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Adder 07-26-2022 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 533353)
As someone who has been cited in the press as an unnamed former high ranking party official, let me say, indict him, convict him, show the world laws apply to everyone.

This is not just about Trump himself, but about re-establishing the rule of law.

I am not now nor have I ever been a high ranking party official, and Sebby might be right that they are more calculating than I, but 2.

Hank Chinaski 07-26-2022 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 533354)
I am not now nor have I ever been a high ranking party official, but Sebby might be right that they are more calculating than I, but 2.

Do you mean "and Sebby," because then I get you 2ing GGG. The "but" is confusing me as to what you meant.

Adder 07-26-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533355)
Do you mean "and Sebby," because then I get you 2ing GGG. The "but" is confusing me as to what you meant.

What are you talking about, crazy old man?? :D

Tyrone Slothrop 07-27-2022 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 533356)
What are you talking about, crazy old man?? :D

I could use this as a response to Sebby's Amazon posts.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-28-2022 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533357)
I could use this as a response to Sebby's Amazon posts.

Yeah, this could be used to respond to just about any post on the board by any male poster. I'd propose detente, here, and suspend all hostilities relating to labeling posters "crazy old men"

sebastian_dangerfield 07-28-2022 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 533353)
As someone who has been cited in the press as an unnamed former high ranking party official, let me say, indict him, convict him, show the world laws apply to everyone.

This is not just about Trump himself, but about re-establishing the rule of law.

I can go either way on the first point. Indicting him may be worth it, but why at Fed level? Do it in GA and avoid the appearance of DOJ martyring him.

On second point, "the rule of law" has always struck me as a funny concept. I mean, I get what you're saying. But take apart what we call "rule of law" in this country.

Our laws have historically been created in favor the powerful and propertied. And they're created by the powerful and propertied.

And people don't follow them just because they're laws. They follow them because the govt has a monopoly/license on the use of violence. The govt can fine or jail you or worse if you violate them.

So if you really break it down, the rule of law is the rule of power. The laws aren't much of anything. They're a mix of good ideas and bad ones (rules enacted by the powerful to protect themselves, often to control and subjugate the weak). It's their enforcement mechanisms - power to harm and punish - that are important.

I'd say the "rule of law" here is the "rule of power with some guardrails."

sebastian_dangerfield 07-28-2022 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533357)
I could use this as a response to Sebby's Amazon posts.

I had a response to your last post, but it became so Byzantine I gave up halfway through it. My only general point would be we need to emphasize the avoidance of anti-competitive acts over the strict definition of monopoly.

I also think WalMart and Amazon are unique markets unto themselves that exert monopsony power in different sectors. But yes, that does cut against the idea of a monopsony.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-28-2022 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 533360)
I had a response to your last post, but it became so Byzantine I gave up halfway through it. My only general point would be we need to emphasize the avoidance of anti-competitive acts over the strict definition of monopoly.

You can emphasize whatever you want, but monopoly is about who a player *is* -- do they have, say, >50% share in a relevant market -- and anti-competitive acts are about what a player *does* -- are they, for example, fixing prices.

You keep throwing out those terms as if you haven't really thought about what they mean, which is a dangerous thing to do when you are sparring with someone like Adder who has practiced antitrust law for so long that his child calls him Herbert Hovenkamp for yuks.

I'm still waiting to hear from you where you think Amazon is a monopolist, other than, perhaps, in book sales. Perhaps. If you want to talk about markets in books, I'm here for that, but that doesn't seem to be where you are going.

Since you don't seem to be able to stick with the idea that Amazon is a monopolist, you've turned to tossing out the term "anti-competitive acts." The one thing you've particularly mentioned is that Amazon takes information about what third-parties are selling on its platform and uses it to also sell on its platform. Why is that anticompetitive? Do you really think sellers don't know about it? eBay, in particular, has been trying to persuade sellers to use it over Amazon for that reason for something like a decade. Doesn't that suggest there is robust platform competition? How do you think platforms compete with other platforms.

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I also think WalMart and Amazon are unique markets unto themselves that exert monopsony power in different sectors. But yes, that does cut against the idea of a monopsony.
In tech antitrust, defining the relevant market is often the whole game. I think you are using "monopsony" as a synonym for "big", and objecting to anyone with enough scale that they can set terms to suppliers. Unless they are the only show in town, it's not a problem for consumers -- they get cheap prices from the big guys and buy other stuff elsewhere. I'm sure you do that all the time.

Hank Chinaski 07-29-2022 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533361)
You can emphasize whatever you want, but monopoly is about who a player *is* --
Since you don't seem

in patent law one can be their own lexicographer. Maybe sebby is defining monopoly his way in an IP sense?

PS I hate Amazon and have left unhinged threatening rants on its attorneys voicemail.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-30-2022 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533362)
in patent law one can be their own lexicographer. Maybe sebby is defining monopoly his way in an IP sense?

PS I hate Amazon and have left unhinged threatening rants on its attorneys voicemail.

