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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Ty said there were lots of psychological things that made more sense, i guess I just thought this treat might have been one of them.

One tip-off that you're wrong is the fact that the guy confessed to be part of a terror plot that he wasn't part of. But you've been ignoring that for hours now, so just keep it up.

Hank Chinaski

10-23-2007 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
One tip-off that you're wrong is the fact that the guy confessed to be part of a terror plot that he wasn't part of. But you've been ignoring that for hours now, so just keep it up.

you can't be this dumb.

he wasn't a bad guy. it was a mistake. are you saying that any valid interrogation technique needs to be 100% accurate? did the guys we did catch who gave us good info not lie at all? i'm sorry, I shouldn't be bothering you with this, which blog "has your proxy" so i can ask it?

Honestly, you are so full of it. I need to stop. bye.

and by the way, if atticus posts and doesn't give me an in to post a eva silverstein post, I'm not replying to him.

Tyrone Slothrop

10-23-2007 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
no. I'm just thin skinned. What if I had said the equivalent of this to you? "This is hard to believe, but a lot of people, even people whose first names are Abdullah, have no good information."

I think she was trying to suggest that the cost-benefit analysis you pro-torture folks seem to keep running involves an overestimate of the benefits and a willful disregard of the costs. But I take your point.

Hank Chinaski

10-23-2007 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think she was trying to suggest that the cost-benefit analysis you pro-torture folks seem to keep running involves an overestimate of the benefits and a willful disregard of the costs. But I take your point.

so "torture" now includes "psychological tricks". got it.

taxwonk

10-23-2007 11:54 PM

We Hold These Truths to be Self-Evident

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
wonk, I love you. you know that. but I've answered this before. summary: if we can't use psychological or physical urging and we can't hand off to rougher countries what can we do? before Ty said there were lots of psychological things that made more sense, i guess I just thought this treat might have been one of them. Maybe Ty is keeping the really good psychological tricks secrets? I understand if that is the case, and I agreed it should be kept secret.

That's why I'm calling a draw. I know we will have to agree to disagree on this, but I truly and firmly believe in my heart that the principles we espouse for ourselves and our citizens apply to all people, under all circumstances, where there is government action.

I don't trust the State to pick and choose. If that means I will die at my doorstep fighting off traitors and infidels, foreign or domestic, so be it. I'm ready to die for what I believe in. Even if it means I lose in the end.

Edited to clarify that I'm not saying we can never use deception or coercion. But I don't think threatening a man's family with torture or death is merely deception or coercion. I think it's over the line.

Tyrone Slothrop

10-23-2007 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
it was a mistake.

Thank you.

TS

1-0

Tyrone Slothrop

10-23-2007 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
so "torture" now includes "psychological tricks". got it.

Do you have any basis for your supposition that it was an empty threat? Even a blog post?

Hank Chinaski

10-23-2007 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Thank you.

TS

1-0

I've learned that Ty is taking steroids. PM me if you want details.

sebastian_dangerfield

10-24-2007 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Via Yglasias, here's the new Terrorist Buster Logo found on the CIA Website:

https://www.cia.gov/news-information...in_preview.jpg

I wonder if the remake will be a Harold Ramis vehicle.

Gattigap

Have you noticed that Harold Ramis has aged into Randy Newman? They compliment each other nicely as opposite poles of the Hollywood hype machine. Ramis is terribly underappreciated and Newman ludicrously overappreciated. At least in terms of awards and such.

I have never been able to stomach more than three minutes of Randy Newman's music, yet he has more Grammies than Bob Dylan.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

10-24-2007 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I have never been able to stomach more than three minutes of Randy Newman's music, yet he has more Grammies than Bob Dylan.

It's small consolation, but most of America only knows him for "Short People."

Atticus Grinch

10-24-2007 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Newman ludicrously overappreciated.

More ludicrously overappreciated than Randy Newman by far:

Lou Reed
Jim Morrison
Iggy Pop
Sonic Youth

ltl/fb

10-24-2007 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
It's small consolation, but most of America only knows him for "Short People."

He did I Love LA too!

Atticus Grinch

10-24-2007 03:32 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
He did I Love LA too!

And The Great Nations of Europe! Let's not forget!

Not Bob

10-24-2007 08:50 AM

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Okay. i counting wins over ty rt and nb on this:

HC

398-21

Dream on Chinaski -- you may have bested Lizard Boy on the blog cite, but you drew at best a draw with The Queen Of All The Lands, and you never laid a glove on me.

http://www.jeanstephengalleries.com/clay-liston.jpg

Not Bob

10-24-2007 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
It's small consolation, but most of America only knows him for "Short People."

I quite like "Louisiana 1927" and "Dixie Flyer." And that classic Charlie Sheen vehicle "Major League" just wouldn't be the same without "Burn On."

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