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Tyrone Slothrop 06-14-2007 07:35 PM

Hamas/Fatah.
 
Here's some good analysis from the Financial Times.

Spanky 06-15-2007 02:39 PM

Just can't wait to lose.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Clearly there's not an easy or solution to the Kurdistan issue, but a teensy part of me wants to see this happen just to watch the Turks go completely batshit.
Yes - that would be fun to watch.

Spanky 06-15-2007 02:48 PM

Just can't wait to lose.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
We retook Kasserine Pass within a week of losing it, and completely overhauled our strategy and tactics as well as our command structure. Eisenhower had the heads of a number of commanders, and learned very quickly. Within 6 weeks, the new commander, Patton, had reversed the momentum and was mopping up the German presence in Tunisia.

So Bush has now had four years in Iraq, and four months of the surge, and you're complaining that we're not patient. Kasserine Pass indeed.
They haven't even completed the surge and he is already calling it a failure. Couldn't he had at least let them get it set up first before he calls it a failure?

As to Kasserine pass, it was Eisenhower's responsiblity (he was the theater commander) and he was not canned. Bush has put in a new theater commander and the guy hasn't event got all his troops off the boats.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-15-2007 03:25 PM

Just can't wait to lose.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
They haven't even completed the surge and he is already calling it a failure. Couldn't he had at least let them get it set up first before he calls it a failure?

As to Kasserine pass, it was Eisenhower's responsiblity (he was the theater commander) and he was not canned. Bush has put in a new theater commander and the guy hasn't event got all his troops off the boats.
Nice try. But the Kasserine Pass is one of the great historical examples of learning from your mistakes, and the so-called surge, actually a return to pre-election troop levels, is, and from the beginning has been, a PR device and a joke.

We need a reality-based President.

And the troops are indeed off the boat - have you been relying on the White House for your facts again? I love the idea that it takes almost six months to deploy 28,000 troops - everyone seems to have taken the slow boat.

Hank Chinaski 06-15-2007 03:27 PM

Just can't wait to lose.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Nice try. But the Kasserine Pass is one of the great historical examples of learning from your mistakes,
how come D-Day went poorly? What was the Battle of the Bulge?

Gattigap 06-15-2007 06:57 PM

Mike Gravel Films. Playing at Sundance.
 
Mike Gravel does Fellini.

When asked, press spokesman Alex Colvin said, "Where he's coming from is that, it's less about him coming across with a heavy political message in this video, as much as it is the message of the impression the viewer will have, looking at him."

Listen, Alex. I feel your pain. You've gotta have one of the hardest jobs in show business these days, acting a press secretary to a nutball like Mike Gravel. But I've had a weird day, OK? I'm unmotivated, I've got crap to do but no real deadline in which to do it, and my afternoon basketball game, which was supposed to be a fun end to the week, ends up in a yelling match among half of the participants. I don't have time to exert mental energy trying to divine what the hell Mike Gravel is trying to do peering into my soul.

And the rock. WTF is up with the rock? Your candidate is creeping me out.

Gattigap

notcasesensitive 06-16-2007 07:48 AM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Durham DA behind the Duke lacrosse fiasco resigned Friday. He's still a fan of waiting until Friday afternoon to make announcements, I see. What's the current line on whether he'll be disbarred?

notcasesensitive 06-16-2007 08:53 PM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Durham DA behind the Duke lacrosse fiasco resigned Friday. He's still a fan of waiting until Friday afternoon to make announcements, I see. What's the current line on whether he'll be disbarred?
I guess chances of disbarrment are now hovering around 100%. Buh bye.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 06-16-2007 09:36 PM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I guess chances of disbarrment are now hovering around 100%. Buh bye.
Appeals?

I'm a bit surprised . . . I might have thought a suspension for a few years instead.

Then again, this was worse than lying about a blow job.

NotFromHere 06-16-2007 11:37 PM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I guess chances of disbarrment are now hovering around 100%. Buh bye.
Shocking. Who knew the Bar assoc worked on Saturday?

sebastian_dangerfield 06-17-2007 12:20 PM

Civil War
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Looks like there's going to be an all-out civil war in Gaza. Iraq isn't far behind.