I hate Ted Cruz but he is not a monopoly.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-01-2022 12:37 PM

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I hate Ted Cruz but he is not a monopoly.

Ted Cruz has cornered the market on Cancun jokes.

Replaced_Texan 08-03-2022 05:55 PM

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Watching the Alex Jones "lawyers accidentally emailed his entire phone to the other side" drama unfold in real time was an utter and complete delight.

The joy from the knowledge that the fallout could be lasting for months/years to come is almost at the level of the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference.

Hank Chinaski 08-03-2022 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 533365)
Watching the Alex Jones "lawyers accidentally emailed his entire phone to the other side" drama unfold in real time was an utter and complete delight.

The joy from the knowledge that the fallout could be lasting for months/years to come is almost at the level of the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference.

From the news reports I am not sure his lawyers screwed up? The texts seem like something that should be produced, and once in open court ain’t no confidentiality, at least in my line.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-04-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533366)
From the news reports I am not sure his lawyers screwed up? The texts seem like something that should be produced, and once in open court ain’t no confidentiality, at least in my line.

You know this stuff better than I do, but might the screw up be in not contesting that some of the texts are privileged or the like? Yes, it does seem like the lawyer may have been complying with discovery despite his client, but maybe went a bit far in the disclosure?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-04-2022 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 533365)
Watching the Alex Jones "lawyers accidentally emailed his entire phone to the other side" drama unfold in real time was an utter and complete delight.

The joy from the knowledge that the fallout could be lasting for months/years to come is almost at the level of the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference.

I love the judge. Someone suggested she was not just doing great work as a judge, but also as a kindergarten teacher. And it is really true.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-04-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 533367)
You know this stuff better than I do, but might the screw up be in not contesting that some of the texts are privileged or the like? Yes, it does seem like the lawyer may have been complying with discovery despite his client, but maybe went a bit far in the disclosure?

Should be able to claw back any privileged texts.

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 533369)
Should be able to claw back any privileged texts.

I can't imagine the guy talking to lawyers though. He just seems to do/say whatever without thinking.

Replaced_Texan 08-04-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533366)
From the news reports I am not sure his lawyers screwed up? The texts seem like something that should be produced, and once in open court ain’t no confidentiality, at least in my line.

I have to think in the data of his ENTIRE PHONE there are some communications that are not relevant to this litigation and/or privileged.

LessinSF 08-04-2022 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 533369)
Should be able to claw back any privileged texts.

There were clearly privileged texts, which would be clawbackable in California, but I don't know about Texas. But the attorney said something about getting it 12 days ago, and 10 days having passed, so he could now use them, which suggests Jones' attorneys failed to ask for them back.

However, it also sounds like some of the texts were discoverable, such as the one about how much money Infowars made in a day, but Jones had refused to comply with discovery requests. That why he was given the ultimate discovery sanction, defaulted, and this is just a prove-up hearing.

Icky Thump 08-04-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 533372)
There were clearly privileged texts, which would be clawbackable in California, but I don't know about Texas. But the attorney said something about getting it 12 days ago, and 10 days having passed, so he could now use them, which suggests Jones' attorneys failed to ask for them back.

However, it also sounds like some of the texts were discoverable, such as the one about how much money Infowars made in a day, but Jones had refused to comply with discovery requests. That why he was given the ultimate discovery sanction, defaulted, and this is just a prove-up hearing.

https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/...sdNoj_yK34aQCg

And people want to know why the Secret Service deleted every message on every phone

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-04-2022 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 533371)
I have to think in the data of his ENTIRE PHONE there are some communications that are not relevant to this litigation and/or privileged.

I don't know, I suspect a lot of them can be used to show he is a liar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZ3ySoMNYQ

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2022 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 533371)
I have to think in the data of his ENTIRE PHONE there are some communications that are not relevant to this litigation and/or privileged.

I stand corrected.

To what end was he denying Sandy Hook? The media is trying to pump up reasons to take away guns?

Replaced_Texan 08-05-2022 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 533372)
There were clearly privileged texts, which would be clawbackable in California, but I don't know about Texas. But the attorney said something about getting it 12 days ago, and 10 days having passed, so he could now use them, which suggests Jones' attorneys failed to ask for them back.

However, it also sounds like some of the texts were discoverable, such as the one about how much money Infowars made in a day, but Jones had refused to comply with discovery requests. That why he was given the ultimate discovery sanction, defaulted, and this is just a prove-up hearing.

It's TRCP 193.3(d)

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(d) Privilege not waived by production. A party who produces material or information without intending to waive a claim of privilege does not waive that claim under these rules or the Rules of Evidence if - within ten days or a shorter time ordered by the court, after the producing party actually discovers that such production was made - the producing party amends the response, identifying the material or information produced and stating the privilege asserted. If the producing party thus amends the response to assert a privilege, any party who has obtained the specific material or information must promptly return the specified material or information and any copies pending any ruling by the court denying the privilege.

LessinSF 08-05-2022 03:38 PM

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So his attorneys fucked up twice. I didn't think anyone could be stupider than their client, but I was wrong.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-05-2022 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533375)
To what end was he denying Sandy Hook?

