LawTalkers - Fashion Board--Penske . . . forever!

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
On page 174, Friedman is describing a flight he took on Southwest Airlines from Baltimore to Hartford, Connecticut...

I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins.

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.

This would be a small thing were it not for the overall pattern. Thomas Friedman does not get these things right even by accident. It's not that he occasionally screws up and fails to make his metaphors and images agree.

It is OK to make criticisms, but only if you can come up with specific examples to support your criticisms. Otherwise you are just name calling. That is exactly what this review is: random name calling appropriate for a twelve year old. Out of all the blanket statements this guy makes the only specific criticism is the one he makes above. The reviewer avers that you can't say "herded onto an airplane" and then "hunt for a space in the overhead bin" because that is mixing metaphors and images. Really. Friedman never said riding on Southwest was like being a herd animal - (although that would have been correct) - so there is no metaphor here and therefore no mixing metaphors. As for mixed images, he just used the verb "herded” and used the verb "to hunt. There are no images here, just descriptive verbs. The only image "hunting for a bin" brings to my mind is well....hunting for a bin. There are no images to mix, and if there were, is it such a crime to mix them?

That is the best example he can come up with to support an endless barrage of unsubstantiated criticisms? He says it may seem a small thing - well then why didn't he use another example that is not a small thing? Why is this the only example?

Please tell me I misinterpreted this post and you were really showing this review to show how pathetic the reviewer is.

I have a lot of criticisms of Friedman but this review is pathetic.

Flinty_McFlint

08-30-2006 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
It is OK to make criticisms, but only if you can come up with specific examples to support your criticisms. Otherwise you are just name calling. That is exactly what this review is: random name calling appropriate for a twelve year old. Out of all the blanket statements this guy makes the only specific criticism is the one he makes above. The reviewer avers that you can't say "herded onto an airplane" and then "hunt for a space in the overhead bin" because that is mixing metaphors and images. Really. Friedman never said riding on Southwest was like being a herd animal - (although that would have been correct) - so there is no metaphor here and therefore no mixing metaphors. As for mixed images, he just used the verb "herded” and used the verb "to hunt. There are no images here, just descriptive verbs. The only image "hunting for a bin" brings to my mind is well....hunting for a bin. There are no images to mix, and if there were, is it such a crime to mix them?

That is the best example he can come up with to support an endless barrage of unsubstantiated criticisms?

Please tell me I misinterpreted this post and you were really showing this review to show how pathetic the reviewer is.

I have a lot of criticisms of Friedman but this review is pathetic.

I thought you were active/knowledgeable about politics.

ltl/fb

08-30-2006 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
This is not helpful.

Snipe?

robustpuppy

08-30-2006 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Sparklehorse
Does that work for other cooking smells like fish, garlic, or onion?

Yes. It doesn't totally eliminate, but it helps a lot -- so much so that I can really tell the difference when I (oh, who amy I kidding, my husband) forgets this little trick. Cooking odors never bothered me in my old house because the kitchen was set back, but in my new house the stove is quite near the stairway and odors travel right up the stairs to the bedroom and linger. I place the vinegar bowl between the stove and the stairway and it's amazing.

By the way, I hate the stupid kitchen design that puts the sink underneath the window on an exterior wall but the range on an interior wall such that the vent is nearly useless.

Replaced_Texan

08-30-2006 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
It is OK to make criticisms, but only if you can come up with specific examples to support your criticisms. Otherwise you are just name calling. That is exactly what this review is: random name calling appropriate for a twelve year old. Out of all the blanket statements this guy makes the only specific criticism is the one he makes above. The reviewer avers that you can't say "herded onto an airplane" and then "hunt for a space in the overhead bin" because that is mixing metaphors and images. Really. Friedman never said riding on Southwest was like being a herd animal - (although that would have been correct) - so there is no metaphor here and therefore no mixing metaphors. As for mixed images, he just used the verb "herded” and used the verb "to hunt. There are no images here, just descriptive verbs. The only image "hunting for a bin" brings to my mind is well....hunting for a bin. There are no images to mix, and if there were, is it such a crime to mix them?

