I for one think schools should concentrate on teaching proper spelling- at least of English.

You're the one who brought taxes into this. It's your sense of entitlement that's at issue. You seem to think that you should have the right to demand documents be only in English because you're a taxpayer. But other people who pay taxes but speak another language? Fuck them.

I'm actually in favor of a strong English education in our schools. I think ESL courses are not taught correctly. But this statute doesn't address that. I think that learning a passing level of English should be a requirement for naturalization citizenship (oh wait - it is!). This law doesn't address that, either. Instead, it's almost wholely symbolic.

This is a non-issue. But somebody thinks it's important, and I'm pretty sure those same people (or their kids) are going to be the ones bitching the loudest when Spanish becomes as widely spoken as English in this country.

this is a federal law, not a state law, that is being pushed. I think that your viewpoint is very, very shaped by being in California.

to me, the law seems more symbolic than anything else. symbolic in a nasty, evil way.

Yes.

Spanky, the plural of "country" is "countries." Maybe you need to focus on your own English?

ETA Hank PMed to say he was actually referring to bilENGual. Which actually is an interesting kinda error to have made . . .

You were the first one to mention taxes. You asked if I still expected them to pay taxes even if the documents were not in their language. You are the king of the straw man argument. I never said I thought documents should only be in English because I pay taxes. Where the hell did that come from? It has nothing to do with taxes or my "sense of entitlement". Documents should be in English because that is the language of the nation. And the fact that that is being disputed just helps solidify the argument of why we need the legislation.

Why do you find it so important to focus on who is going to be complaining when Spanish is widely spoken in this country?

The day I start proofreading these posts for grammar and spelling is the day my life has become as pathetic as yours. Hopefully that day won't come any time soon.

2. Although I should remind you that most people have Fringey on ignore. When you quote her posts, you force those people to read her hate diatribes. Let's mind THAT border.

His girlfriend reads the board and she's Mexican and he doesn't mind kissing ass. Like if things had worked out better you, might be posting on some strip club chat board about how Serbian woman are the ideal of beauty and almost never need implants.

"People can speak or learn any language they like, but if they want to interface with anything paid for by tax dollars it has to be English. "

Implicit in this statement is that it is a waste of tax dollars to use anything but English. Implicit in that statement is the idea that only English speakers have a right to have a say in the proper use of tax dollars.

Why?

And I'll remind you that the "we were here first" argument is incorrect, at least with regard to California (and Texas).

My point with the bitching issue is that one must be careful what one demands - the same people who insist that there can only be one language for the govenrment are likely to regret that choice when the future majority of the country decides they were correct about the one language thing,* but decides to change the language.

* As to the correctness of the one language thing in general, I'd point out that many countries have multiple official languages, and for much the same reason (combinations of lands where the populations speak another language - and this is this case here: Spanish is so widely kept in the US because there has always been a large geographically concentrated base of Spanish speakers in certain parts of the country who became citizens without the necessity of learning English - they were there when the territory they lived in became part of the US. Obviously, not all or even most Spanish speakers are decendants of these original settlers, but their presence has created a continuity of community in the Southwest especially, with some migration to oher areas).

Switzerland has four official languages, one of which is spoken by less than 70,000 worldwide.

To.

Tal.

Burn.

If you moved to Mexico not only would you have to learn spanish, you wouldn't be able to get a job.......for reasons beyond your professional shortcomings.

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/14635383.htm

You know, in another forum where I'm having the exact same argument, everyone keeps on bringing up other parts of the world and how they do things as an excuse as to how we should do hings.

We, in the United States, are better than everywhere else in the whole wide world. We don't need to look anywhere else, because we've done just fine for 230 years figuring this stuff out on our own.

The fucking French have a complex over the fact that theirs isn't the lingua franca anymore. Is theirs the culture you really want to emulate?

Does it surprise anyone that this guy was from New Orleans?

Isn't that a topic for a different Board?

:drool:

S_A_M

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Hertzberg writing on the crackpot letter from Iran and the opportunity it would have presented to an administration capable of articulating what it is that makes us different from the mullahs.

Full text.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

So now that OBL has exonerated Mousawwi(sp) do you think we should let him go?

