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I said "sounds in equality" because I didn't want to make a stronger statement about equivalence. I should have anticipated that you or someone else here would have put other words in my mouth anyway.

It's odd to me that these folks essentially said, attacks on civilians are wrong wherever they occur, and for this they are attacked for not condemning terrorism strongly enough. WTF?

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Wouldn't internment camps be better? That way we could keep an eye on them. Plus think about how many jobs would be created.

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If this post disappears, it wasn't me.

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Ahh, the stiff upper lip defense. Good show, Old Bean. Maybe we could start by dropping tins of pork and beans over Lebanon? Handing out iPods in Bloomsbury?

Carry on.

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It was the Egyptians, right? Sneaky little bastards.

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Do you agree that a pattern is maybe starting to emerge that these attacks seem to often be by young Islamic men? Can we start with a yes on that?

If we get to a yes above, can you see why "leaders" saying that what the UK government is doing might lead to more attacks could be seen by the nut cases as somehow justifying the next attack?

And Sebby, in the UK these are the "children." These are men born there. McDonalds/disney didn't Westernize them-:(

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Palestine is their fucking pretext to legitimacy. It is a clash of civilizations. Thats why so many moderate Muslims can't criticize their own. They can't admit it, but deeply, perhaps subconsciously, they realize that if "Radical Islam" loses this "war," their faith loses a portion of its identity.

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I believe that is the premise of the open letter we are discussing. Can we start with an agreement that we are both on the third planet orbiting the Sun?

No -- and that is the crux of it. If I say that youths should fasten their seatbelts to avoid fatalities in traffic accidents, it does not mean that I approve of traffic accidents.

Actually, yes: At this point one should reasonably foresee that saying much of anything at all about terrorism will be taken by the nut cases on your side of the political spectrum as somehow justifying attacks on America. Sad but true. Consider it a benchmark of the poverty of conservative ideas.

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Then why do you post, and apparently applaud, lengthy statements from the British press that appear intent on doing exactly that?



I liked the Lord Stevens quote and the Guardian quote. But they are doing just what you say is impossible, foolish, delusional, etc -- they are trying to convince Muslims to stand against terrorists and extremists.

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Not to disagree with what you say, but another reason why so many moderate Muslims can't criticize their own is that they live under oppressive, undemocratic regimes, often supported by the United States, where they may be punished for criticizing their own. In countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, it's much safer to attack Israel or the West.

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WATER. when I do that sort "request for agreement" the point is to show how out to lunch you are.



No. the better analogy would be "if you were to criticize drunk driving accidents by youths, but note that there would be fewer if only the Governement would enforce drinking laws, it does not mean you approve of accidents." but we don't need an analogy. All across the west yesterday people in airports had additional burdens because of crazy Islamic men. anyone who can be perceived as leaders of those men cannot be making a statement that implies at all the actions of these men was understandable.

The steps slave mentions will happen with more attacks- I really can't do much to stop the attacks, but maybe these "leaders" can?

Fuck you.

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There are many Muslims who do not have this excuse -- in places from the US to Turkey to the Philippines, and even in parts of the Arab Middle East -- and sadly few have stood up to criticize their own.

Even the Sunni authoritarian governments, who should have no love for Shiite extremists, are barely heard to criticize Hezbollah, or Shiite violence against Muslim civilians in Iraq.

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I'm at a loss to understand how Members of Parliament "can be perceived as leaders of . . . crazy Islamic men."

Why don't you go fuck yourself? I'm sick and tired of hearing that your political party has a fucking monopoly on this war against terrorism, as if the rest of us don't get it. Your song and dance is lame, and reflects a serious lack of anything serious to say.

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(a) I said I didn't disagree.

(b) This game of "you aren't condemning your bedfellows strongly enough" is so tired. It's tired no matter who's the target. It's about as tired as the "you're being hypocritical" game, a related species.

(c) CAIR -- to take one Muslim group recently attacked on this board for being too close to terrorists, or full of felons, or something -- put out a press release about the UK bombing plots. It starts with a condemnation of acts of terrorism. I don't recall seeing it reported anywhere. If they say the right things, who cares?

(d) If those British MPs had put out an open letter condemning Islamist terrorism in the strongest possible terms, is there any chance at all that anyone who reads this board would have heard about it? I doubt it. (I'm not blaming any of us. We get our news from media. Controversy sells.)

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You laugh. Just wait.