So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

At the time of the constitution, militia referred to the entire military establishment, and by extension the entire eligible population. States and then towns were alloted soldiers they needed to produce, and they produced them. They usually brought their own guns, because there wasn't much of a government gun budget. But, literally, every male citizen could be called on by his peers to report for duty, and everyone expected to spend some significant time fighting. Remember, this was a country that had seen very little peace over the prior two generations.

By the way, "state" isn't meant as "a state" in the second amendment, but refers to "the state". I can't enlighten you much on Miller; I know a reasonable amount about the military, but really haven't paid much attention to the jurisprudential discussion on this issue. The debates are usually dominated by crazies who already have their mind made up.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

And this current discussion is no exception.

Club, the word you want is "jibe" not "jive." I now think the glean/gleam was just a after-the-fact justification and dtb actually won that bet.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

You need to get laid. Actually ass-fucked.

That is not an offer.

smoke & mirrors
 

I don't have a real concern. I stated earlier my problem with it is merely moral. If you have the kind of cash that makes the estate tax an issue, you aren't worried about it. I don't have that cash, so I don't have to worrry about it either. And if I someday do, I probably will let an accountant worrry about it for me.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

Cluuuuuuuuuuub. You been lurkin' on the FB again?

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

Not recently. Was that the topic today?

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

Whatever made you connect me with ass-fucking? Or were you viewing it as something that would be a demeaning punishment?

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

I realize that. I just think that applying the 2nd to the several states is not as easy as some of the other amendments.

The 2nd amendment, at the time it was written, was a prohibition on the federal government's ability to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. Ty suggests that at the time the states were "regulating" the militias and, as such, the the limits on the 2nd amendment must be viewed with reference to the state laws. Fine and dandy.

No apply the 2nd amendment to the states. How does that work? Aren't the States now prohibited from infringing on the right to bear arms? In other words, do not the States essentially step in the shoes of the fed for this purpose.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

Because a normal lay wouldn't be enough to loosen you up. You need something a little saucier.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

Probably true. Sounds like you've been thinking about it a lot.

Plus, it would cure the hiccups and hangover.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

Gential Herpes.

To the happiness of everyone involved, it will disappear.

Yet, in the end, the sore always comes back.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

So you hate her because she gave you herpes? Nifty twist.

Re: your avatar. Looks like you let the fur grow in for the holidays. Interesting. I do now have a better understanding of why you do the total body shave.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

None of this makes sense to me, and I don't think it relates much to what I was trying to say.

My point was not about the limits or extent of state authority. My point is that though you seem to think that by "militia" the framers were refering to whatever unruly mob might show up on the spur of the moment to protect the commonweal, and that the framers meant to ensure that these villagers had not only torches and pitchforks but guns as well, in point of fact the colonial militias were organized affairs that were "regulated" by state law requiring, e.g., regular muster and things of that sort. Colonial militias looked more like today's National Guard than you seem to think. And if you don't believe me, read Miller.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

POTY (-PB)*

* and no offense to the subject of the post, it's just this was a nice composition.

So There are Just 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights?
 

Two more syllables and it would have been a double haiku.