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ironweed
If a political party announces that, if its representatives are elected, it will impose harsh punishments for certain crimes and undertake various policy measures designed to promote a specific religion, and they are elected in a free and fair election, and they impose those punishments and undertake those measures, am I not living in a democracy?

What if the moment those elected in immediately decide to deny half the population - say all women - of not only the right to vote, but the ability to drive and to read.

It may still be a "democracy" - but it sure isnt what (I think) you deem a "Democracy"

SlaveNoMore

11-06-2007 01:27 PM

Time to take a stand.

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Gattigap
You would be living in an illiberal democracy. Oddly enough, when Slave hungers for "democracy," he longs for a liberal democracy. The terminology may be painful to consider, but there you are.

Actually, Slave hungers* for a "liberal Democracy" and not a "Liberal democracy"

*that, and an Egg McMuffin

Tyrone Slothrop

11-06-2007 01:33 PM

"Paulmentum."

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I am not yet sure I like her, but it doesn't matter.

I don't like the way she campaigns. I haven't figured out yet whether this is a good indication of how she would govern.

Gattigap

11-06-2007 01:36 PM

Time to take a stand.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually, Slave hungers* for a "liberal Democracy" and not a "Liberal democracy"

"Making the world safe for small "l" liberal democracy."

I dunno. I think it'll be a hard sell in the heartland.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-06-2007 02:11 PM

Time to take a stand.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What if the moment those elected in immediately decide to deny half the population - say all women - of not only the right to vote, but the ability to drive and to read.

It may still be a "democracy" - but it sure isnt what (I think) you deem a "Democracy"

So the U.S. was not a democracy until 1920?

SlaveNoMore

11-06-2007 03:23 PM

"Paulmentum."

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Tyrone Slothrop
I don't like the way she campaigns. I haven't figured out yet whether this is a good indication of how she would govern.

I believe your people are lining up behind Ron Paul.

SlaveNoMore

11-06-2007 03:24 PM

Time to take a stand.

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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So the U.S. was not a democracy until 1920?

Some blacks in the South would say not until the 60's.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-06-2007 04:27 PM

"Paulmentum."

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I believe your people are lining up behind Ron Paul.

Who are my people?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

11-06-2007 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Some blacks in the South would say not until the 60's.

But no one else?

taxwonk

11-06-2007 04:53 PM

Time to take a stand.

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Originally posted by ironweed
It's making me a bit uncomfortable, actually. Can you take a couple of steps back? Thanks.

But seriously, no one else finds the story of an independent Supreme Court asserting its constitutional powers in the face of an executive bent on subverting the law, with the members of the bar protesting non-violently in the streets in support the least bit compelling? To me it seems like a fascinating sort of alternative reality.

I've never been a fan of the little opportunistic fuck. But right now, I'm finding that there are far more places that cry out for intervention than there are peole to intervene. It's all rather immobilizing, to be honest.

taxwonk

11-06-2007 04:57 PM

Time to take a stand.

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So the U.S. was not a democracy until 1920?

This is a topic that is subject to a wide range of debate.

Spanky

11-06-2007 10:03 PM

"Paulmentum."

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You keep saying this, but the Democrats are doing nothing in the public eye but shooting themselves in the foot.

See today's impeachment resolution by Dennis "UFO" Kucinich as Exhibit A.

Have you looked at the Presidents approval ratings recently. And by the way, Congressonal approval ratings have nothing to do with the presidential race. Low approval of a Democrat congress does not mena that will bleed over to the Dem candidate for President. Congress almost always has a low approval rating.

Unless the occupation takes a dramatic turn for the better, our candidate does not have a shot.

Spanky

11-06-2007 10:06 PM

Time to take a stand.

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Originally posted by ironweed
If a political party announces that, if its representatives are elected, it will impose harsh punishments for certain crimes and undertake various policy measures designed to promote a specific religion, and they are elected in a free and fair election, and they impose those punishments and undertake those measures, am I not living in a democracy?

No you are not. Democracies can vote themselves out of existence like the Germans did with the Nazis.

LessinSF

11-06-2007 10:08 PM

"Paulmentum."

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I believe your people are lining up behind Ron Paul.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071106/..._fundraising_7

Hank Chinaski

11-06-2007 10:10 PM

"Paulmentum."

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Originally posted by Spanky
Have you looked at the Presidents approval ratings recently. And by the way, Congressonal approval ratings have nothing to do with the presidential race. Low approval of a Democrat congress does not mena that will bleed over to the Dem candidate for President. Congress almost always has a low approval rating.

Unless the occupation takes a dramatic turn for the better, our candidate does not have a shot.

As the election approaches the head choppers will kick up in Iraq and Iran. They know a Dem president is the best bet for the jihadis, don't you remember Osama coming out and saying if Kerry wins thing will be better for us?

Based upon your prediction, and Ty's arguments that Bush has over ruled the constitution anyway, I today signed an email to the President for the proposition that I am a lawyer, and I want him to enact martial law rather than turn this country over to the appeasers.

god bless these untied states!

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