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

I think it's analogous to the Graham Sankey confession scenario. Sankey should go to Bulgaria, OBL should come here and testify.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Not the same- everyone agrees a UK football fan shoould be subject to indefinite incarceration- surely he's guilty of something. but you feel the same should not be true for terrrorists Jihadis.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Yeah, they should all be turned loose immediately and given one meelyon dollars and tenured jobs teaching pre-school.

This is poor, even for you - maybe you should have posted this with your Wank McBumsky sock? It's a good thing the quality czar never ever looks at this board.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

i don't sock.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Not the same- everyone agrees a UK football fan shoould be subject to indefinite incarceration- surely he's guilty of something. but you feel the same should not be true for terrrorists Jihadis.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

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:eek: :( :rolleyes: :)

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

I come over here for the first time in, like, forever to see what is going on with the Wank McBumsky Newber, and I see that you are still talking about me. I have to admit that I am a bit flattered, although I find it a bit creepy.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

i think it's just Ironsped. and if you read his posts more regularly I think you'd come to realize the thoughts and images conveyed by almost all his posts are kind of creepy.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Whats creepy about Ironsped is even worse that he cited my name before i even posted, like he can see the future. , but not in a good way. today Hil was on the news and they asked her about her presidential campaign, and she said "the future is what the future is." she doesnt' know Weed.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Hay muchos calcetines aquí hoy. Más que generalmente.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Los calcetines se parecen sucios y llenos de agujeros.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

Whats creepy is Ty@50 PMd me last week and said that when Jeb Bush becomes president he makes spanish the official language of los estados unidos. it seems again fututre is now on this board.

It's a war of ideas. Oh, fuck.
 

i am unclear on what you are saying. what translation page do you use?

But The Economy is Still Bad
 

• WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy shot forward at an upwardly revised 5.3 percent annual rate in the first quarter, the fastest growth in 2-1/2 years, as companies built up inventories and exports strengthened, a Commerce Department report on Thursday showed.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...src=rss&rpc=23

No longer an "allegedly bad" Lay.
 

Lay and Skilling convicted.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12968481/?GT1=8199

But The Economy is Still Bad
 

I found a new avatar for you. Maybe you could name it "ALL IS WEELLLLL!!"

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But The Economy is Still Bad
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
keep in mind that this is all without support from Clinton's contrived tech bubble.

For debate: Clinton's creation of a false economy through the tech bubble cost middle class investors far more of their savings than anything done by Skilling and Lay.

This freaks me out.

But The Economy is Still Bad
 

I have too little knowledge to engage. Perhaps I'll leave it to the good folks who used to work at Enron, the rank and file employees who had to fill their 401(k)s up with Enron stock, then were frozen out of their accounts and couldn't sell until the stock was worth next to nothing*, to discuss it with you.

Here's a better one - Hillary's torture and murder of Vince Foster scared so many middle class investors that they couldn't pay attention and missed all the signs that they should sell out of the bubble, and that cost them far more of their savings than high gas prices, the falling dollar, or tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of Americans coupled with rising health care costs.

*It goes without saying that Lay and Skilling were exempted from this and could therefore dump their stock holdings while it was still worth something. If you don't believe me, rent "The Smartest Guys in the Room". I can't wait til those guys are prison rec yard love dolls.

Thanks, I've been looking for a new sig line for a while.

GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!!!!
 

But The Economy is Still Bad
 

You approve of rape as a punishment for crimes? Nice.

Hypo- in Islamic republics where they rape female prisioner as part of their torture- do you approve? assume the crime was very bad

But The Economy is Still Bad
 

Don't answer, SHP. State Secrets Privilege, ya know.

But The Economy is Still Bad
 

Not so fast. Those who penetrate - sorry, perpetrate such acts should be tried in a court of law with competent counsel and full due process, as S&L were, and if convicted, punished to the fullest extent of the law consistent with the limitations set forth by the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America (We Stand as One! (Fuck Yeah!)). Thanks for playing, though.

Torture was only mentioned in the context of l'affaire de Vincent Foster, not in the Enron case, so your hypo is inapposite. But again, I deeply appreciate your thoughtful contributions and look forward to our future correspondences.