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Not Bob 06-28-2007 09:39 AM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It may be creepy, if you're too young or drug-addled to remember how life was before 1985. It is not interference with free speech, since it applies only to broadcasters using spectrum they get from the government.
AoN, I kinda miss the editorials (and equal time responses) that the local tee-vee news showed in the 1970s. The anchor would look into the camera (from a different angle, so you knew that it was an editorial, and not the news) and smoothly explain why the new overpass was necessary for economic development. Then Paul Harvey would come on.

A couple of weeks later, some landowner would nervously stammer about sacred private property and how the county shouldn't be able to take a parcel of his planned subdivision to build a road to a shopping center owned by cronies of the county commission.

Gattigap 06-28-2007 11:20 AM

Stuck a feather in his cap and called it Macaroni.
 
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Originally posted by Not Bob
Oh, come on. Do you mean to suggest that because nature created the radio spectrum, government has no power to regulate/sell the right to use it? So much for charging money to see Old Faithful, eh?

Actually, Hank's No-Regulation-of-Nature argument is all part of his master plan to justify the legal taking and declaration of the Glorious Independent Nation of Greater Detroit Metroplex Area.

He and his followers will anticipate a bloody Ruby Ridge-style finale, which only increases their surprise when the federal and state government replies, "Whew! Thanks."

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2007 11:49 AM

Shocking and Unexpected Development: Fox Champions Free Speech! News at 10.
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's most broadcast radio.

2. Forcing the same station that enjoys huge ad revenue from running Limbaugh and his ilk to run Franken is idiotic. If the left could garner an audience, it would have a hold on the airwaves.

In the case, the left and "public interest" are indistinguishable. That most Republicans don't care about the public interest depends on what you define as the public interest. Given that "moving target" nature of the things to be manipulated and effected by the sort of interference Feinstein advocates, it's wise to never engage in it again.

Like I said. Let the liberals build their own stations. They can use union labor.
While I have some doubts about the Fairness Doctrine from a free speech perspective, as well as some doubts about its effectiveness in even achieving its stated goal, I am willing to overcome those doubts sufficiently to have a protracted debate in which Rupert Murdoch spends million of dollars attempting to buy every available member of Congress on either side of the aisle.

In other words, I'm willing to set aside my prinicples to order a hit on Fox, for the sheer entertainment value of it. Watching the hypocrites dance sounds like a good time.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 11:53 AM

  • GQ: Is there anybody else other than the president who can tell the vice president to shut the hell up?

    Dan Bartlett: Maybe the editor of the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

link

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2007 12:15 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
AoN, I kinda miss the editorials (and equal time responses) that the local tee-vee news showed in the 1970s. The anchor would look into the camera (from a different angle, so you knew that it was an editorial, and not the news) and smoothly explain why the new overpass was necessary for economic development. Then Paul Harvey would come on.

A couple of weeks later, some landowner would nervously stammer about sacred private property and how the county shouldn't be able to take a parcel of his planned subdivision to build a road to a shopping center owned by cronies of the county commission.
I miss those, too. Now, the debates are thought of as entertainment to be marketed rather than serious discussions to be held: thus is born the Ann Coulter's of the world.

Have you noticed how all the people who complain about giving equal time also complain about the liberal media?

I sense they've asked Hank to do the math again.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 12:24 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I miss those, too. Now, the debates are thought of as entertainment to be marketed rather than serious discussions to be held: thus is born the Ann Coulter's of the world.

Have you noticed how all the people who complain about giving equal time also complain about the liberal media?

I sense they've asked Hank to do the math again.
isn't the point of the fairness doctrine that each outlet has to present both viewpoints? like Fox/Rush with their big numbers would have to take time to allow Kerry or Kuchinich or whoever to suggest we just trust the UN, and 100,000,000 people will be harmed. CBS having to take time out from their document creation news stories, to report that islamists are actually out to kill us will only expose a tenth of that to the truth.

It's the economic impact that bugs me. people might be unhappy or tired of being in a war, but they still know your side is full of shit.

Shape Shifter 06-28-2007 12:25 PM

New Board Rules
 
Hank is a faggot.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2007 12:25 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
isn't the point of the fairness doctrine that each outlet has to present both viewpoints? like Fox/Rush with their big numbers would have to take time to allow Kerry or Kuchinich or whoever to suggest we just trust the UN, and 100,000,000 people will be harmed. CBS having to take time out from their document creation news stories, to report that islamists are actually out to kill us will only expose a tenth of that to the truth.
So you do admit conservatives control the media?

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 12:26 PM

New Board Rules
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Hank is a faggot.
yes. heap the gay stuff on me. and jokes about someone being too thoughtful and smart- nerdishly smart- put those on shapey.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 12:27 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So you do admit conservatives control the media?
counting by outlets, or thinking listeners?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2007 12:27 PM

New Board Rules
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Hank is a faggot.
Congratulations, Hank!

