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taxwonk

11-11-2005 11:29 AM

frere Jaques, frere Jaques, dormez-vous?

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Originally posted by bilmore
disagree. The whole "Bush lied" bullshit is what's not honorable. Want to re-hash the entire conversation? Go read Podhoretz this week. I don't have the energy to fight the "if we say it enough times, people will believe it" bullshit.

What "Bush lied" bullshit? Bush is representing his economic program as being pro-middle class and it's not. He's claiming to be in favor of cutting waste while keeping in place the safety net and that's not what his budget plan calls for. Even his own party refuses to back him up. And with good reason; they have to run again.

taxwonk

11-11-2005 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
"Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck."

At what point does one logically decide that entering into a coalition with loonies as the only way to advance one's economic views is no longer viable?

Especially given that one's economic views arguably do not include "spending tax money like a drunken sailor"?

I'm pretty sure you answered your own question.

taxwonk

11-11-2005 11:35 AM

Shine On You Crazy Diamond

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Originally posted by bilmore
And, as part two, the problem is, of course, where else to go? While I analogize Bush's unwillingness to veto to be similar to the proverbial drunken sailor, the Dems are, literally, drunken sailors, and would only spend until we were all starving and destitute. So, where's the choice? I can't yet afford my own island nation in the Caribbean. But, at the same time, having to vote for people who answer to other people who seem most interested where my buddy's penis fits in is sort of depressing.

Demand better. Don't contribute to the party, either one. Respond to solicitations with a letter stating you'll be glad to contribute when they start fielding candidates you're proud to vote for. Spend your time and money on individual candidates who represent your ideals, even if you aren't a direct constituent.

Or you could start a blog.

Hank Chinaski

11-11-2005 11:37 AM

Shine On You Crazy Diamond

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Demand better. Don't contribute to the party, either one. Respond to solicitations with a letter stating you'll be glad to contribute when they start fielding candidates you're proud to vote for. Spend your time and money on individual candidates who represent your ideals, even if you aren't a direct constituent.

Or you could start a blog.

Show us you contribution to the Nader campaign '04 and Bilmore and I will find our analog.

Did you just call me Coltrane?

11-11-2005 11:48 AM

Chuck Klosterman on Poltics (from ESPN Page 2)

I like his perspective:

"I am an apolitical person. Absolutely nobody believes me when I say that, but it's true. Every conservative person I know thinks I'm mixing Noam Chomsky's personal Kool-Aid, and every liberal I know seems to assume I want to shampoo Ann Coulter's hair while watching outtakes from "The Passion of the Christ." I have no idea how this happened. For example, I don't have an opinion on abortion. I really, truly do not. You want to have an abortion? Fine; take my car keys, You think abortion is murder? Well, you're probably right. Who knows? Either way, it doesn't have anything to do with me. Do I think George W. Bush is the worst president of my lifetime? Well, of course I do -- but that's not because he's a Republican. It's because he somehow (a) got into Yale, yet (b) claims "the jury is still out" on the theory of evolution.

Everything is situational, and that reality informs how I interpret the world. At least within my mind, it seems as though any people who consciously and consistently perceive themselves as right-leaning or left-leaning are simply admitting that they don't want to think critically about complexity. It always strikes me as staunchly unsophisticated and mildly insane."

taxwonk

11-11-2005 11:50 AM

Honesty

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Originally posted by bilmore
Dan Rather believed that the "right thing" involved facilitating the election of Kerry. So, he proceded to use his influence as a high-ranking member of a national press to make up shit in order to fool people into voting as he wanted them to vote.

I don't think this particular point gets you far.

So does Fox and the WSJ. The press in the US is biased. Many outlets, especially at the national level are liberal. However, there are plenty of conservative papers too. People tend to favor the media outlet that reflects their particular bias and villify the outlets that hold the opposing viewpoint.

That's why I count on Club and NFH for all my news.

taxwonk

11-11-2005 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Thing is, I don't think a guy praying to something who might help save people and people's lives is as bad as a child or privilege going to Public officials who do help him hide the murder of a young girl one drunk driving evening.

Other than seeing that it's a slam on Ted Kennedy, I am having a very hard time understanding this sentence. What are you trying to say here?

taxwonk

11-11-2005 12:01 PM

Shine On You Crazy Diamond

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Show us you contribution to the Nader campaign '04 and Bilmore and I will find our analog.

Nader's a total loon. The only campaign I contributed to in '04 was Obama's. There wasn't anyone else among the Democrats I thought deserved my money and there weren't any non-Democrats.

Hank Chinaski

11-11-2005 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Other than seeing that it's a slam on Ted Kennedy, I am having a very hard time understanding this sentence. What are you trying to say here?

Both begged a high power to achieve a goal. One's attempt was for good at least, the other's was sinister. I would rather be in the party of the goofy one.

taxwonk

11-11-2005 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Both begged a high power to achieve a goal. One's attempt was for good at least, the other's was sinister. I would rather be in the party of the goofy one.

I would rather not identify myself with either party. That way I don't have to defend the buffoons and villains for either side.

sebastian_dangerfield

11-11-2005 12:49 PM

Chuck Klosterman on Poltics (from ESPN Page 2)

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I like his perspective:

"I am an apolitical person. Absolutely nobody believes me when I say that, but it's true. Every conservative person I know thinks I'm mixing Noam Chomsky's personal Kool-Aid, and every liberal I know seems to assume I want to shampoo Ann Coulter's hair while watching outtakes from "The Passion of the Christ." I have no idea how this happened. For example, I don't have an opinion on abortion. I really, truly do not. You want to have an abortion? Fine; take my car keys, You think abortion is murder? Well, you're probably right. Who knows? Either way, it doesn't have anything to do with me. Do I think George W. Bush is the worst president of my lifetime? Well, of course I do -- but that's not because he's a Republican. It's because he somehow (a) got into Yale, yet (b) claims "the jury is still out" on the theory of evolution.

Everything is situational, and that reality informs how I interpret the world. At least within my mind, it seems as though any people who consciously and consistently perceive themselves as right-leaning or left-leaning are simply admitting that they don't want to think critically about complexity. It always strikes me as staunchly unsophisticated and mildly insane."

Sex, Drugs & Cocoa Puffs is a great book. Killing Yourself to Live is not so great.

His Esquire column is always great. Justifies buying the damn rag...

Southern Patriot

11-11-2005 02:16 PM

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Son, the question is, how long do the fine upstanding Christians of America need the likes of you to maintain a majority. We are winning, and will soon be able to rule without the Yankee-phile tools of Wall Street. Ultimately, the Republican Party is and will be about God and Country, and American Values like outlawing abortion, invading Iraq, and teaching our children about morality instead of sexuality. We put with with the so-called economic conservatives, who are really more libertine and libertarian, long enough.

Penske_Account

11-11-2005 02:57 PM

Honesty

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Do you have Hank on ignore?

Yes.

Penske_Account

11-11-2005 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
But I would take him any day over the Unions and the socialists.

2. I am with Spanky. Maybe I should move to California to bolster the electorate by a couple of votes.

Penske_Account