Are we seeing the start of an all Arab civil war (fundamentalists v. non) that will spread throughout the middle east? Is that ultimately a good thing (from an academic view, of course, in the sense of getting finality, not for all of the innocent people whose lives will be lost or torn apart)?
No war with fundamantalists can ever be a good thing because by definition their struggle is endless and they don't care about dying. It would be a good thing in that it contrates Arab violence in Arab lands, theoretically keeping them too occupied to attack the West. But other than that, I don't see much good coming out of it.

The world is in a larger war between the informed and the hopelessly regressed and ignorant. That's not ending any time soon. Or at least not as long as madrases keep teaching kids to read that nonsense rag about Muhhamed and people over here keep depabting evolution. I guess the best we can hope for is the fools who believe in the voodoo of the past will put down guns and try to debate. Perhaps we could give bin Laden money to build an Islamic Creationist Museum.

Shape Shifter 06-18-2007 04:04 PM

She Woke Up and Took Me by the Hand
 
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...npaultruck.jpg

fair and balanced 06-18-2007 04:21 PM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I guess chances of disbarrment are now hovering around 100%. Buh bye.
In fair and balanced bipartisanshipness, unfortunately, it should be noted, he was a Democrat.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-18-2007 04:48 PM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by fair and balanced
In fair and balanced bipartisanshipness, unfortunately, it should be noted, he was a Democrat.
This is your best work.

Not Flaming 06-18-2007 04:55 PM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is your best work.

10,001 and counting.......

Tyrone Slothrop 06-18-2007 05:53 PM

This Should Make Burger Happy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Flaming
10,001 and counting.......
So noted.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-18-2007 07:45 PM

More than 18 minutes...
 
Ooopsssie!

Tyrone Slothrop 06-19-2007 10:49 AM

Good news! Iraq ranks ahead of Sudan!

Shape Shifter 06-19-2007 02:53 PM

Lost My Vote
 
I guess now I need to decide between Obama and Edwards.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/song/?splash=1

Replaced_Texan 06-19-2007 03:45 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I guess now I need to decide between Obama and Edwards.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/song/?splash=1
Lord help me, same here. Good leaders show good judgment. This was not good judgment.

Hank Chinaski 06-19-2007 03:49 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I guess now I need to decide between Obama and Edwards.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/song/?splash=1
You were the one who liked Queen right? you wished she'd gone with "Fat bottom Girls?" Too bad the buzzcocks weren't more popular because they had the perfect theme song for Bubba.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-19-2007 03:58 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Too bad the buzzcocks weren't more popular because they had the perfect theme song for Bubba.
  • Ever fallen in love with someone?
    Ever fallen in love?
    In love with someone
    Ever fallen in love? (Love…)
    In love with someone
    You shouldn't've fallen in love with

Tyrone Slothrop 06-19-2007 04:04 PM

No-show Rudy
 
Rudy Giuliani knows what his priorities are:
  • Rudolph Giuliani's membership on an elite Iraq study panel came to an abrupt end last spring after he failed to show up for a single official meeting of the group, causing the panel's top Republican to give him a stark choice: either attend the meetings or quit, several sources said.

    Giuliani left the Iraq Study Group last May after just two months, walking away from a chance to make up for his lack of foreign policy credentials on the top issue in the 2008 race, the Iraq war.

    He cited "previous time commitments" in a letter explaining his decision to quit, and a look at his schedule suggests why -- the sessions at times conflicted with Giuliani's lucrative speaking tour that garnered him $11.4 million in 14 months.

Newsday

Replaced_Texan 06-19-2007 04:05 PM

Dear fucking god
 
Pro-life?????
Quote:

On July 29th, 1994, Paul Hill boldly defended 31 babies from unspeakable violence by killing a paid assassin and his bodyguard. He was arrested, given a sham trial, and executed as a martyr. On the 13th anniversary of Paul Hill’s act of love and mercy, memorial events will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to honor him as God’s man and our hero.
They're doing a reinactment of the murder of a physician and his escort.

Hank Chinaski 06-19-2007 04:07 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
  • Ever fallen in love with someone?
    Ever fallen in love?
    In love with someone
    Ever fallen in love? (Love…)
    In love with someone
    You shouldn't've fallen in love with

damn. ty won one.

389-31

Tyrone Slothrop 06-19-2007 04:11 PM

Dear fucking god
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Pro-life?????They're doing a reinactment of the murder of a physician and his escort.
Do you think it was the physician's use of prostitutes that really pisses off the compelled-pregnancy movement?