It sounds like you finally found someone.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 12:30 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Have you noticed how all the people who complain about giving equal time also complain about the liberal media?
Most people who complain about the liberal media don't really believe it. It's a club, not an idea.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 12:42 PM

Your GOP.
 
  • Here are some of the highlights from GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio's mammoth survey of Republicans.

    ...the party’s social/cultural wing remains about the same size, while the economic wing has “shrunk by nearly two thirds.” Replacing those Republicans have been national security and defense voters. Free marketeers, per Fabrizio, comprise about 8 percent of the GOP electorate. They’re skeptical of government action, largely male, baby-boomerish, less frequent church-goers, and they’re not moralists. Fabrizio believes that these voters comprise Fred Thompson’s strongest voting block.

    Then there are the Bush hawks – 20 percent of the Republican party, again, mostly males, they love Bush, they believe in the quest to spread democracy overseas, and many are new to the GOP.

    The opposite, in some ways, of the Bush hawks are what Fabrizio’s taxonomy calls the “Fortress America” crowd, or what we used to refer to as the Buchanan Brigades. 8 percent of the party, they’re protectionist, anti-illegal immigration, and want to end the war in Iraq. They ain’t Bushies. Fabrizio says that nearly 50% of these voters hail from the south.

    Then there’s one of John McCain’s strongest groups – the “Gov Knows Best GOPers”. They’re focused on “social” issues (as opposed to “cultural” issues). They’re lifelong GOPers and believe that government can and should intervene to solve social and environmental problems. They tend to have a libertarian streak and many aren’t comfortable with sky-high defense spending. [Do these two sentences not make any sense next to each other? -- T.S.] This group is disproportionately female and coastal in geography.

    The moralists are the largest chunk of the party – 24% in Fabrizio’s reckoning. In many ways, the media uses this group as a synecdoche for the entire GOP base. The moralists are strongly partisan, they’re very conservative, they have a lower average income than the rest of the party, mostly female and have the highest share of homemakers.

link

SlaveNoMore 06-28-2007 01:08 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Tyrone Slothrop
Most people who complain about the liberal media don't really believe it. It's a club, not an idea.
and Dan Rather claimed the memo was "fake, but accurate"

Not Bob 06-28-2007 01:22 PM

Scattered pictures.
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
and Dan Rather claimed the memo was "fake, but accurate"
Which may well be true. (Heck, Clifford Irving's autobiography of Howard Hughes was probably accurate as well.) But it still shouldn't have been on the news without being properly vetted, and it wasn't properly vetted with any skepticism because it fit within the theory of the CBS people involved that Bush was a draft-dodging frat-boy child of priviledge. I'm with you on that one.

But the New York Times's dogged pursuit of what turned out to be nothing in the whole Whitewater deal demonstrates that the media as a whole probably has more of a "gotcha!" bias than a liberal one.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 01:29 PM

Is this more or less troubling than Frist's thing with cats?
  • Before beginning the drive, Mitt Romney put Seamus, the family's hulking Irish setter, in a dog carrier and attached it to the station wagon's roof rack. He'd built a windshield for the carrier, to make the ride more comfortable for the dog.

    [snip]

    As the oldest son, Tagg Romney commandeered the way-back of the wagon, keeping his eyes fixed out the rear window, where he glimpsed the first sign of trouble. ''Dad!'' he yelled. ''Gross!'' A brown liquid was dripping down the back window, payback from an Irish setter who'd been riding on the roof in the wind for hours.

    As the rest of the boys joined in the howls of disgust, Romney coolly pulled off the highway and into a service station. There, he borrowed a hose, washed down Seamus and the car, then hopped back onto the highway.

link

How on Earth could you do that to your dog?

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 01:30 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
and Dan Rather claimed the memo was "fake, but accurate"
So if I can find something dumb that Brit Hume has said, I can prove that the media is conservative? Thanks, but I'll pass -- it's not worth the human suffering.

SlaveNoMore 06-28-2007 01:44 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Tyrone Slothrop
So if I can find something dumb that Brit Hume has said, I can prove that the media is conservative? Thanks, but I'll pass -- it's not worth the human suffering.
If you can find me one example where Brit Hume tried to pass off a forged document as real - during the lead story on a national television (not cable) network news program, and then repeatedly lie about it - I'll buy you lunch and eat my hat.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 01:53 PM

Scattered pictures.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
the New York Times's dogged pursuit of what turned out to be nothing in the whole Whitewater deal
nothing? surely a man who knows not to compliment a waitress' hair lest he get in hot water, must recognize that indictments are not required for something to be "something."

Not Bob 06-28-2007 02:14 PM

Scattered pictures.
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
nothing? surely a man who knows not to compliment a waitresses hair lest he get in hot water, must recognize that indictments are not required for something to be "something."
What was the "something" involving Bill in Whitewater?

Shape Shifter 06-28-2007 02:15 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If you can find me one example where Brit Hume tried to pass off a forged document as real - during the lead story on a national television (not cable) network news program, and then repeatedly lie about it - I'll buy you lunch and eat my hat.

