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Dude, you don't need more substance. You just got whacked on that one, but you don't want to admit it. Spanky's right. You can't claim the state or loacl govt was less responsible than the fed for the mess in NO. You can't even try to make that argument with a straight face.

I don't care what parsing of blog wisdom you offer me. Or what investigative journalism the web may cough up to support such an absurd argument.

The simple fact is, the state and city had a primary obligation to care for thier poor. They fucked up. Even if the feds promised from the first time this hurricane was seen on radar to take over all evacuations/safety plans, the city and local authorities still had an obligation to ensure their citizens' safety. Responsibility stems outward from ground zero. The feds fucked up - no doubt. But they were the final fuck up in a long line of fuck ups here.

Now, maybe you don't want to hear that, because it takes away a wonderful bully pulpit you can use to batter Bush, but its true. The city and state can't abrogate thier duties here and then cry "its all the fed's fault." Thats just absurd, and you know it. This debate is idiotic.

Unbelievable bias pretending to be fair and balanced.
 

Look Spanky, kiss my ass. You say the busses were all over the news -- I just said I haven't seen much of the news lately, and have asked about seventeen times for a cite to a story. As I said before, I'm asking because I want to know.

I start with a presumption that the New Orleans municipal government is incompetent. I remain willing to confirm that bias. Maybe you don't know this Penske fellow well enough, but I will never take any picture he posts on this board as proof of anything except his psychological problems.

I have no trouble believing that the state government fucked up, too, though I still don't understand what else they should have done to make a difference.

As I said earlier, the thing that bothers me about this parade of conservatives stomping on Nagin and Blanco is that you all are so self-evidently doing to spare Bush et al. the political damage. They can all share the blame.

Your hostility is to piss me off. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? You keep accusing me of meaning the opposite of what I say, which means either that you are calling me a liar or that you are not bothering to read my posts. I can deal with the former, but for the love of God promise me that you will always read me posts. Without that, all is lost.

Here's an article that's not bad: AP, Saturday, Sept. 3

Read this article and see if you can identify any competant player. Blanco is accepting National Guard help from New Mexico before the Hurricane hits, but not getting back to Michigan until days after the storm. Washington isn't getting the paperwork out to process Blanco's requests until Thursday after the storm. Bush isn't taking steps he took after 9/11 to bring in military, national guard, and civilian airline assistance.

Enough. It's all NUTS. I'm back to my nuts.

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Responsibility -

1/3 citizens
1/3 state/local
1/3 fed

Can everybody agree on this and move on?

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The dems have their heads in the sand. Ty and Gatti are so full of shit on this as to attempt to pretend that obvious photo parodies, with markers like strangecosmos.com or sacredcowburgers.com, which are sites that anyone can go to, confuse them as to whether an actual picture of buses in NO underwater are what they obviously are. The bias reeks like fresh cowshite.

Here is a site to the louisiana emergency plan:

http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans...pplement1a.pdf
Go to page 13, read paragraph 5. It states:

5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.

Here are the buses. The pics have been on CNN and Fox to name a few.



http://home.mchsi.com/%7Eidkfa/bus1.jpg

http://home.mchsi.com/%7Eidkfa/bus2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~wageslave927/naginbuses.jpg

I can't get on the mercury news, but I was reading the LOndon Telgraph earlier today as I am a multiculturalist, and lo and behold respected columnist Mark Steyn was writing about them:

Mark Steyn was writing about them:

[i]Consider the signature image of the flood: an aerial shot of 255 school buses neatly parked at one city lot, their fuel tanks leaking gasoline into the urban lake. An enterprising blogger, Bryan Preston, worked out that each bus had 66 seats, which meant that the vehicles at just that one lot could have ferried out 16,830 people. Instead of entrusting its most vulnerable citizens to the gang-infested faecal hell of the Superdome, New Orleans had more than enough municipal transport on hand to have got almost everyone out in a couple of runs last Sunday.

[coplor=red]Why didn't they? Well, the mayor didn't give the order. [/color]

In contrast to all of the above, for comparison, here's a photoshopppe satire. Ty and Gatti are pathetic in their blind liberalism to say the below makes the above confusing. BUt such is the legacy of Clinton and the politics of personal destruction.

http://home.comcast.net/~phildragoo/...6/site1564.jpg

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If I ever start to say something like that, I'll let you know first so you can accuse me of changing my tune. I don't see anyone in the government who's done a good job, so far as I know.

I'm sorry, I don't recall quoting a blog here about any of this. A U.S. Senator, some major newspapers, yes. The Department of Homeland Security's website, yes. Maybe I posted linked to something from a blog about the hurricane, too, but I don't recall it just now.

Leaving the city aside, since I get the thing about the buses and about how Nagin was supposed to go door-to-door to persuade 100,000 people to leave their homes to get on a school bus to go who knows where without any money instead of riding out the storm the way so many people do, and we can just stipulate to the incompetence of the municipal government, would you please tell me what Blanco was supposed to do that she didn't do? After hours of this, I'm still willing to believe that she fucked up somehow, if only someone will tell me how. (I will not hold responsible for failing to clone the several thousands members of the Louisiana National Guard, or for not requisitioning boats and helicopters in the hours before the hurricane struck.)

Tomorrow's newspapers today
 

Bill White, by all indications, is a Democrat. How, so far, has he fucked up?

Unbelievable bias pretending to be fair and balanced.
 

Translation: MY head is in the sand of denial.

In the midst of so much human suffering, to call aerial photos of buses the "signature image" of this disaster is truly twisted and wrong. Anyone who could think that has their head lodged far up their ass.

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Unbelievable bias pretending to be fair and balanced.
 

Translation: My head is in the sand of denial so I will engage in the politics of personal destruction to shift the focus away from the truth that hurts my head. LOOK OVER THERE!!!!!

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Give it a rest. I have been barely watching the news and the Buses have been in my face since the weekend. You say you havaen't been watching the news yet you are able to cite all these articles showing federal screw ups. To miss the buses you would have had to ignore every news stattion and every major paper. However, I guess this shows you just get all your information from Blogs.

You say this now - but you have not. If you really started with that assumnption you should be asking for evidence that they are not responsbile. Not the other way around.

These two sentences contradict eachother. Can you really deny that they could have not been better prepared.

This is an ideological response. You believe some people are distorting reality so you fight fire with fire. This also contradicts your earlier statement of not defending Nagin and Blanco. Now you admit to defending them to counter the slander coming from the conservatives.

I read your posts very carefully. Usually I take the time to directly quote them. So to claim I am misinterpreting them is a joke. In fact one of my recent posts just compared two of your posts. I didn't even need to point out the contradiction it is so obvious. I just find you annoying because you change your story. You try and pretend you said things you didn't say instead of admitting you are wrong. And then when I point it out the contradiction you say that I am misinterpreting your posts.

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I'm onboard. A beautiful illustration of the necessity of basic self reliance - 'cause you sure as shit can't rely on any of those other assholes.

Translation: I am still in denial.

Me: After reading that post that is all you can come up with? Pathetic. Come on Ty, put aside the bias for a second. And as for the substance of Steyn's comment, he is right. That picture is illustrative of why people died in such large numbers, i.e. Nagins incompetence before the hurricane even hit. Despite the plan, which I posted, which cited the buses. Please pull your head out of the sand Ty, you are better than this.

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OK, from one of my favorite blogs quoting another of them (hi Sebby!), quoting a newspaper, here's something that suggests wild incompetence on the part of the municipal officials in New Orleans:

Crooked Timber (which links to other stuff on city, state and federal preparedness, none of which I've read)