Hank Chinaski 06-19-2007 04:22 PM

Dear fucking god
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Do you think it was the physician's use of prostitutes that really pisses off the compelled-pregnancy movement?
the scariest movie I have seen is something like "Army of God", a documentary on the people in this movement generally and Paul's "resistance action."

People talk about heroes- i really think 2 ignored catagories are 1) CEOs who keep manufacturing jobs in the states- when was the last time you saw these guys held up?
2) people working at abortion clinics. every morning and night they drive by people that want them dead.

Secret_Agent_Man 06-19-2007 04:42 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Lord help me, same here. Good leaders show good judgment. This was not good judgment.
The problem is she trusted the people. Democracy is overrated.

S_A_M

LessinSF 06-19-2007 05:54 PM

Failed States Rankings and Me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Good news! Iraq ranks ahead of Sudan!
Full list here - http://www.fundforpeace.org/web/inde...229&Itemid=366

This fall/winter I will be in Nos.

22 - Usbekistan
43 - Turkmenistan
44 - Laos
48 - Cambodia
55 - Indonesia
56 - Philippines
58 - Georgia
62 - Azerbajian
62 - China
79 - Vietnam
86 - Thailand
103 - Kazakhstan
106 - Ukraine
110- India
112- Armenia
120- Malaysia
154 - Germany

What are my odds of survival, kidnap, torture, assault, etc?

The site's map proves that temperature causes failure:

http://www.fundforpeace.org/web/imag...i_map_2007.gif

Tyrone Slothrop 06-19-2007 06:39 PM

Failed States Rankings and Me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
Full list here - http://www.fundforpeace.org/web/inde...229&Itemid=366

This fall/winter I will be in Nos.

22 - Usbekistan
43 - Turkmenistan
44 - Laos
48 - Cambodia
55 - Indonesia
56 - Philippines
58 - Georgia
62 - Azerbajian
62 - China
79 - Vietnam
86 - Thailand
103 - Kazakhstan
106 - Ukraine
110- India
112- Armenia
120- Malaysia
154 - Germany

What are my odds of survival, kidnap, torture, assault, etc?

The site's map proves that temperature causes failure:

http://www.fundforpeace.org/web/imag...i_map_2007.gif
I'm not sure that their concept of stability has much to do with safety for travelers. E.g., I've heard that Iran is a very safe place for tourists, not withstanding recent political events. Whereas South Africa has all sorts of street crime. Yet they say South Africa is more stable. I know people who've visited Laos and Georgia, and I would be much more comfortable in the former than the latter, but that's not their order.

LessinSF 06-19-2007 08:15 PM

Failed States Rankings and Me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm not sure that their concept of stability has much to do with safety for travelers. E.g., I've heard that Iran is a very safe place for tourists, not withstanding recent political events. Whereas South Africa has all sorts of street crime. Yet they say South Africa is more stable. I know people who've visited Laos and Georgia, and I would be much more comfortable in the former than the latter, but that's not their order.
Agreed. I found Cuba felt very safe, and the violent crime statistics say that it is the safest country in all of Latin America. Similarly, I expect North Korea and Usbekistan are safe because they are run by megalomaniac despots, but their analysis is not safety or stability, but whether a state has "failed" whatever that means (and, no, I don't need you to cite me what they say it means).

Gattigap 06-19-2007 08:17 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I guess now I need to decide between Obama and Edwards.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/song/?splash=1
More disturbing is the video that introduces it.

Linky

Why the fuck would Johnny Sack be shilling for Hillary Clinton?

fair and balanced 06-19-2007 08:41 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
More disturbing is the video that introduces it.

Linky

Why the fuck would Johnny Sack be shilling for Hillary Clinton?
There is so much that is disturbing it seems a daunting task to catalogue it all prior to her defeat, but a few thoughts:

1. parallel parking?!?!

2. Does anyone else here notice the irony of a takeoff of the Soprano’s final episode to announce her new song.....a family with lots of corruption, murder, sex, organized crime, etc etc et al........

3. Celine Dion isn’t even an American, she is Canadien, and French-Canadien at that. Her first language isn’t even English!

At the end of the day I am left wondering why they couldn't get the license rights to Highway to Hell?