Your president is the one that really needs to be held to account for passing off forged documents as real. As far as Hume goes:


  • HUME: Coalition forces meanwhile, have found further weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But at least one news organization seems unable to accept it, even in a story that reports that such weapons have been found. Agence French Press [Agence France-Presse], after saying, quote, "Terrorist groups were seeking to acquire the warheads containing mustard or sarin gas, which Polish troops recently discovered in Iraq," reports several paragraphs later, quote, that "No weapons of mass destruction have yet been found in Iraq, seriously undermining," says the quote, "what was the central argument for going to war."


http://mediamatters.org/items/200407080007

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 02:17 PM

Scattered pictures.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
What was the "something" involving Bill in Whitewater?
will you take the red pill, or the blue?


http://www.jeremiahproject.com/proph...ntbodycnt.html

Shape Shifter 06-28-2007 02:19 PM

Scattered pictures.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
will you take the red pill, or the blue?


http://www.jeremiahproject.com/proph...ntbodycnt.html
Where does penske find the time?

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 02:20 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Your president .........
this says all anyone ever needs to know about you, but at least you are honest (if unintentionally so). The rest of the "let the UN worry about it" crowd here won't admit they are not really for america anymore.

Shape Shifter 06-28-2007 02:27 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
this says all anyone ever needs to know about you, but at least you are honest (if unintentionally so). The rest of the "let the UN worry about it" crowd here won't admit they are not really for america anymore.
Look, you obviously don't know anything about intelligence work, lady. It's an X-K-Red-27 technique.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 02:32 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If you can find me one example where Brit Hume tried to pass off a forged document as real - during the lead story on a national television (not cable) network news program, and then repeatedly lie about it - I'll buy you lunch and eat my hat.
If I could somehow convince you that Henry Ford has an ownership interest in the Detroit Lions, it wouldn't follow that the National Football League is in the grip of an environmentalist cabal.

Gattigap 06-28-2007 02:32 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Your president is the one that really needs to be held to account for passing off forged documents as real. As far as Hume goes:


  • HUME: Coalition forces meanwhile, have found further weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But at least one news organization seems unable to accept it, even in a story that reports that such weapons have been found. Agence French Press [Agence France-Presse], after saying, quote, "Terrorist groups were seeking to acquire the warheads containing mustard or sarin gas, which Polish troops recently discovered in Iraq," reports several paragraphs later, quote, that "No weapons of mass destruction have yet been found in Iraq, seriously undermining," says the quote, "what was the central argument for going to war."


http://mediamatters.org/items/200407080007
Fedora? Ballcap? Beanie?

Not Bob 06-28-2007 02:33 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
will you take the red pill, or the blue?


http://www.jeremiahproject.com/proph...ntbodycnt.html
Why do I bother?

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 02:38 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
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Originally posted by Not Bob
Why do I bother?
the problem is I won't bother. if you don't recognize enough clear tarnishment stuck to Hillary from Whitewater- even with the better witnesses dying just prior to testifying- there is no point.

ltl/fb 06-28-2007 02:40 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the problem is I won't bother. if you don't recognize enough clear tarnishment stuck to Hillary from Whitewater- even with the better witnesses dying just prior to testifying- there is no point.
Clear . . . tarnish . . . ment?

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 02:46 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if you don't recognize enough clear tarnishment stuck to Hillary from Whitewater
Actually, that was Not Bob's point.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 02:48 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Clear . . . tarnish . . . ment?
Add it to the list.

Replaced_Texan 06-28-2007 02:52 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Look, you obviously don't know anything about intelligence work, lady. It's an X-K-Red-27 technique.
I love that movie.

ltl/fb 06-28-2007 02:53 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Add it to the list.
TARNISHMENT ISN'T A WORD!

SlaveNoMore 06-28-2007 03:00 PM

Misty water-colored memories.
 
Quote:

Tyrone Slothrop
If I could somehow convince you that Henry Ford has an ownership interest in the Detroit Lions, it wouldn't follow that the National Football League is in the grip of an environmentalist cabal.
In other words, you'll be buying your own lunch and I won't be eating my hat.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 03:05 PM

John Maynard Keynes was right about lunches.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
In other words, you'll be buying your own lunch and I won't be eating my hat.
Since I already told you that I wasn't planning to look through Brit Hume's ouevre, that's a pretty safe bet.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2007 03:18 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
TARNISHMENT ISN'T A WORD!
so. the word is fake, but accurate.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2007 03:35 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
so. the word is fake, but accurate.
w p, p

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2007 03:39 PM

No game left
 
So Bush's immigration bill failed, and he couldn't even get 1/3 of the Rs to support it.

Does he have any political capital left?

Secret_Agent_Man 06-28-2007 04:47 PM

No game left
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So Bush's immigration bill failed, and he couldn't even get 1/3 of the Rs to support it.

Does he have any political capital left?
Not much to speak of. Their game now continues to be trying to further erode the Dems political capital before the election.

S_A_M


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