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Tyrone Slothrop 11-20-2007 10:54 AM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Love his scrappy looks and fuck-you attitude (he hates Bush but so do 3/4 of my friends), but would someone please explain to me how it's cool that Penn, an American enjoying life as one in San Fran (or somewhere near there) approves of, visits, gets chummy with whatever, someone just quoted as saying "God willing, with the fall of the dollar, the deviant U.S. imperialism will fall as soon as possible, too." (Chavez after a 2 hour meeting with Ahmadinejad - I guess that explains the "God Willing" stuff). Presumably Penn doesn't think only "U.S. imperialist parts of the country" will fall and the others will remain intact, so why is he running amok being interviewed and saying how swell Chavez is and how awesome the Argentinian Constitution is (which he claims to have read 3 times and hearts). I guess it's okay for Americans to support international leaders set on economically collapsing America. Or is it?
Not having read anything but what's above, is it possible that Penn was hoping for the end of American imperialism rather than the end of America? The word "deviant" (there's that word again) could mean that he thinks imperialism is a deviant strain in American policy, rather than that American imperialism is deviant in the world.

taxwonk 11-20-2007 11:38 AM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Love his scrappy looks and fuck-you attitude (he hates Bush but so do 3/4 of my friends), but would someone please explain to me how it's cool that Penn, an American enjoying life as one in San Fran (or somewhere near there) approves of, visits, gets chummy with whatever, someone just quoted as saying "God willing, with the fall of the dollar, the deviant U.S. imperialism will fall as soon as possible, too." (Chavez after a 2 hour meeting with Ahmadinejad - I guess that explains the "God Willing" stuff). Presumably Penn doesn't think only "U.S. imperialist parts of the country" will fall and the others will remain intact, so why is he running amok being interviewed and saying how swell Chavez is and how awesome the Argentinian Constitution is (which he claims to have read 3 times and hearts). I guess it's okay for Americans to support international leaders set on economically collapsing America. Or is it?
Yes, he has some crazy political beliefs, and a lot of what he espouses is just plain wrong. But you have to give credit to a guy who doesn't just piss and moan about the shitty situation down in NOLA, but goes down there, gets a boat, and starts pitching in.

futbol fan 11-20-2007 03:47 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
international leaders set on economically collapsing America.
This is the second time today I have seen "collapse" used as a verb. The other person who used it was Mitt Romney. Is this a conservative thing or does everyone use this now?

Secret_Agent_Man 11-20-2007 04:51 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ironweed
This is the second time today I have seen "collapse" used as a verb. The other person who used it was Mitt Romney. Is this a conservative thing or does everyone use this now?
I have thought of "collapse" as potentially a noun or verb for a long time. Not sure that's one of the new ones.

S_A_M

taxwonk 11-20-2007 05:23 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ironweed
This is the second time today I have seen "collapse" used as a verb. The other person who used it was Mitt Romney. Is this a conservative thing or does everyone use this now?
I never heard it used as anything but a verb until the last ten years or so.

futbol fan 11-20-2007 05:28 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by taxwonk
I never heard it used as anything but a verb until the last ten years or so.
Huh. Maybe I have just never heard it used in that context before. I suppose it's common to say "he collapsed in a heap" or "she collapses under pressure" but I had not seen "they want to collapse [object/nation/ideology]" - I always thought it was "cause the collapse of" (or somesuch sort of flummery up with which I will not put).

LessinSF 11-20-2007 05:33 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by taxwonk
I never heard it used as anything but a verb until the last ten years or so.
I only think of it as a coverage grant, or excluded peril.

Less (Dork!) inSF

LessinSF 11-20-2007 05:36 PM
The 2nd Amendment Lives!
 
maybe - http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/uncateg...e-on-gun-case/ - maybe not, but here comes the debate we have all been waiting for:

“Whether the following provisions — D.C. Code secs. 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02 — violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other firearms for private use in their homes?”

Spanky 11-20-2007 07:51 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Love his scrappy looks and fuck-you attitude (he hates Bush but so do 3/4 of my friends), but would someone please explain to me how it's cool that Penn, an American enjoying life as one in San Fran (or somewhere near there) approves of, visits, gets chummy with whatever, someone just quoted as saying "God willing, with the fall of the dollar, the deviant U.S. imperialism will fall as soon as possible, too." (Chavez after a 2 hour meeting with Ahmadinejad - I guess that explains the "God Willing" stuff). Presumably Penn doesn't think only "U.S. imperialist parts of the country" will fall and the others will remain intact, so why is he running amok being interviewed and saying how swell Chavez is and how awesome the Argentinian Constitution is (which he claims to have read 3 times and hearts). I guess it's okay for Americans to support international leaders set on economically collapsing America. Or is it?

Politically the guy is off his rocker. But he is one hell of an actor. He should have gotten an oscar for his part in Carlito's Way. I would definitely put him in the top five. Actually, he helps the Republicans a lot. Just like Ann Coulter helps the Democrats. When she went after the 9-11 Widows, there isn't enough money in the world to pay for that kind of negative publicity. Stupid extremeists just help the other side. Provide quotes for fundraisers.

SlaveNoMore 11-20-2007 08:42 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
ironweed
This is the second time today I have seen "collapse" used as a verb. The other person who used it was Mitt Romney. Is this a conservative thing or does everyone use this now?
"The hopes and dreams of thousands of Celtic fans worldwide collapsed earlier this month as SL Benfica ...."

It's not really that hard.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-20-2007 10:43 PM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"The hopes and dreams of thousands of Celtic fans worldwide collapsed earlier this month as SL Benfica ...."

It's not really that hard.
Now that's just mean.

SlaveNoMore 11-21-2007 12:23 AM
A la Mode
 
Quote:
Tyrone Slothrop
Now that's just mean.
No. Mean is pointing out Werder is below the median

sebastian_dangerfield 11-21-2007 12:32 AM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ironweed
Huh. Maybe I have just never heard it used in that context before. I suppose it's common to say "he collapsed in a heap" or "she collapses under pressure" but I had not seen "they want to collapse [object/nation/ideology]" - I always thought it was "cause the collapse of" (or somesuch sort of flummery up with which I will not put).
I've heard it in business contexts, as a synonym for dissolving. "Let's just collapse the thing." But other than that, I'm with you.

ltl/fb 11-21-2007 12:34 AM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ironweed
Huh. Maybe I have just never heard it used in that context before. I suppose it's common to say "he collapsed in a heap" or "she collapses under pressure" but I had not seen "they want to collapse [object/nation/ideology]" - I always thought it was "cause the collapse of" (or somesuch sort of flummery up with which I will not put).
I think it's that it's normally an intransitive verb, not a transitive one, and freaky Rs are trying to make it all transitive and shit.

Hank Chinaski 11-21-2007 12:51 AM
Sean Penn - Into the Wild?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think it's that it's normally an intransitive verb, not a transitive one, and freaky Rs are trying to make it all transitive and shit.
see a doctor. soon. seriously. we're all worried.


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