SlaveNoMore 06-19-2007 09:17 PM

Lost My Vote
 
Quote:

Gattigap
Why the fuck would Johnny Sack be shilling for Hillary Clinton?
To appeal to her two largest constituencies - Hollywood and mobbed-up criminals?

ltl/fb 06-19-2007 09:29 PM

bb
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/...mberg_politics

fair and balanced 06-19-2007 10:07 PM

bb
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/...mberg_politics
He didn't leave the Rs, we left him, in the dusty heap of history!




http://lledgerock.com/rino.jpg

Gattigap 06-20-2007 01:34 AM

Giuliani campaign announcement
 
Dude. We had no idea our SC state campaign chairman was a crack dealer.

Diane_Keaton 06-20-2007 09:20 AM

Rogue Ex Presidents
 
"The United States and Israel decided to punish all the people in Palestine"

Does Carter really picture some evil U.S. empire sitting down around a table, like Doctor Evil and his cohorts in Austin Powers, deciding to "punish" an entire group including women and children? Carter is starting to sound like another international man of mystery:

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...alXXzBCfRRzw-- http://www.blackstrikes.com/resource...vid_duke_2.jpg

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-20-2007 11:03 AM

Those people
 
The INS: your tax dollars at work making the country safe for hypocrisy

Tyrone Slothrop 06-20-2007 11:26 AM

Rogue Ex Presidents
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
"The United States and Israel decided to punish all the people in Palestine"

Does Carter really picture some evil U.S. empire sitting down around a table, like Doctor Evil and his cohorts in Austin Powers, deciding to "punish" an entire group including women and children?
I'm not sure what he was trying to say, but I'm guessing it was something like this:
  • Everyone following the conflict in Gaza knows full well that the reason for the violence is not that Palestinians have not “sorted out their politics” — they’ve made their political preferences abundantly clear in democratic elections, and later in a power-sharing agreement brokered by the Saudis. The problem is that the U.S. and the corrupt and self-serving warlords of Fatah did not accept either the election result or the unity government, and have conspired actively ever since to reverse both by all available means, including starving the Palestinian economy of funds, refusing to hand over power over the Palestinian Authority to the elected government, and arming and training Fatah loyalists to militarily restore their party’s power. Unfortunately, after three days of some of the most savage fighting ever seen in Gaza, that strategy now lies in tatters. Fatah is, quite simply, no longer a credible fighting force in Gaza, where it has long been in decline as a credible political force. . . .

    Back in January, I wrote:

    In the coming weeks, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will cluck regretfully about the violence unfolding in the Palestinian territories as if the chaos in Gaza has as little to do with her as, say, the bizarrely warm winter weather in New York. And much of the U.S. media will concur by covering that violence as if it is part of some inevitable showdown in the preternaturally violent politics of the Palestinians. But any honest assessment will not fail to recognize that the increasingly violent conflict between Hamas and Fatah is not only a by-product of Secretary Rice’s economic siege of the Palestinians; it is the intended consequence of her savage war on the Palestinian people – a campaign of retribution and collective punishment for their audacity to elect leaders other than those deemed appropriate to U.S. agendas. Moreover, the fact that the conflict is now coming to a head is a product of Rice’s micromanagement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’s political strategy – against his own better instincts.

    Rice’s siege strategy was premised on the belief that the economic torture of the entire Palestinian population would either force the Hamas government to chant the catechism of recognizing Israel-renouncing violence-abiding by previous agreements (again, Israeli leaders have to giggle at that one!) — or else, preferably, force the Palestinian electorate to recant the heresy of choosing Hamas as its government in the first place. Frustrated by the failure of this collective punishment to produce the desired results — and mindful of the need to quickly reorder Palestinian politics in order to satisfy the urgent need of the increasingly marginal Arab autocracies that Washington seeks to mobilize against Iran — she has stepped things up a notch, cajoling the hapless Abbas to take steps to toppled a government democratically elected only 11 months ago and beefing up the forces of the Fatah warlords dedicated to taking down Hamas in order to restore their own power of patronage.

    At about the same time, Conflict Forum reported on the aggressive campaign by White House Middle East policy chief Elliot Abrams to provoke a coup by Fatah against Hamas. The U.S. policy was to prevent a Palestinian unity government from forming, and once it was formed, the policy became to topple it. And Robert Malley and Henry Siegman warned that the White House policy failed to reckon with the fact that Fatah had been defeated politically, and would not be able to restore its leadership of the Palestinians through a putsch. Even if his forces could be boosted, they warned, “(they) will remain a far less motivated one (than Hamas), seen by many as doing America’s and Israel’s bidding. In such a contest, success is far from assured, as we should know from Iraq, Lebanon and, indeed, Palestine itself.”

Just guessing.


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