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Spanky 02-17-2006 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by LessinSF
I won't defend Coulter generally, but let's examine what Spanky takes issue with:

The "offense to Islam" ruse is merely an excuse for Muslims to revert to their default mode: rioting and setting things on fire. These people have a serious anger management problem.

If we put the word "many" before "Muslims," is this really disputable?

There are 1 Billion Muslims in this world and how many were involved in riots? Less than 1/10 of one percent? Even less than that? Are Christian always upset? Pat Roberstson and his millions of followers are always mad about something, but they don't represent the 85 percent of Americans who are Christian. If they are upset can you say many Christians are upset.? It is OK to say Fundamentalist Christians are often upset but not Christians in general for when Pat is perturbed. I think if she called them Fundamentalist, or Extremist Muslims, it would have been better, but to include all Muslims is way off the reservation.

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Originally posted by LessinSF So it's not exactly a scoop that Muslims are engaging in violence. A front-page story would be "Offended Muslims Remain Calm."

Same.
In almost every incident, haven't the overwheliming majority of Offended Muslim remained calm? 1/10 of one percent of the Muslims in this world equals one million people. When was the last time a million muslims rioted about anything?




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Originally posted by LessinSF
Bombing Syria back to the stone age .

Indefensible, unless viewed as hyperbole and general call to arms against Syria, which is completely understandable.
You were right until you added words after Indefensible.

Jihad monkey talks tough; jihad monkey takes the consequences. Sorry, I realize that's offensive. How about "camel jockey"? What? Now what'd I say? Boy, you tent merchants sure are touchy. Grow up, would you?

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I don't even understand why she thinks "jihad monkey" is offensive. I could attach any so-called offensive word to "jihad" and it would not be nearly as offensive as the idea of "jihad," i.e. holy war, i.e killing over a religious idea. I would almost sanction the assassination of any so-called religious leader who calls for a "jihad." One could view it as unprotected speech because it incites to riot or is hate speech. Calling anyone who calls for "jihad" a "tent merchant" pales in comparison.
Jihad is a lot like Crusade. Christians go on Crusades all the time that are not violent. Just as Muslims go on Jihads all the time (like feeding the poor in a certain neighborhood) that are not violent.

A Jihad that calls for killing or violence is way out of line. But most Jihads are positive things as far as social policy is concerned.

The use of Camel Jocky is indefensible in a political column. Ok on Comedy Central, not OK on CNN.

original Hank@judged.com 02-17-2006 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky


The use of Camel Jocky is indefensible in a political column. Ok on Comedy Central, not OK on CNN.
How about in sports colum about camel racing? ESPN? Al Jazeera-Sports?

Tyrone Slothrop 02-18-2006 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by original Hank@judged.com
How about in sports colum about camel racing? ESPN? Al Jazeera-Sports?
Only if there are people riding the camels.

taxwonk 02-18-2006 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Fair point, but I find MM far more sleazy (probably because he's more effective).
Or is it just that you disagree with him?

original Hank@judged.com 02-18-2006 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Only if there are people riding the camels.
You do realize that in reality "camel jockeys" who ride camels are non-Muslim children "purchased" by rich Muslim shiekhs and used for entertainment purposes at the weekly camel races. Once they outgrow the desired child sizing they are discarded. They probably don't talk about this human right tragedy in your blogland what with the focus on important topics,like Cheney's huntng accidnt.

does your desire to suppress this word indicate a cover-up of the arabs crimes of slavery?

original Hank@judged.com 02-18-2006 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Or is it just that you disagree with him?
MM could not be a camel jockey,too heavy. Coulter could at least make the weight requirements. She gets a point for that.

sgtclub 02-18-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Or is it just that you disagree with him?

I don't think so. I find it incredibly sleazy to bill propoganda as a "documentary." Coulter schtick is clearly opinion. She does not pretend to be objective.

taxwonk 02-18-2006 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't think so. I find it incredibly sleazy to bill propoganda as a "documentary." Coulter schtick is clearly opinion. She does not pretend to be objective.
You're right. That's far more offensive than calling Arabs "camel-jockeys." I take it all back.

original Hank@judged.com 02-19-2006 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
You're right. That's far more offensive than calling Arabs "camel-jockeys." I take it all back.
would the victims of September 11 find defending slave traders who finance terrorism or the rotund documentarian who glorifies them the most offensive?

taxwonk 02-19-2006 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by original Hank@judged.com
would the victims of September 11 find defending slave traders who finance terrorism or the rotund documentarian who glorifies them the most offensive?
If you can't see the distinction between a few individuals and the entire body of the world's largest religion then you really ought to stick to more basic concepts.

For instance, fire: Good or Bad?

Hank Chinaski 02-19-2006 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
If you can't see the distinction between a few individuals and the entire body of the world's largest religion then you really ought to stick to more basic concepts.

For instance, fire: Good or Bad?
A few? So if you ever said you ate a "few" potato chips, what you mean is "hundreds of thousands."

taxwonk 02-19-2006 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
A few? So if you ever said you ate a "few" potato chips, what you mean is "hundreds of thousands."
Well, it's nowhere near hundreds of thousands, more like a few thousand. And on a planet where the population is measured in billions, the majority of whom are muslim, then even tens of thousands is, relatively, a few.

But all that is irrelevant. Gross generalizations, especially when inflamed by a passion that overwhelms common sense and intellect, is wrong. For instance, it would be just a wrong to say that "wife-beater" = "Dago-T" because, well, you know how the Italians are.

Hank Chinaski 02-19-2006 09:00 PM

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Well, it's nowhere near hundreds of thousands, more like a few thousand.
20000 trained in Afghanistan while clinton was doing "everything he could do" to fight terrorism. And Ty's blogs say that the Iraq insurgancy is 20-30000. We get to rely on blog cites too TW. Judicial estoppel and shit.

taxwonk 02-19-2006 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
20000 trained in Afghanistan while clinton was doing "everything he could do" to fight terrorism. And Ty's blogs say that the Iraq insurgancy is 20-30000. We get to rely on blog cites too TW. Judicial estoppel and shit.
I'll give you 50,000. Against over a billion muslims. You win. Except for the part where you can't explain away tarring an entire group based solely on the fact that they share a common religion. But maybe you can blame that on the Jews.

Hank Chinaski 02-19-2006 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I'll give you 50,000. Against over a billion muslims. You win. Except for the part where you can't explain away tarring an entire group based solely on the fact that they share a common religion. But maybe you can blame that on the Jews.
huh?

I live in the city with the largest Arab population outside the mideast. I ain't got problems with the "whole group." To the contrary.

Your fight was wheter Ann Coultour's hate-speech was worse than Mikey's "documentaries." I can't defend her explitives. But that is one ignorant person making one ignorant statement that everyone knows is opinion. Racism will always be there Wonk- ain't going away.

Compare to Mikey or Rather who make shit up from whole cloth, style it as fact and try and change elections? Shoot, you say Bush was evil because he had lawyers opposing the Dems efforts to guess what a vote meant when there was a hanging chad. Ain't no need to guess what Mike and Danny wanted to do- fool the public by lying. Much worse.


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