Why does the scorpion sting the frog?

Replaced_Texan 08-05-2022 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533375)
I stand corrected.

To what end was he denying Sandy Hook? The media is trying to pump up reasons to take away guns?

They were first graders. A whole room full of dead first graders. If there was ever an appetite to make real, lasting gun reform from a single incident, Sandy Hook should have been it. From what I understand if a single photo from the crime scene had come out, gun nuts would be lucky to have bb guns afterwards. It was that horrific.

So the usual shit started coming out, teachers should have been armed, was the mom's fault, no one could have possibly predicted, blah, blah, blah.

But they needed more to squelch ANY appetite for reform. So they started saying it wasn't real, kids never existed, parents were in it for the money. I'm sure their boogeyman George Soros came up.

Anyhow, see Ty above, Jones being Jones, couldn't resist fanning the flames, because it was consistent with what he wanted AND it was on brand of media lying to you / I'm just asking questions / I heard from a guy who heard from a pelican who ate a fish whose sister was caught by a guy three towns over that a kid once was absent from the elementary school two days before and lied about being sick so obviously the whole thing was made up. I'm sure his numbers people saw the ratings went up when he blathered on about it, so he kept on and on and on, stirring up shit.

Hank Chinaski 08-05-2022 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533378)
Why does the scorpion sting the frog?

Why did Slave fuck Paigow? Stinger was itchy.

Hank Chinaski 08-05-2022 11:10 PM

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So Shape Shifter, I believe the last I heard he was ill. That was maybe a decade ago? Anyone remember his name? Any idea of current status?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-09-2022 01:40 PM

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What if the search warrant was about retrieving government documents, and once retrieved there is nothing more to investigate or litigate?

LessinSF 08-09-2022 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533382)
What if the search warrant was about retrieving government documents, and once retrieved there is nothing more to investigate or litigate?

Or, what if, being legally inside the safe pursuant to search warrant, they find evidence of crimes other than the theft of government records? Bingo, bango, bongo!!

Tyrone Slothrop 08-11-2022 01:33 PM

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What happened to Scott Adams?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ5JfrsW...g&name=900x900

Pretty Little Flower 08-11-2022 01:57 PM

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Not sure, but if I were the government and/or the FBI, I’d be pretty fucking worried about Phase Two, and about exactly how the man who so blandly skewered middle-management culture in a supremely nerdy daily comic strip is going to right the wrongs of the Mar-a-Lago search. You’ve been warned!!!! All options are on the table? This guy means fucking BUSINESS!

Replaced_Texan 08-11-2022 04:09 PM

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I get it dude. I had to wait half an hour for the Garland statement. It's an outrage.

Pretty Little Flower 08-11-2022 11:01 PM

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I get it dude. I had to wait half an hour for the Garland statement. It's an outrage.

I would NOT want to be the the FBI when Dogbert weighs in with his caustic commentary!!!

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-12-2022 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 533387)
I would NOT want to be the the FBI when Dogbert weighs in with his caustic commentary!!!

Oh man. He really hates Mondays.

Pretty Little Flower 08-12-2022 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 533388)
Oh man. He really hates Mondays.

Does Dogbert hate Mondays? I know Garfield sure does. But you know what Garfield loves? Lasagna. When I think back on my Garfield-reading days, sometimes I wonder why it is that the fact that Garfield loves lasagna is so funny that the entire plot of some 60-70% of the Garfield cartoons that I read back then is that Garfield loves lasagna. But those were simpler times, when it was universally acknowledged that a lasagna-eating cat was endlessly hilarious, and when it would have been unusual for someone to become so mad about the fact that the FBI took back classified nuclear documents stolen by an ex-president and kept in an unsecure location, that they would try to storm an FBI office alone and then commit suicide-by-cop.

Simpler times ….

Icky Thump 08-12-2022 08:03 PM

If you had five boxes of top secret documents
 
On your scavenger hunt list, you won.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...core-ios-share

sebastian_dangerfield 08-12-2022 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533382)
What if the search warrant was about retrieving government documents, and once retrieved there is nothing more to investigate or litigate?

I had the same thought. But then if they don’t charge, Trump declares himself an innocent victim of DOJ.

Maybe Garland doesn’t care. Perhaps in a politically impossible spot he just figured it’s most important to get the stuff out of Trump’s hands.

sebastian_dangerfield 08-12-2022 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 533383)
Or, what if, being legally inside the safe pursuant to search warrant, they find evidence of crimes other than the theft of government records? Bingo, bango, bongo!!

Put him on trial and the cold civil war will get worse. He needs to be shot with a dart that gives him a heart attack by the CIA.

Pretty Little Flower 08-12-2022 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 533392)
Put him on trial and the cold civil war will get worse. He needs to be shot with a dart that gives him a heart attack by the CIA.

You just made Dilbert’s shit-list. I don’t think Phase 2 is going to go well for you.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...7Ctwgr%5Etweet


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