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What it means to be a conservative today
 

If I understand Billmore correctly, I think he's saying that, with hindsight, it was a misstake, but that, at the time, it was a defendable choice. At least that's what I believe. You seem to want a perfectly executed war and have an emotional reaction to the fact that it didn't go perfectly, probably because you believe the planning was poor, which it probably was.

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I can't figure out whom you're trying to insult here. No offense.

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I feel like Jon Stewart dealing with Tucker Carlson. You'll take that as a compliment, I'm sure.

What it means to be a conservative today
 

This is fine if it was hindsight for everyone. But it wasn't.
It was only hindsight for a very small minority. A minority that lacks even a minute amount of prescience.

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Are you saying that the Gores are social conservatives?

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The difference is that Dem Social conservatives are not as shrill and don't view themselves as having a duty to inflict their beliefs on others. If you want to see just how scary things may get in the coming years if W gets re-elected, read this morning's Times OpEd from the Bishop of Denver. He's effectively telling Catholics, and Evangelical Christians, that they have a duty to vote in line withChurch Doctrine and to work to impose their values on the larger populous. Yes, I recognize that people have been doing that for a long time, but that its accpetbale to demand such action in the paper of record for the country is scary. In 40 years, we've gone from the Country beeing vigilant to make sure Rome did not dictate to JFK to a country where its accpeted and acceptable for the Church to baldly admit its trying to inflict its policies on a secular government.

Am I too Chicken Littleish here or is this shit as scary as it seems?

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Is God an essential part of any afterlife? Is there a treatise on this or something?

I'm a "believer", but I don't see why you think sd has admitted that he believes in God if he admits he will be afraid of what happens to him after he dies.

No one can prove there is or isn't an afterlife -- or if there is, what it is like, and I don't think that believing there could be some form of existence after death is a de facto admission that there is a God.

Why are you so threatened by the fact that someone does not believe in God?

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All across the nation's big cities Dems are going into Church's where Reverands are telling their congregations they have to vote Democrat. You're in a swing state- put on an "urban format" radio station. Al Sharpton is on the airwaves at every commercial break telling people they had better vote for Kerry or they'll likely lose everything they have.

So what is the difference?

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In 1988, Tipper certainly was viewed as one thanks to the parental advisory thingy (PMRC? something like that) she and Jim Baker's wife started.

Al was, too. For a while, he supported the constitutional amendment route to overturning Roe v. Wade. And he was regarded as a Cold War hawk (of the the military reform variety -- Midgetman versus MX, etc.), for that matter.

What it means to be a conservative today
 

Of course it wasn't, that's why it is a mistake. But it is a defendable mistake. There are other mistakes that are not defendable, but this isn't one of them.

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Don't you remember the whole Ice-T thing and how he called her out in the song: "Fuck Tipper Gore, Bush and his cripple bitch"

Another reason that Sebby shouldn't vote for Bush. Spree: Rolling Stone article.

ETA Bulletin:

BULLETIN
KERRY WINS GONZO ENDORSMENT; DR. THOMPSON JOINS DEMOCRAT IN CALLING BUSH "THE SYPHILLIS PRESIDENT"
"Four more years of George Bush will be like four more years of syphilis," the famed author said yesterday at a hastily called press conference near his home in Woody Creek, Colorado. "Only a fool or a sucker would vote for a dangerous loser like Bush," Dr. Thompson warned. "He hates everything we stand for, and he knows we will vote against him in November."

Thompson, long known for the eerie accuracy of his political instincts, went on to denounce Ralph Nader as "a worthless Judas Goat with no moral compass."

"I endorsed John Kerry a long time ago," he said, "and I will do everything in my power, short of roaming the streets with a meat hammer, to help him be the next President of the United States."

Selling Out Israel
 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

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Oh sweetie, let me put this in pretty picture for you.

There is
1.) an affirmative belief (conviction) in God (or Gods, or a higher power, or the Mountain);
2.) an affirmative belief that there is not a God etc.; and
3.) anything in-between.

So, for starters, I'm not threatened by the "fact" that someone does not believe in God. How did you come away from this daylong discussion with this impression? Your final question is the equivalent of me asking why you hate black people (i.e., huh?).

As to your first question, if you can set out any (i.e, any) explanation for a fear that is not based on judgement, punishment, pain or something along those lines, than have at it. Last I checked, Sebby was backpedaling away from that position, and I'm not sure he wants to sacrifice you as his rear guard. No matter, y'all find a better word to describe his "concern" about what happens, and I'm all ears. Meantime, I've answered his question about why people feel they can impose morality on others. If this (imposing morality on others to, e.g., enfranchise others) weren't a fundamental part of human history, defenseless people like blacks and women would still be traded on auction blocks and prohibited from voting with the enfranchised white men. How could we do this to southern slaveholders? How could we do this to wife beaters and Mormons? And why are you arguing that we shouldn't have?

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