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Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 10:02 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No cevice?
If life gives me lemons, and I already have ceviche, I say "fuck making lemonade" and just eat the ceviche.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-03-2007 11:12 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If life gives me lemons, and I already have ceviche, I say "fuck making lemonade" and just eat the ceviche.
Can you make ceviche with lemonade?

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 11:19 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Can you make ceviche with lemonade?
I would tend to doubt it. In my world, that's what restaurants are for.

LessinSF 05-04-2007 05:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

Why no one's brought a mail fraud charge yet I still can't figure out. I guess all the prosecutors figure its best not to piss on the firms they may have to work for if their political careers don;t work out...

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/05/01/...billing-abuse/

We've all done it and those of us still practicing will still do so.
It is only an issue if a client is disgruntled. And, mostly, bar complaints relate to solo or small practicioners. Big firms work it out with their clients.

That said, maybe it is because I do insurance law complete with their billing guidelines and outside monitoring agencies (and the implicitly accepted ruses that get around them), billing a client my full time if I choose to work for them instead of sleeping while traveling for another client does not keep me on flights.

ETA: Slave wrote that - I, instead, would sleep on the flight for the benefit of client A, and work in the hotel room later that night rather than sleeping for the benefit of client B, so that I violated nothing. I am concientious that way.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-04-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by LessinSF
It is only an issue if a client is disgruntled. And, mostly, bar complaints relate to solo or small practicioners. Big firms work it out with their clients.

That said, maybe it is because I do insurance law complete with their billing guidelines and outside monitoring agencies (and the implicitly accepted ruses that get around them), billing a client my full time if I choose to work for them instead of sleeping while traveling for another client does not keep me on flights.

ETA: Slave wrote that - I, instead, would sleep on the flight for the benefit of client A, and work in the hotel room later that night rather than sleeping for the benefit of client B, so that I violated nothing. I am concientious that way.
The client's not disgruntled if the client can't find the fraud. If you apply the ".2 here, .3 there" rule you can hide 20 hours a month easily. Doesn't sound like a ton, but those little $60 increments here and there add up.

My favorite is the frivolous motion practice gig... If you need a 15-20 hours, just refuse to turn something over in discovery and come up with some semi-legitimate basis for doing so. The other side will flip out an send letters you'll have to reply to and then file a motion against you. Its best to do this with cases as far from the office as possible, to maximize travel time. Motion court's a blast. You get to sit around and read the paper, then argue, then drive back, listening to tunes and making a few phone calls. Kills a whole day and gets you out from behind the desk.

Another favorite is asking for tax returns in discovery. You can always say you need them to substantiate damages claims. Nobody turns them over without some motion practice.

Hank Chinaski 05-04-2007 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The client's not disgruntled if the client can't find the fraud. If you apply the ".2 here, .3 there" rule you can hide 20 hours a month easily. Doesn't sound like a ton, but those little $60 increments here and there add up.

My favorite is the frivolous motion practice gig... If you need a 15-20 hours, just refuse to turn something over in discovery and come up with some semi-legitimate basis for doing so. The other side will flip out an send letters you'll have to reply to and then file a motion against you. Its best to do this with cases as far from the office as possible, to maximize travel time. Motion court's a blast. You get to sit around and read the paper, then argue, then drive back, listening to tunes and making a few phone calls. Kills a whole day and gets you out from behind the desk.

Another favorite is asking for tax returns in discovery. You can always say you need them to substantiate damages claims. Nobody turns them over without some motion practice.
Thank goodness you didn't go to dental school.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-04-2007 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Thank goodness you didn't go to dental school.
POTD.

taxwonk 05-04-2007 10:31 AM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Can you make ceviche with lemonade?
I've always made it with limes, and that's the wy I've seen every recipe do it. But I suppose lemons would work. Personally, if life hands me lemons, I push life to the ground, teat the lemons in haalf with my bare hands, and squeeze the lemon juice in Life's eye. That'll show it. Little crying bitch.

Replaced_Texan 05-04-2007 10:47 AM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I've always made it with limes, and that's the wy I've seen every recipe do it. But I suppose lemons would work. Personally, if life hands me lemons, I push life to the ground, teat the lemons in haalf with my bare hands, and squeeze the lemon juice in Life's eye. That'll show it. Little crying bitch.
There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago about a restaurant in Mexico City that uses tangerines. I'm curious.

ETA: Present for you, Wonk. I don't trust 'em. I think the experiment needs to be repeated.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-04-2007 11:03 AM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I've always made it with limes, and that's the wy I've seen every recipe do it. But I suppose lemons would work. Personally, if life hands me lemons, I push life to the ground, teat the lemons in haalf with my bare hands, and squeeze the lemon juice in Life's eye. That'll show it. Little crying bitch.
I've fought the Life, and the Life tends to win.

taxwonk 05-04-2007 12:19 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago about a restaurant in Mexico City that uses tangerines. I'm curious.

ETA: Present for you, Wonk. I don't trust 'em. I think the experiment needs to be repeated.
I agree wholeheartedly. Although I applaud their scientific and aesthetic discipline:

Quote:

A martini is also not a martini without vermouth. What is a cocktail but a blend of disparate elements into a harmonious new whole?

taxwonk 05-04-2007 12:28 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I've fought the Life, and the Life tends to win.
Perhaps in the long run. But I'm here to tell you two things: battles can be won with life, and Ain't no fucking way Seagram's or Tanqueray beat out Hendrick's or Sapphire.

captain marvelous 05-04-2007 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

Why no one's brought a mail fraud charge yet I still can't figure out. I guess all the prosecutors figure its best not to piss on the firms they may have to work for if their political careers don;t work out...

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/05/01/...billing-abuse/

We've all done it and those of us still practicing will still do so.

I agree with the poster who wrote:

"Your profession is complete scum. This practice is RAMPANT among law firms throughout this country.
Scum.
Scum.
Scum."

The level of conservative hatred on this board just backs that conclusion up.

Hank Chinaski 05-04-2007 01:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captain marvelous
I agree with the poster who wrote:

"Your profession is complete scum. This practice is RAMPANT among law firms throughout this country.
Scum.
Scum.
Scum."

The level of conservative hatred on this board just backs that conclusion up.
2. That is why i was so impressed when Bill Clinton made the brave decision to give up his law license.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 05-04-2007 01:09 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Perhaps in the long run. But I'm here to tell you two things: battles can be won with life, and Ain't no fucking way Seagram's or Tanqueray beat out Hendrick's or Sapphire.
Sapphire is overrated. But then, I like Tanqueray 10 in a martini (with a twist), so what do I know.


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