That is the best example he can come up with to support an endless barrage of unsubstantiated criticisms? He says it may seem a small thing - well then why didn't he use another example? Why is this the only example?

Please tell me I misinterpreted this post and you were really showing this review to show how pathetic the reviewer is.

I have a lot of criticisms of Friedman but this review is pathetic.

I'm still right about the Cinnabon though.

Flinty_McFlint

08-30-2006 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Snipe?

It means to swoop in at the last second and outbid someone on ebay--like a sniper, long range, unexpected kill shot.

Hank Chinaski

08-30-2006 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy

By the way, I hate the stupid kitchen design that puts the sink underneath the window on an exterior wall but the range on an interior wall such that the vent is nearly useless.

in most men's stores the tall suits are on the lower racks and the short on the upper racks. NWTF?

Spanky

08-30-2006 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Sebby has a new gig?

Don't insult Sebby like this. His rants are infinitely more logical and discerning (and substantiated) than the pathetic review in question.

Tyrone Slothrop

08-30-2006 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
It is OK to make criticisms, but only if you can come up with specific examples to support your criticisms. Otherwise you are just name calling. That is exactly what this review is: random name calling appropriate for a twelve year old. Out of all the blanket statements this guy makes the only specific criticism is the one he makes above. The reviewer avers that you can't say "herded onto an airplane" and then "hunt for a space in the overhead bin" because that is mixing metaphors and images. Really. Friedman never said riding on Southwest was like being a herd animal - (although that would have been correct) - so there is no metaphor here and therefore no mixing metaphors. As for mixed images, he just used the verb "herded” and used the verb "to hunt. There are no images here, just descriptive verbs. The only image "hunting for a bin" brings to my mind is well....hunting for a bin. There are no images to mix, and if there were, is it such a crime to mix them?

That is the best example he can come up with to support an endless barrage of unsubstantiated criticisms? He says it may seem a small thing - well then why didn't he use another example that is not a small thing? Why is this the only example?

Please tell me I misinterpreted this post and you were really showing this review to show how pathetic the reviewer is.

I have a lot of criticisms of Friedman but this review is pathetic.

I'm sorry you didn't like it.

Flinty_McFlint

08-30-2006 02:18 PM

What I had for Breakfast Today

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
in most men's stores the tall suits are on the lower racks and the short on the upper racks. NWTF?

I like your avatar. Makes you look younger.

Replaced_Texan

08-30-2006 02:19 PM

What I had for Breakfast Today

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Yes. It doesn't totally eliminate, but it helps a lot -- so much so that I can really tell the difference when I (oh, who amy I kidding, my husband) forgets this little trick. Cooking odors never bothered me in my old house because the kitchen was set back, but in my new house the stove is quite near the stairway and odors travel right up the stairs to the bedroom and linger. I place the vinegar bowl between the stove and the stairway and it's amazing.

By the way, I hate the stupid kitchen design that puts the sink underneath the window on an exterior wall but the range on an interior wall such that the vent is nearly useless.

My mother's kitchen is designed so one cannot stand at the sink while the dishwasher is open, meaning you have to rinse off the plates, move aside, open the dishwasher, reach over the door and put the plates inside.

Flinty_McFlint

08-30-2006 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm sorry you didn't like it.

Man, the west coast has really made you soft.

Shape Shifter

08-30-2006 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Ok, people, it's crunch time. If you haven't already figured it out, somewhere, in a dark, cramped, windowless room, Penske is planning his next k-race snipe. We have an opportunity here to send a message, one with far-reaching consequences. For the next 15 mins or so, I expect every active poster to post as much as possible. Shotgun approach. Follow the lead of some other posters and turn off that internal filter. Just post utter crap.

We need more Belgrade BImbo.

Shape Shifter

08-30-2006 02:22 PM

Weather

It is still not raining.

Flinty_McFlint

08-30-2006 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
We need more Belgrade BImbo.

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