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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Look at him. Do you think it's a kink? Or the fact that a guy with his looks is getting some play only through major deception of innocents too unaware to figure out the ploy?

You and Ty are scaring me.

Replaced_Texan

11-07-2007 05:30 PM

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I think he probably gets off on playing doctor and that's a kink. Given the age and vulnerability of the people he plays doctor with, it's not a particularly harmless kink.

And I think that there are deviants, perverts, people who can't keep their pants zipped on both sides of the aisle, but Republicans, especially religious or conservative Republicans, are more exciting in sex scandals because they're the "values" party, so the R next to the perp's name gives off an aura of hypocracy on top of the general "oooh sex!" media hype.

Hank Chinaski

11-07-2007 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I think he probably gets off on playing doctor and that's a kink. Given the age and vulnerability of the people he plays doctor with, it's not a particularly harmless kink.

And I think that there are deviants, perverts, people who can't keep their pants zipped on both sides of the aisle, but Republicans, especially religious or conservative Republicans, are more exciting in sex scandals because they're the "values" party, so the R next to the perp's name gives off an aura of hypocracy on top of the general "oooh sex!" media hype.

i think burger wanted affirmation that if you aren't very good looking it's okay to lie and deceive to get some sexual contact. after all, at the root, we are a support group.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-07-2007 05:46 PM

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Generally, yes, I agree with all this, but I'm not sure it's the full answer. There have just been so many Republican sex scandals in the last couple of years.

Is it all the repressed and self-righteous "Christians" seeing that pent-up sexual energy get twisted up inside? Is it the media zooming in because it's better press? I don't know. But anyone who thinks there is anything "normal" about a 49 year old married guy molesting his foster daughters, his daughters friends, and any other innocent teenager he can find lives in a world I want no part of.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2007 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Wanting to do gyno-type exams on women/girls significantly younger, when he's kind of a father figure, is not an entirely harmless kink. Late 40s with 16-y-os?

Harmless? No. Healthy? No. Deviant? I wouldn't use that word, either.

SlaveNoMore

11-07-2007 05:51 PM

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[i]Is it all the repressed and self-righteous "Christians" seeing that pent-up sexual energy get twisted up inside? Is it the media zooming in because it's better press? I don't know.

If a Dem gets caught in a sex scandal, it gains no traction whatsoever.

Hell - as Clinton and McGreevey have proved - Dems prefer to be tarnished with a "sex" scandal than with fraud.

ltl/fb

11-07-2007 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Harmless? No. Healthy? No. Deviant? I wouldn't use that word, either.

The doing it with daughter figures may, to me, push it over the line to deviant. Incest qualifies as deviancy, and I think that, even like, step-brothers and step-sisters should really think carefully and be adults before getting it on. Sorry, Cher and Josh.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-07-2007 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Harmless? No. Healthy? No. Deviant? I wouldn't use that word, either.

Did you guys end up getting that au pair? How is that working out?

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
The doing it with daughter figures may, to me, push it over the line to deviant. Incest qualifies as deviancy, and I think that, even like, step-brothers and step-sisters should really think carefully and be adults before getting it on.

I agree with that, but in the situations I'm familiar with no one confuses foster kids for natural children, or even step-kids. What the guy did was totally wrong, no question, but I don't think it was "deviant."

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Did you guys end up getting that au pair? How is that working out?

I am not sure what you're referring to, so: no. If we did have an au pair, I wouldn't be banging her. Or him. But if I were, I don't think that would be deviant, either.

ltl/fb

11-07-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I agree with that, but in the situations I'm familiar with no one confuses foster kids for natural children, or even step-kids. What the guy did was totally wrong, no question, but I don't think it was "deviant."

We can agree to disagree. They're distinguishable, but not so distinguishable to make it not a parent-child type of relationship. And he was deceiving them; under the circumstances presented, the girls were not consenting to sexual play. It's one thing for me to play gynecological patient with the noir boys, and another for me to undergo what I really think is a medical-type exam, but is not. That's at a minimum predatory, and maybe sexual assault, and to me predation and sexual assault are deviant. If he just fantasized about it, it might be different.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2007 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
We can agree to disagree. They're distinguishable, but not so distinguishable to make it not a parent-child type of relationship. And he was deceiving them; under the circumstances presented, the girls were not consenting to sexual play. It's one thing for me to play gynecological patient with the noir boys, and another for me to undergo what I really think is a medical-type exam, but is not. That's at a minimum predatory, and maybe sexual assault, and to me predation and sexual assault are deviant. If he just fantasized about it, it might be different.

I agree that the conduct you describe is deviant, but I don't think I'd refer to the person who does it as a "sexual deviant," which is how the conversation started. However, the more we parse the word, the less strongly I feel about it. Maybe whatever sexual urge the guy felt is not "deviant," but his conduct was.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

11-07-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If a Dem gets caught in a sex scandal, it gains no traction whatsoever.

How's your mayor doing these days? Reelected, right?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-07-2007 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I agree that the conduct you describe is deviant, but I don't think I'd refer to the person who does it as a "sexual deviant" ....

Ty, please.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

11-07-2007 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Ty, please.

Would you call a rapist "deviant"?

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