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Tyrone Slothrop 10-25-2007 02:31 PM

BlackH2O
 
Vote for the new Blackwater logo here:

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/1...ater-logo.html

My fave:

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Gattigap 10-25-2007 03:00 PM

BlackH2O
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Vote for the new Blackwater logo here:

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/1...ater-logo.html

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Replaced_Texan 10-25-2007 05:22 PM

Interesting definition:
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Libertarianism is by no means a unified movement. As many of its advocates proudly stress, it comprises a taxonomy of bickering branches—minarchists, objectivists, paleo- and neolibertarians, agorists, et various al.—just like a real social theory. Claiming a lineage with post-Enlightenment classical liberalism, as well as in some cases with the resoundingly portentous blatherings of Ayn Rand, all of its variants are characterized, to differing degrees, by fervent, even cultish, faith in what is quaintly termed the “free” market, and extreme antipathy to that vaguely conceived bogeyman, “the state,” with its regulatory and fiscal powers.

Above all, they recast their most banal avarice—the disinclination to pay tax—as a principled blow for political freedom. Not content with existing offshore tax shelters, multimillionaires and property developers have aspired to build their own. For each such rare project that sees (usually brief) life, there are many unfettered by actual existence, such as Laissez-Faire City, a proposed offshore tax haven inspired by a particularly crass and gung-ho libertarianism, that generated press interest in the mid-’90s only to collapse in infighting and bad blood; or New Utopia, an intended sea-based libertarian micro-nation in the Caribbean that degenerated with breathtaking predictability into nonexistence and scandal.
The rest of the article is pretty cool.

Disclaimer: I like China Mieville's books quite a bit. And he's written quite a bit about "libertarian" floating shelters.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-25-2007 05:25 PM

  • People under the age of 35, maybe even 40, probably don't remember the Aldo Moro crisis. Aldo Moro was a several-times prime minister of Italy who was kidnapped and held hostage by terrorists in 1978. After about 50 days, in which the terrorists alternately interrogated Moro and let him write letters to the outside world begging for his life, he was murdered. Maybe "several-times prime minister" doesn't do his stature justice -- imagine, G-d forbid, that something similar happened to, oh, Bob Dole or Dick Gephardt. An important politician widely recognized as a national leader, taken by terrorists making outrageous demands who could kill him at any moment. Short of an actual nuclear bomb, that's one of the worst things imaginable in a democracy.

    At one point in the crisis, General Dalla Chiesa, the head of the team trying to unravel the kidnapping, was asked permission to torture a Red Brigades sympathizer who was in jail, for information that might free Moro. His response? "Italy can survive the loss of Aldo Moro. It would not survive the introduction of torture."

link

Gattigap 10-25-2007 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
  • People under the age of 35, maybe even 40, probably don't remember the Aldo Moro crisis. Aldo Moro was a several-times prime minister of Italy who was kidnapped and held hostage by terrorists in 1978. After about 50 days, in which the terrorists alternately interrogated Moro and let him write letters to the outside world begging for his life, he was murdered. Maybe "several-times prime minister" doesn't do his stature justice -- imagine, G-d forbid, that something similar happened to, oh, Bob Dole or Dick Gephardt. An important politician widely recognized as a national leader, taken by terrorists making outrageous demands who could kill him at any moment. Short of an actual nuclear bomb, that's one of the worst things imaginable in a democracy.

    At one point in the crisis, General Dalla Chiesa, the head of the team trying to unravel the kidnapping, was asked permission to torture a Red Brigades sympathizer who was in jail, for information that might free Moro. His response? "Italy can survive the loss of Aldo Moro. It would not survive the introduction of torture."

link
Given the relative stability of Italian politics, that's a really good quote that's crushed by its context.

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2007 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Given the relative stability of Italian politics, that's a really good quote that's crushed by its context.
Ty's lack of perspective or actual knowledge is not a fair grounds of response here.

I would just say that the General's response was most likely intended to cover up the fact that the government torture department was on strike.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-25-2007 05:57 PM

Ladies and gentlemen: The worst mayor in America. It would be funny if it weren't true.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-25-2007 05:59 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/68/16...07aeb6.jpg?v=0

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2007 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Ladies and gentlemen: The worst mayor in America. It would be funny if it weren't true.
Please. Read about Kwame Kilpatrick. Is Marion Barry still mayor.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-25-2007 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Please.
Did you read it?

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Read about Kwame Kilpatrick.
Link, please, and I will.

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Is Marion Barry still mayor.
No. And this guy sounds worse.

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Did you read it?
asked and answered.



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Link, please, and I will.



No. And this guy sounds worse.
kwame would be on the other side of most of those doors.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-25-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
asked and answered.
Implicitly, at best, and only with this post.

Replaced_Texan 10-25-2007 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Ladies and gentlemen: The worst mayor in America. It would be funny if it weren't true.
I'd nominate the missing mayor of Atlantic City, but they apparently found him and he resigned shortly thereafter.

Atticus Grinch 10-26-2007 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Ladies and gentlemen: The worst mayor in America. It would be funny if it weren't true.
No, it's equally funny when it's true. Perhaps more so. Trust me when I pronounce the Atticus Grinch Laws of Representative Politicodynamics:*

Rule 1: Government officials you get = government officials you deserve.

Rule 2: There is no Rule 2.


*On the national scale, these are also known as Grinch's Laws of Conservation of Jomentum.

Hank Chinaski 10-26-2007 10:29 AM

I just learned of some terrible news from Africa. how come no one is talking about this?
  • HUMBLY SEEKING FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE PLEASE
    ATTN: Friend,
    My name is as above stated, the wife of Mr. Daniel Khumalo from the
    republic of Zimbabwe. It might be a surprise to you where i got your
    contact address. I got your contact from the South Africa Chamber of
    Commerce in Johannesburg. During the current war against the farmers in
    Zimbabwe from the supporters of our President Robert Mugabe, in his
    effort to chase all the white farmers out of the country, he ordered all the
    white
    farmers to surrender their farms to his party members and his followers.My
    husband, was one of the best and successful farmers in our country and
    formerly the Finance Minister of Robert Mugabe administration, but he
    did not support the idea of dispossessing the white farmers of their land.
    Because of this, his farm was invaded and burnt by government
    supporters.In the course of this shock, my husband died, and the invaders made
    away with a lot of items from my husband’s farm.And our family house was
    utterly destroyed. My husband died out of heart attack. He drew my
    attention to the sum of US$15.5 MILLION, Which he deposited with a security
    company in South Africa during his tenure as the Finance Minister of Zimbabwe.
    My son and I decided to move out of Zimbabwe for our own security,
    because our lives were in danger. We decided to move to the Republic of South
    Africa where my husband deposited this money. Till date, the security
    company is not aware of the content of the consignment because my
    husband used his diplomatic immunity as at that time to deposit the consignment
    as important personal valuables.
    I decided to have contact with overseas person/firm who will assist me
    to move the money out of South Africa. This becomes necessary because as
    political asylum seekers, we are not allowed to own or operate a bank
    account. I want you to immediately confirm your interest in the project
    through my son JAMES KHUMALO on +27-73 99 76551 or email-
    mrskhumalo1@myway.com
    As soon as I get your response, I will give you more details on how we
    can proceed. Thanks and God bless you for your anticipated cooperation. Urgent
    response waited.
    Best regards,

    Mrs.Khumalo


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