Freedom on the March
 

Did you get reinvolved in those orgs you had decided were making you kinda weird? Because you are really offensively patronizing today.

Freedom on the March
 

If you want to be able to post such banal shit as "freedom and liberty don't mean anything anymore", then you'd better prepare yourself for replies.

Freedom on the March
 

What's offensively patronizing (to me) is how someone can make a joke like that about people who are trying to free themselves. If I'm supposed to chuckle along with you and laugh at the idiot neocons who support such a thing, well, sorry.

I can't believe that anyone on this board thinks that spreading democracy around the world would be a bad thing. But we probably differ about

- whether Bush is trying to go about it in the right way
- whether Bush is trying to go about it
- whether Syria's FOX-reported withdrawal from Lebanon and other good things that happen in the world have much of anything to do with US policy
- whether continuing repression in many of our closest allies (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc.) has much of anything to do with US policy

The thing that struck me about club's original post that doesn't seem to have struck anyone else is what a non-sequitur it was. Lebanon has been struggling with its government for years. Syria's troops brought stability, if not political freedom, but to suggest that freedom is somehow on the march just because Syrian troops might be leaving just does not follow, any more than to suggest that the departure of our troops from Iraq would usher in a new day of policy liberty and freedom.

Freedom on the March
 

I didn't say that. You are just coming off as weird like you were for a while, and at the (unbelievably welcome) end to that period, you attributed it to being involved with the Moonies or something.

Saddam brough stability to Iraq, and to the entire region as well.

Freedom on the March
 

Man, did you read that wrong.

Freedom on the March
 

You shouldn't read too much into the phrase. My lament is that America has become a country willing to invade anyone we don't like, not the Lebanese desire to improve their lot.

That said, Lebanon is a historical mess and its hard to say who the good guys are.

I am just continually amazed how comfortable we have become with the idea of being an empire.

Freedom on the March
 

Whatever. They mean a lot to me. They don't mean shit to this administration. They are used for marketing purposes and fearmongering. They are a vehicle for this administration to sell us a load of crap. That was my point. They are abused by this administration. Your monkey has turned them into watered-down management-speak.

The founding fathers would be embarrassed.

Will a real republican please stand up?

Baathist to Surrender?
 

I gotta play all the angles I can, hoser.

Freedom on the March
 

"the Moonies" part was meant as a joke. Is the whole stick as attractive as that bit that we can see protruding from your butt?

Whatever. Forget it.

Freedom on the March
 

Well, they've got their own christian v. muslim thing to resolve, for sure. But, Syria's occupation wasn't done for the benefit of Lebanon - it was for Syria's tactical situation vis-a-viz Israel. It's safe to say that Bashar ain't the good guy.

Where does that concept come in in re: Lebanon? So far, it's a Lebanese fight.

Only if you think the invasion of Kuwait represents stability.

I think we all agree that stability is not the only end. If that's your point, OK.

Freedom on the March
 

No, bilmore, you are supposed to share the fear the the neocons sounds like ever other empirialist in history, yet don't seem to realize it. That they actually think they are a benevolent force that is saving the heathens. That they think they can make the world a better place by imposing their power and will on others to show them the way and then everyone will be happy.

That was point one. Point two was that there was nothing good, for the Lebanese, about Syria's occupation, and casting them out will result in more freedom for the Lebanese.