come, with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?

Farm subsidies and the KKK
 

Half the Sneetches in Sneetch Land had bellies with stars and the rest of the Sneetches had none upon thars.

I'm screwed. I never voted for Hutchison or Cornyn. I may have voted for Boxer once, though. I wonder if she'll take the call.

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Your reading comprehension would improve if you picked up something besides that Regnery crap.

Drop Ty's name.

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For these purposes, I don't give a shit about Helms or Byrd individually. Your statement was that "They [Southern Republicans] weren't doing the lynching, that the Byrds of the world were."

You think so, huh?

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Is that a vinyard? I don't recognize the name but if it makes good wine I may have read the label.

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Honestly, backtracking on the rhetoric, I think racists come in all political stripes. Neither party has the market cornered on ignorance, but if you going to argue that Helms is indicative that the Republican Party is the party of racists I counter with Kleagle Byrd every time (and remember, the Republicans have better funny phottoshoppers than the Dems.)

eta: and Byrd's "apology" is for shit and I can't figure out why anyone would try to defend it. If you are identifying him as the Conscience of your party, you may want to examine its soul.

2 million hail marys and 3 million our fathers
 

This is true, of course. But it's also true that the Republican Party won over the South for a reason. E.g., it was no coincidence that Reagan delivered his first major address in his 1980 campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi.

flag-burning
 

Here's a pretty succinct post about the problem with the amendment:

• What's particularly frustrating by the flag burning amendment is that according to the US Flag Code, the appropriate way to dispose of a flag, as all patriotic Americans know, is to burn it.
  
  Any anti-flag burning legislation would have to be based entirely around intent - was your intent to protest the actions of your government? If so, go to jail. Was your intent to follow the US Flag code? Good for you.

Atrios

flag-burning
 

Succinct, yet stupid. Did you go to law school? Once there is a constitutional amendment the Code becomes unconstitutional.

flag-burning
 

I'm pretty sure it will be easy to discern the difference between someone ceremonially burning a flag in accordance with 4 U.S.C. § 8(k) (" . . . destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.") and someone burning a flag as an act of political protest.

Not to say the act is valid as a first amendment matter, or even wise. But inconsistency with the flag code is not its greatest problem, let alone what at all.

flag-burning
 

Did you fall on your head a lot as a child? The text of the proposed amendment is:

• `The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'

Burning is not necessarily desecration.

eta, in response to Burger:

I thought Atrios was pretty clear. He's not complaining about a potential conflict between the Constitution and the U.S. Code. He's pointing out that the purpose of the amendment is not to punish certain actions (e.g., burning), but to punish certain ideas (e.g., burning a flag in protest against the government, as opposed to burning it pursuant to the code).

circling. Fully.
 

This is truly a slippery slope. If this succeeds I can see it now, the next one will be the Koran Desecration Amendment:

"The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the Koran"

I'll be in deep doo doo. I'm not cut out for prison....unless, I restrict my Koran pissing to Santa Barbera County. Sneddon will never be able to make a winning case with the freaks I surround myself with.

flag-burning
 

Succint, yet stupid. What were your reading comprehension scores again? The Flag Code deals with the proper means of destroying a flag. The Amendment deals with "desecration" of the flag.

In other words, it outlaws not the act itself, but the act and an intent which is not sacred. So, in addition to laying to waste a 200 plus year old tradition of freedom of speech, the proposed Amendment does so in the language of religion.

Were it not so fucking chilling, the irony would be delicious.

eta that it appears that there is a general consensus that your interpretation may have missed the boat. Nice view in that glass house, stupid?

flag-burning
 

I think when you posted, you failed to realize that the poster to whom you replied was not being serious or literal about the substantive content of his or her post, and by treating the post seriously, you have made yourself to appear the fool.

flag-burning
 

Hey! Lo-berry said Shifter was the stupidest. Stand down Wonk!

circling. Fully.
 

Indeed, there's a real danger that the GOP-controlled Congress will pass that next, preventing the brave and hard-working men and women of our armed forces from doing everything in their power to thwart the next terrorist attack on our homeland.

flag-burning
 

Dumbest. Not stupidest, dumbest.

flag-burning
 

I was misinformed.

flag-burning
 

Never speak out against the family, Fredo.

flag-burning
 

No slippery slope of stupidity in lo-berry's world?